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Delete THIS toy picture

Karrmann, if you must persist in removing model car pictures, please remove the one on Dodge Charger (B-body). I would ask you as a courtesy, and in a spirit of positive feelings to cease and desist targeting MY edits for removal if you would like me to reserve the same courtesy for your edits. Thank you and have a really nice day. I'll pray for you too that you will someday edit for the forces of nice people. --matador300 21:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I know that you love to show off all your little toys Wiarthurhu, but Wikipedia isn't the place. Karrmann 00:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

That may be just what we need to get him blocked again.

Will you please knock it off with the blocking threats. The goal of WP is to build up a terrific encyclopedia, not get people kicked out. Does anyone else agree with me, or do you all condone the actions of this misguided youth? I'm sure I'm not the only victim of this behavior, please help me help Karrmann and set up on the straight path of justice and goodness. --matador300 16:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am so evil and troublesome, then why is it YOU who got indef blocked? Karrmann 19:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Wiarthurhu

It's done. No need to post flashy signs on his talk page. Move on. --Mmx1 19:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, please stop editing pages related to the unfortunate case of Wiarthurhu. Your own behavior in this has not been exemplary and your continued editing of the RfC, Wiarthurhu's user page etc. is not helpful and could easily be construed as gloating and disruption. Please leave this alone and get on with building the encyclopedia. Thanks, Gwernol 22:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

And so do I. Don't kick the man while he's down and indef blocked. BTW, that IP address resolves to Atlanta - unless he's on the lam, I highly doubt it's him. CQJ 16:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think the IP is User:Turk71385, judging by his language style. --ApolloBoy 20:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Joey.jpg

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OrphanBot

I noticed that your bot, OrphanBot, is removing GFDL images, and tagging them under no source. Just thought I'd let you know. Visit the history of the Ford Taurus page for an example. Karrmann 19:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

OrphanBot's right to do so. The GFDL requires that the author of the image be specified on the image description page; with no author, our use of the image constitutes a copyright violation. Further, since a source isn't specified, it's impossible to tell if the image is really licensed under the GFDL, or if someone put the wrong tag on the image. --Carnildo 19:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I see. MK didn't specify the author, so thats why hes removing it. Karrmann 19:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

So why is it illegal for someone to donate an image to Wikipedia under GDFL but specify that this gift be anonymous? SteveBaker 00:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems this guy's racked up quite a rap sheet. Filter1987 05:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:SHOupeformance.jpg listed for deletion

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Image:Crapavan.jpg listed for deletion

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Vandalism

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Vandalism

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Sorry

Sorry about that telling you to to go to hell and accusing you of vandalism. Im just trying to help keep this site vandal-free. I mistook you edit as vandalism. Sorry. Tweaker4000 00:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

As I was saying, I am sorry about telling you to go to hell. I personally feel that a picture of a big fat geek much more accurately portrays a geek than one of Bill Gates. But if you would like to concider it vandalism, than I'll stop. Im not the first one to put that image on that page though. I've seen it there several other times LONG before I even added the picture. If it reappears, it's probably one of those annoying people who spam various pages with that image. Block them for vandalism not me. Thank you!

Your recent vandalism

Why have you committed vandalism, Karrmann? I thought you worked against vandalism. Did someone hack into your account maybe? --ApolloBoy 07:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Geo Metro: reply

I've looked. The best I've found is a decent-shape 1st-gen Metro with no hubcaps (which is already on the Commons), but the only 2nd-gen I've ever seen around also has multiple-colored body panels. IFCAR 02:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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Orphaned fair use image (Image:Dampervan2.JPG)

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Replaceable fair use

Image:MitsubishiEclipse.jpg

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P.S. Also Image:FordAspire.jpg and Image:Jonlovitz.jpg

"Weird Al" Yankovic FA nomination

Thank you for your support!! Also, Knuckles beats the hell out of Tails. ~ Gromreaper 09:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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Image:Tbsweetin.jpg

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Hey there.

Never noticed you were a Wikipedian, Karrmann. You should remember me. --SonicChao 00:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Penguinizer2

Despite the provocation, please don't post threats to other users. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for continuing to violate Wikipedia's image copyright and fair-use policies. Specifically, in this edit, you added an album cover, in violation of WP:FUC, to an article which contained a specific request not to add album covers for this very reason. You are welcome to resume editing once the block expires, but please refrain from any further violations of this policy. --Yamla 21:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Emma Watson

With apologies, I've deleted portions of this edit per WP:BEANS. Please let me know if (and, if so, why) you think it should stand. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This section, including your reply, has been removed; please understand, the purpose of an article's talk page is to discuss the article. The section's original poster also will get a similar notice. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Commercial failures list

Hi, Karrmann. I'm sorry to inform you but I put your article about commcercial failures up for deletion (see the discussion on the Project talk page that lead up to my decision). I recently had the article Prestige vehicles which I wrote shortly after joining WP deleted-so I really don't like AfDs. Nonetheless what constitutes a failures is an undefiniable concept; thus any article concerning failures will always suffer from OR and speculation. A List of vehicles that were unprofitable would be acceptable as profit is something you can count and measure, but a list of something as vague as "failures" can't be properly referenced. I'm sorry, Signature^brendelHAPPY HOLIDAYS 05:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Automobiles Notification

Hi Karrmann, you were on the list of members at WikiProject Automobiles and we are introducing a new way of listing members, as the old list was becoming too long. Our new method involves having all of our members in a category.

