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I am requesting a name change to Joy. --Shallot 12:16, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This page is now archived. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, Joy!

Happy New Year!

Joy,
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Waard

Thanks for fixing this! I tried various variations of "something" "nl" "something else" "Waard" "end something" but missed the right one, and gave up and copied the URL - just, unfortunately, picked the wrong tab to find the URL! PamD 12:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

No worries :) --Joy (talk) 14:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Honeymoon Lane

Thanks for your RM comment. You're right that the non-existence of the musical article doesn't make the film WP:PT, but so easy to create the musical stub I did so. but really shouldn't have to. These kind of moves are exactly what WP:PT exists to prevent. Thanks again. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi In general, I often observe WP:PTOPIC not being applied judiciously, I seem to see so many proposals where folks are overzealous in trying to short-circuit navigation, even when we have no real reason to think that the average reader is having trouble with less trivial navigation methods. Maybe we'll need to make an effort to temper the text of the guideline in order to clarify that. --Joy (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Grand Principality of Serbia

See the discussion and initiative at Talk:Grand Principality of Serbia#Wp:Undue by Filigranski. Also, please, warn Theonewithreason to stop calling me Crovata. That's not in good faith. Thanks Miki Filigranski (talk) 10:30, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Smiljan (given name)

I note you reverted my edit on Smilja. In the "see also" there is a link to Smiljan (given name) which (as we do not have an article for it) redirects to the disambiguation page Smiljan. This is about places rather than peoples names.— Rod ^talk 18:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. If a link to the dab page is the best option then this should be formatted per WP:INTDAB (ading (disambiguation) to the link otherwise it will still show up in the lists of links which need to be disambiguated and someone else will come along and do what I did.— Rod ^talk 19:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

You could do [[Smiljan (disambiguation)|Smiljan (given name)]] which would take them to the same place, with no extra text for the reader. If there was a page at Smiljan (given name) obviously this wouldn't be needed, so it might be better just to create that.— Rod ^talk 20:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Maël

Hello, I tried to answer your questions at Talk:Maël#Requested_move_5_February_2023. Thanks, 121.127.212.32 (talk) 13:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

User talk:SapientiaLinguistica

The editor continues to make disruptive WP:POINT edits ([1]) and personal attacks on me and scientists ([2]). Please warn first the editor to stop doing it, if not, in the next 24h don't have a choice but to report them to the admin's noticeboard. Miki Filigranski (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

A disruptive editor

Hello,

Could you keep an eye on 91.148.81.82, as he continues to vandalize both History of Croatia and List of 2022 FIFA World Cup controversies by removing well referenced claims. Thanks.

Franjo Tahy (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Opinion on 25 kuna coin as "rarely used" in infobox

Hi Joy, since I am familiar with your work on articles about Croatian currencies (and you probably with mine aswell), I would like to hear your opinion on something: What do you think about the infobox in article about the Croatian kuna mentioning the 25 kuna coin as "rarely used"? The question seems at first very simple and something that could without any doubt be answered with "yes", since it was indeed legal tender and you could have paid with them. However, in fact it was never used for any non-numismatics related purposes and I would go even so far to claim that it was not even really created as a coin for everyday payment.

Bez obzira na osobna iskustva (WP:NOR), smatraš li da ima smisla spominjati prigodni numizmatički novac u infookviru?

Best regards, Koreanovsky (talk) 19:25, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Fascist as an insult Article

Came across this edit and am curious your take. Would calling someone an Ustasa count as calling them a facsit essentially? From the quick look, it seemed like the section was sourced based on the brief overview. Seems like a misunderstanding or different interpretations by various editors and ips. Thanks. OyMosby (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Dubrovnik

