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To those able to edit this page, please, put the translation of “Haitian Revolution” first in Haitian Kreole, and then in French, for Toussaint’s sake… Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4|2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4|talk]]) 17:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC) |
To those able to edit this page, please, put the translation of “Haitian Revolution” first in Haitian Kreole, and then in French, for Toussaint’s sake… Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4|2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4|talk]]) 17:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Polish Legions == |
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The current article seems to take a very "generous" interpretation of the sympathy of the Polish Legions and the scope of their contributions towards the Haitian cause. While it is true that some small fraction did switch sides, largely towards the very end of the conflict, suggesting as the article does that "'''many''' Polish soldiers admired their opponents, to eventually turn on the French army and join the Haitian slaves. Polish soldiers participated in the Haitian revolution of 1804..." seems to be overstating the issue and feeding the myth. By and large the Legion remained loyal to the French command, even if many may have privately strongly questioned the cause of the expedition. |
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For a counterpoint, see the review of "Jan Pachonski and Reuel K. Wilson, Poland's Caribbean Tragedy: A Study of Polish Legions in the Haitian War of Independence 1802-1803" which speaks to this point, noting that only about 150 of the 5200 ever switched sides, and some likely as a way to avoid imprisonment or death rather than for ideological reasons. |
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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/038.html |
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Suggest revising accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/159.18.26.96|159.18.26.96]] ([[User talk:159.18.26.96|talk]]) 17:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC) |
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"Massacre of the French"
Should be renamed "massacre of the whites". French weren't the only whites massacred, Spanish, British and Dutch civilians present on the island were also massacred. Only a few Polish defectors were spared.
Modern Political lingo really shouldn't be in the article
At the bottom of the 5th paragraph at this part of the article - "Onset of the revolution" - it says this:
The same month, a coalition of whites and conservative free blacks and forces under French commissaire nationale Edmond de Saint-Léger put down the Trou Coffy uprising in the south
Why not just say "free blacks" and remove "conservative" from it? I checked the sources and did not see any of them use the word "conservative" either, so this comes across as original research. 2600:1700:1EC1:30C0:59FB:8F7E:ABE0:381C (talk)
There is also this further down the article, it reads like something a 5th grader would write:
One of the French columns was commanded by General Donatien de Rochambeau, a proud white supremacist and a supporter of slavery who detested the Haitians for wanting to be free. 2600:1700:1EC1:30C0:59FB:8F7E:ABE0:381C (talk)
Haitian Revolution in Literature
Lydia Bailey (1947), a novel by Kenneth Roberts provides a fictionalized depiction of the French invasion by LeClerc and the battle at Crete a Pierrot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.99.247.23 (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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1) Under the heading "Spanish depart Saint Domingue" it says "Toussaint, for reasons that remain obscure, suddenly joined the French..." But under the heading "Toussaint Louverture" it says "...Louverture decided to fight for the French if they would agree to free all the slaves" and "...after the Spanish refused to take steps to end slavery".
2) "He began to rule the country as an effectively autonomous entity" would be better expressed as "effectively as an autonomous entity".
3) Under the heading "Haitian resistance and scorched-earth tactics", "while waiting for the rainy reason" should be "season".
4) Under "Crête-à-Pierrot fortress" in the fragment "believing all blacks to be stupid and cowardly, and furthermore, that it was shortages...", the word "that" should be removed as it implies "believing that", which is not the point.
5) Under "Capture of Toussaint" it should read "with the most probable explanation being..."
6) Under "War between France and Britain", in "On 28 June, the squadron encountered", "squadron" needs qualification. "a French naval force" and before that "Royal Navy squadrons" have been mentioned. Would it be "Duckworth's squadron"?
7) Under "Post Revolution Era": Suggestion: "...created a different kind of two-caste society. Most Haitians were rural subsistence farmers, but the affranchi élite continued to rule Haiti with the protection of the formidable Haitian army." 203.63.100.119 (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Translation in Haitian Kreole and French
To those able to edit this page, please, put the translation of “Haitian Revolution” first in Haitian Kreole, and then in French, for Toussaint’s sake… Thank you very much. 2804:14D:5CD0:BC2F:ED56:ABEB:9EF2:7FA4 (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Polish Legions
The current article seems to take a very "generous" interpretation of the sympathy of the Polish Legions and the scope of their contributions towards the Haitian cause. While it is true that some small fraction did switch sides, largely towards the very end of the conflict, suggesting as the article does that "many Polish soldiers admired their opponents, to eventually turn on the French army and join the Haitian slaves. Polish soldiers participated in the Haitian revolution of 1804..." seems to be overstating the issue and feeding the myth. By and large the Legion remained loyal to the French command, even if many may have privately strongly questioned the cause of the expedition.
For a counterpoint, see the review of "Jan Pachonski and Reuel K. Wilson, Poland's Caribbean Tragedy: A Study of Polish Legions in the Haitian War of Independence 1802-1803" which speaks to this point, noting that only about 150 of the 5200 ever switched sides, and some likely as a way to avoid imprisonment or death rather than for ideological reasons.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/038.html
Suggest revising accordingly. 159.18.26.96 (talk) 17:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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