To add yourself to the category just add the userbox to your user page by putting {{Wiki Auto Project}} where you want the userbox. Alternatively if you don't like the userbox you can add [[Category:WikiProject Automobiles members|Karrmann]] to your userpage.

If you no longer wish to be a member of the project, simply don't add the userbox or category, there's no pressure. Thanks for your time, James086^{Talk | Contribs} 04:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:Phaedriel

I recognize why you removed the box in question, but it is her user page, and there is absolutely 0 confirmation that whoever made that post on the external site is the same person. I'd much prefer to let her have her privacy, as well as control of her own user page, and would greatly appreciate if you would self-revert. Thanks, —bbatsell ¿? 22:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

"Holiday Greeting"

I monitor BD's "contributions page", so I had seen his comment even though he deleted it. Maybe it's his twisted idea of humor. IFCAR 00:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

As I said on his talk page, many of his recent pictures are of good quality. If the gallery function on the Commons worked, I'd refer you to it. He also gets many of the newest cars, because I rarely photograph at dealerships. (Salesmen tend to get suspicious if I have the camera out when I'm asking for a test drive.) IFCAR 00:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

As I said on the AN page, then is then, now is now. And I'm sure they'd have no problem with me just going and taking pictures, but when I'm at a dealership I'm trying to get test-drives for car reviews, so I don't want to risk looking like a joyrider. IFCAR 01:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

ANI

I've removed your posts from the adminstrator's noticeboard. Try talking a bit more first, there doesn't appear to be a problem here that requires immediate intervention. - brenneman 02:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ford Taurus FAC

Hi, Karrmann, I just wanted to remind you of the instructions at the top of WP:FAC, since the Taurus nom was overwritten twice now, and it's hard to fix after the fact:

• If the article you are submitting has had a previous FAC nomination, use the Move button to archive the previous FAC discussion. For example, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Television → Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Television/archive1. Remember to change the old {{facfailed}} template on the talk page to {{facfailed|Television/archive1}}.

I've fixed it now, but the way I have to fix it after the fact isn't optimal - hopefully you won't have to FAC it again, but if you do, please remember to move (now to archive3) rather than just deleting and writing over the old FAC. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Images

Please use the proper template on Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 January 7/Images - {{image-cv}} (I think) not {{copyvio}}. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 17:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact, the two images you've labelled are not present at Wikipedia. They're from Wikimedia Commons, commons:Image:Taupolice92.jpg and commons:Image:Taupolice91.jpg. Please go there and label them as copyvios. Conscious 11:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Eagle Talon picture

I'm pretty sure that doesn't fall under self-taken. The image was created by whoever animated that video game. IFCAR 03:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It's an animation. Did you create the animation, or use a program that positioned someone else's animation? Unless there's a specific Wikipedia policy to the contrary, this does not seem to be a free image. IFCAR 03:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is that, if I'm understanding it right, you didn't draw the picture. The animators for the program that you used drew the car at every angle and drew every background, and you're just combining aspects of their work to make an image. If that doesn't make sense or isn't accurate, I'd ask for clarification at the Project talk page. IFCAR 03:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Going To The Detroit Auto Show

Hi, it's Bull-Doser here. I was wondering if you could go to the NAIAS this weekend? You should go and take neat pictures of cars. You should take your first '07 pictures of cars, however. By this weekend, I will be going to the Montreal auto show. -- Bull-Doser 19:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

While you go to the Detroit Auto Show, I wouldn't hafta post fair images from Car & Driver, Autoweek or Insideline.com.