Joy, your edit here of reverting because the IP seemed to possibly be a banned users doesn’t make sense for justifying the counter to the reasoning behind the edit. It does seem weird to bury the fact that it is one of the historical regions as it was even though for long periods it remaind a separate state. I agree, I don’t get the distancing of its relation. I can see the MariCro user has a perennial account dedicated to this which seems soapboxing as well. Heck they even removed Croatia from the lead and said it was located Wast of the Adriatic as if it’s own country. Seems weird. Why placate them? Between that and Italian Nationalist users doing the same, it been tiring over the years. :/ Stating “historical region” by itself doesn’t make sense as historical to what? For other countries, regions are stated as being part of that country. The details left to the article. I think it works best that way. OyMosby (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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Bosnia and Herzogivna

Hello,

I saw that you changed the Bosnian language to Serbo-Croatian. May I know the reason why? WikiUserFromTheBalkans (talk) 16:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I just saw your message on my page. WikiUserFromTheBalkans (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Slavs in Lower Pannonia

Hi, I was told that creating citations without using them as references wastes resources. It also raises harv:warning messages. Also, your reversion changed Sedov|2013 to Sedov|1995, so the links no longer work. (Only the date is recognized in the template, not the orig-date, although there are work-arounds with sfnref if you don't want to see 2013 displayed.) Andy02124 (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hrvatsko kulturno vijeće

Hi Joy! A new page was created on the English wikipedia a few days ago. If you can edit it properly, see how it looks here [[3]] and this is how it looks on the Croatian wikipedia,[[4]]. I looked at the sources from the newspapers that were put there and nothing says what is written there on the page. I didn't want to touch anything, because I'm not very good at editing wikipedia. I hope you will edit that page and fix it. Greeting 78.0.115.249 (talk) 04:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Kajkavian

Hello, can you join the conversation on the Kajkavian topic [[5]] ,and here are the latest changes to the site[[6]] Thanks. 93.138.3.122 (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

List of Glagolitic manuscripts

Did you find any broken links? If so, which ones? We are in the process of moving over to permalinks and more stable URLs, so any help would be appreciated. Thank you! Ivan (talk) 16:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Renamed user Inatan They're probably not broken now, but they have no associated metadata, so if the links get broken, we get very little verifiability out of them. Please see WP:CS. --Joy (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Since you are here, would you mind filling out the {{cite web}} for the alvin-portal.org and HAZU references? Ivan (talk) 17:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

2021 population data

Hi Joy. I have HR population data → article title → Qid mapping from hrwiki and it shouldn't take me long to set up a bot to update the Croatian settlements infoboxes on here (upon approval). But one thing is confusing: Rijeka, Split, Zagreb use different sets of population_ params in their infoboxes. HR census data only contain "naselje" and "grad/općina" values. Do you think those should be population_urban and population_total of {{Infobox settlement}}? In Rijeka we now have City:108,622 and Urban:191,293, but what does the latter number represent? What do you think of this whole idea? Thnx, Ponor (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ponor Nice to hear. We should probably draft {{Croatian Census 2021}} just like we have for 2011 and 2001 so that when you do a bot change it uses a common template. Those city infoboxes are notorious for being arbitrary, I think I left some with population_urban matching the city settlement and population_total matching the total city administrative area population, and at the same time I know that there are in practice huge variations (there are cities with a handful of adjoined villages and some with 20+). We should probably leave {{efn}} explanatory footnotes in all city infoboxes whatever we put in there. --Joy (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

{{Croatian Census 2021}} is going to be a very simple one – a link to the xlsx file from my first posting that they said this time would be a permalink. I don't think there will be separate html pages with this data like before. Okay, I'll prepare everything for these two params, in which case the bot should blank the population_blank ones. Though I see it's quite a mess out there, e.g. Supetar should not have population_metro but population_total. My first run should be current data collection&analysis, I'll let you know how that goes. Ponor (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey Joy. My bot is pretty much ready. Before the nice people at WP:BOTREQ approve it, they'll probably want to see if there's enough consensus for the type of edits I want to make in 3000+ existing HR settlement articles. I've started a discussion at WikiProject Croatia. I don't know how active that community is, but please let's continue our discussion there. Thanks, Ponor (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo note

Hi Joy, I see that you've been removing the Template:Kosovo-note on a few articles, do you mind leaving the reason in the edit summary such as "per the result of the discussion" so editors can understand. Thank you Sculpordwarfprunesea (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sure. --Joy (talk) 15:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

CC of the 12th Congress

First, thank you very much for your edits. I don't know any "Yugoslav" language, so I need all the help I can get :P

Second, could you help me with two things? One very easy and more complex. First, can you scavenge the list and check if I categorised all the members by sex correctly? I find it challenging to decipher female names since I don't know the language! Last, there are eight members I can't find any birth information on, and there are 37 other individuals I can't find any information on the year of death. Some of them may be alive, but others are probably dead. I mean most people born in the 1930s or earlier are dead or dying at this point.

Of course, I understand if you have other things to do. This is Wikipedia, and you edit what one deems fun. But if you have the time, thank you in advance :) TheUzbek (talk) 08:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@TheUzbek they're not actually called "Yugoslav" languages, rather South Slavic languages :) it'll take me a while to go through the entire list. Female names can indeed be a problem esp. as there are also unisex names and in that case one has to actually check the specific person. In general, you might want to ask for this at WT:YU where there could well be people interested in helping with the topic. --Joy (talk) 08:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Pardon, meant to offence! Just my ignorance, I'll use South Slavic languages from now on :)

Aha, that makes sense! I thought, when I began editing these lists, that it would be similar to the East Slavic languages of the Soviet Union but alas I was entirely wrong!

That was a good suggestion; I'll ask there.

What surprised me regarding the LCY is 1) the lack of English language sources and 2) the apparent non-existence of digitalised LCY documents. In contrast, it is easy to stumble on CPSU documents in the internet in the Russian, Ukrainian and Byelorussian languages. Of course, the Soviet Union collapsed more peacefully and the actual war was postponed to 2022 unlike the Yugoslav wars.

Anyhow, thanks for your help :) --TheUzbek (talk) 09:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Dalmatia Historical Region

Hi Joy, hope you are doing well. There seems to be some pov pushing going on by a single purpose account. Looking at other Hisotrical Region articles like Moravia, it lists historical regions of Czechia. It doesn’t “restrict scope” as the term Historical Region literally means region that transcend modern borders. The user claims “ especially for a region which (let's be real) was part of Croatia for a relatively short time in its long history.” which is clearly pov pushing and not academically correct. I don’t think. It ignores Mediaeval history. They also proposed this edit with no consensus.

Dalmatia today is literally in Croatia. I don’t see why it controversial. Also why other Historical regions of said country also mentioned at the top like other articles.

I came to you as you undid this IP edit believing they had some agenda but they simply reinstated a version you yourself reverted to before. I could say the same about the other participant as well. I returned the original wording as it doesn’t claim Dalmatia as a Croatian exclusive land. I’m not sure why the same edit is fine now but not before as in both edits Dalmatia being one of four regions of Croatia is being buried despite today it being a region alomg with the rest.

What are your thoughts? Do you deem their version more logical and the original too Croatian nationalist pov? My concern is it seems double standard compared to the Czech historical regions articles. You had reverted them a year ago when they did the same edit and I agree it does only have a purpose of burying the lead. You were right to call it an “irredentist argument”. I agree. They will likely ince again push their version and refuse using the talk page as you originally suggested. OyMosby (talk) 22:13, 29 June 2023 (

I believe I addressed this at Talk:Dalmatia#lead section region discussion. You edited this post 9 times on my user talk, and this generated 9 email notifications to me :) please follow up over there instead of here. --Joy (talk) 10:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Nostratic

Why are you promoting this fringe theory? Its own page says it's widely rejected. If you find evidence that it is widely accepted, then please add that evidence on Nostratic languages. Then it would make sense to include Nostratic theories on other pages, such as Župa. 173.206.79.106 (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism from this user has been going on for years

Please pay attention to this user [[7]], his vandalism has been going on for years. This is the same user blocked on one year which will expire soon [[8]] but he returns again from another ip address. I hope some administrators will block him.89.172.84.249 (talk) 10:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)