PS: Please take all car pictures (especially debuts and concepts), except for the car pictures I will take in the Montreal Auto Show. While in Montreal, I will take the following vehicles listed on http://www.salonautomontreal.com/Main.asp?s=0&p=3 . -- Bull-Doser 01:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

No photo taken inside under multi-sourced light in a crowd of people will match a good photo taken outside. In every circumstance, they are place-holders until something better comes along, just as a car with brake dust is. With few exceptions, the existing images of current cars in the articles will be better than any auto show image, so again, don't go through and replace. IFCAR 01:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

As I said to him, I can't control what I see. There's no additional effort needed in taking a picture of a car for which there is an existing image, and if I think it's better, in it goes. Kind of like what you did with the Sable twice, not me, only there was a discussion about it and the existing image was kept. If you want to press the Zephyr, bring it up on its talk page. IFCAR 21:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Where Did You Get Your Name

Karrmann equals "Car Man," right? -- Bull-Doser 04:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Name of a German coachbuilder? (with an extra R) --Sable232 05:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Sable232 got it. Karrmann 11:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Rear end shots

There is no policy in Wikipedia that bans rear-end shots. There is only a convention that front-end infobox images are preferred when available. IFCAR 17:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I thought that most of the ones you uploaded came out very well for inside shots, particularly the Ford Fusion. Remember next time to give the images descriptive names, based on the subject. IFCAR 02:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Hi, Karrmann Thank you very much for the barnstary, how every kind of you! I really appreciate it! Happy editing, Signature^brendel 07:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Snow

Were you talking to me on BD's talk page? I didn't upload pictures of cars with snow on them, cars were only parked near snow. IFCAR 02:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Honda Civic overhaul

Hi, Karmann! I've read that you are working on the Honda Civic article. I want to know if and how you are going to split it, by region or generation. I suggest that, since many generations have been nearly identical everywhere, you could split it by generation, like the Volkswagen Polo article was (with Mk I, Mk II etc after the car name). Please answer in the Civic talk page. Bye! -- NaBUru38 03:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Latest photos

I'd like to start out by saying that I hope this doesn't sound harsh. It's good to have lots of users contributing photos to Wikipedia. But you MUST recognize when a previous image is superior to one that you have taken. You have replaced high-quality (or higher quality images) with fuzzier ones, ones with glare, ones with poorer angles, and ones with dirty, damaged, or non-stock cars. I'll revert the ones I think need to be reverted. There are enough that I'd recommend bringing up concerns on the project talk page rather than in each article. Keep taking pictures, but stop going through and putting in every one that you take. IFCAR 21:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Daytona, the picture was a bit fuzzy and the car was a bit dirty. Civic, the 6th-gen had aftermarket wheels and the 7th-gen had poor lighting with giant sunblots, previous Navigator wasn't criss-crossed by shadows, Impala angle wasn't as good as the previous, and the Gremlin was rusted out. Whenever you make any change to Wikipedia, you just need to consider why it is better in your version, not why it isn't worse.

I avoid BD's user page. I already know enough about him without reading what car he likes today or what browser he uses. IFCAR 23:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

If it wasn't put on by the manufacturer, it's aftermarket. Don't bother with Photoshop, see if there's something else in the Commons (I'm sure there is) and/or I'll try to beat the current photo. With the Impala, the angle doesn't show the car as well, and neither has distracting shadows. With the Gremlin, I think the advantage yours has is the 3/4 front angle, but the condition of the other car makes it a better article illustration. For the Daytona, the blue image is fuzzier and the car is scuffed up. On the silver car, I don't see headlights being up as a downside, and the washed-out section doesn't actually have any detail that is obscured except for the hood's cut-line.

BD is one to be ignored when he isn't modifying the encyclopedia. IFCAR 23:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Your Alero was filthy, and the 300 had harsh glare. Corsicas with their wheelcovers are hard to come by where I am. IFCAR 02:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:MidCity25Jan06HeartNOLAcar2.jpg

Your description of Image:MidCity25Jan06HeartNOLAcar2.jpg which you added to Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans was wildly inaccurate. It was disabled by being under flood waters, not by vandalism. It was spray painted with graffiti after the city was reopened, as one of thousands of flood trashed cars which took months to haul away from streets and neutral grounds. -- Infrogmation 23:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Mercury Sable

User:Heavy1974 recently took all the year-by-year changes and removed all the prose, so they read like lists and look like hell. What do you think? --Sable232 20:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Because the truck is filthy, and there is already an image of the two-door version. Why do you think that one is better? IFCAR 22:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Sable

I think those pictures are far better. They should not violate fair use....Pautlorius 01:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sable 2

Thanks. But I can update these image files under new copyrights. What type of copyright would i put for those specific images? :) Pautlorius 01:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

From Pautlorius

I really want to contibute n' stuff and im kind of new to wiki editing. I would appreciate your help. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pautlorius (talk • contribs) 01:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

its not a big deal. im leavin it as is, but sable 232 said he will get pictures when he test drives it. Pautlorius 02:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Images again

I hate to use this wording, but you seem to be showing no discretion when inserting your images into articles. Replacing inferior images is all well and good (and strongly encouraged) but I'm not seeing any indication that you could justify the image switches. As last time, I'm reverting where I see fit. If you continue your current course of replacement, I will bring it up on WikiProject Autos for other users to intercede. As it is, I'd like to ask that you leave a note on my (or any other Autos regular) Talk page when you have a new batch of photos on the Commons and let the impartial party insert them where they need to be. I think that's for the best, as it would save both of us a great deal of time. As always, don't stop taking pictures. But please stop replacing better images with them. IFCAR 02:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

And I apologize for putting it in the wrong place first. It's nice to know that you read my talk page, though. IFCAR 03:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

A lot of the image insertion/placement was done by you, and what wasn't you could have reverted as easily as I could have. (And more quickly.) IFCAR 03:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Bull-Doser made poor image choices, and so did you. As the photographer (and as someone who responds to suggestions) you have some responsibility for all the edits, and many of them were poor. And most of the "contradictions" between us seem to be your ignoring of the Wikiproject standards for pictures of clean cars. IFCAR 04:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Unless there is a serious problem with the picture of the clean car, there is absolutely no reason to replace it with a picture of a dirty car. As I've said before, when you replace an image you must have a convincing argument prepared for why it is better than the image that was already there. And if the new image is of a dirty car and the old image is of a clean car, that's a big hole in such an argument. IFCAR 04:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Karrmann, I bet you should use some photo-editing software to crop images, just like me & IFCAR. -- Bull-Doser 06:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I do crop my images if they need, but what does this have to do with the price of images. I don't think the cropping is what makes IFCAR think they are inferior to the previous image. Karrmann 13:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to take pictures of only clean cars. If there is no better image, a dirty car is fine. If there is already an image of a clean car, why put in a dirty one? But looking back, I can't tell whether the cars are covered in salt or just overexposed. But the Grand Am is definitely salt-coated, and the Charger and Lucerne may be. But being overexposed is just as bad when an image exists without the problem. Again, prepare a justification for each replacement. If you continue to be blind to flaws with the images, I will request intervention as I outlined above. IFCAR 14:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

No reason to replace a properly exposed picture of a clean car with any overexposed one either. Dirty or overexposed pictures can be used, but only when there is no better alternative. IFCAR 17:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Charger and Lucerne are the worst, and the 300M, Edge, Tempo, Explorer and last-gen Grand Am are up there if that isn't just salt. Also Torrent, TrailBlazer, Lumina, and last-gen Taurus seem overexposed as well. I also get the impression that the Lumina wasn't taken at eye level, as the WikiProject standards recommend. Also, you need to give the pictures descriptive names rather than "wikicars 93" or "pushthetempo". IFCAR 18:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Metro and Caprice

Both seem a rather rather brightened and fuzzy (using that description because I'm no longer sure enough in my photography lingo to call that "overexposed") but I left the Caprice because the existing image had a broken hubcap. Just remember to have an explanation for whenever you make a change (of any kind) to Wikipedia. I've said this a lot of times, but that's just because it's a key tenet, and one that should reduce reverts to near zero. There have been a number of times when I've been asked about why I was photographing cars, and there have been a number of times when I didn't photograph certain cars because there were people in or near them. Three incidents of taking photos of cars with people in them come immediately to mind (I'm sure there are more that I do and don't know about). I had one F-150 image in which there was a hand blocking a face in the passenger's seat that I saw only when I was processing the photo on the computer (when I was there in person, I never noticed an occupant). I didn't use that picture. Then there were two images where I got an angle to avoid showing the occupant who (as far as I know) had no idea their car was being photographed.

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  Woman was sleeping in the front passenger's seat
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  Workman was going in and out of the cargo area, and one of the dutch doors was opened.

Don't let the people scare you off, and don't be afraid to explain what you're doing. IFCAR 02:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Reply

I had already switched back some (Impala and Camry come immediately to mind, there might have been another). Could you explain why you thought your edits improved the article? (I've said this countless times, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears.) IFCAR 00:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Both the Camry and the Impala are covered with distracting reflections, the Camry image redundantly replaces the only pre-facelift image (which has no reflections and an uncluttered background), and the SC is fuzzier and has shadows running across it. IFCAR 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call any of it "small stuff." IFCAR 00:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Bull-Doser

I can only guess what was going through your head when you wrote this tirade of profane abuse. And I sincerely hope you've calmed down. Because unless I see an apology/retraction on BD's talk page fairly shortly (and I'm not talking about merely deleting or striking out your comments), I'm taking this further. In the meantime, I'm going to start compiling a list of your most offensive diffs in case it's required. --DeLarge 17:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

honda civic

You seem a little miffed with the civic article. Might I suggest this magic voodoo link where your work will be appreciated and you can make money for your efforts. I tried a month or so ago to actually site sources and clean up non fair use images on the page but to no avail. At least my first gen section isn't too chewed up by idiot IPs. I started feeling wikipedia was a sinking ship a while back and now I'm certain. Andman8 19:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)