Talk:Lord of the Flies

should we create a characters section?

we should create a characters section Dangervest69 (talk) 19:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2022

In the "Background" section it states, as "a jolly good show, like the Coral Island". The quote in the novel is "I know. Jolly good show. Like the Coral Island." Should be changed to "[a] jolly good show. Like the Coral Island." https://englishcreek.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/7/2/6972564/g6_lord_of_the_flies_-_770l.pdf Page 157 Fortifiedfruit (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2022

a “[j]olly good show. Like the Coral Island."

should be “[a] jolly good show. Like the Coral Island.” Fortifiedfruit (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 23:54, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted this, because that's not the quote. The quote from the book is (as pointed out by Fortifiedfruit) "I know. Jolly good show. Like the Coral Island." If we want to use this quote in a readable sense, then we have to modify it by losing the "a" and clarifying that the "j" is lower case to signify that it's now part of a sentence, not the beginning of a sentence, as it is in the original quote. This may seem trivial, but it's exactly the same level of trivia as requested to change it from "a jolly good show, like the Coral Island" to "[a] jolly good show. Like the Coral Island."

If we're going to use quotes, we have to use them correctly, and as per MOS:CONFORM although there are other intepretations, square brackets to indicate a change of capitalisation is how to do it. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2023

Per Theatricalia (https://theatricalia.com/play/yj/lord-of-the-flies/production/2wh) and the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust (https://collections.shakespeare.org.uk/search/rsc-performances/lof199508/page/15) Williams' Lord of the Flies adaptation debuted on August 3, 1995, not "in 1996". PeterJanes (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Fixed 👍 Carpimaps (talk) 11:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Themes typo satire

In Themes, suggest editing:

... makes the novel a satirical the very behavior ...

such as to:

... makes the novel a satire of the very behavior ...

174.160.168.129 (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done—Anita5192 (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The fallacy of the Tongan castaways comparison

6 friends, where the oldest is 16, is a very different social dynamic than a planeload of far more schoolmates with rivalries, where the oldest is not quite 13.

The book doesn’t say how many boys, but it was a lot more than 6. The movie adaptations have kept it down to around 30 boys for cost and logistical reasons, but my impression on reading the book was more boys than that. Maybe 50ish?

Other differences that could have affected the boys' behavior:
• The Tongan boys were not the product of Britich schools of the day, which were famous for brutality.
• The Tongan boys were not frightened by the corpse of a fighter pilot floating down onto their island on a parachute and thereafter being hideously animated by gusts of wind. The boys of Lord of the Flies were cooperative, not fighting, before they were frightened by that.

When Lord of the Flies was published in 1954, Golding had been a schoolteacher since 1935, and later a schoolmaster, except for 5 years serving in the British navy during WWII. He knew something about how boys that age behave if left to their own devices. He also knew something about warfare.

The point of the novel is that the evil that leads to war is not something out there that we can escape from or litigate into oblivion; rather, it’s an innate part of human nature. We can’t make war go away by all holding hands in a circle and singing Kumbaya.

That’s what’s important about the book, not whether boys would really behave as depicted. No matter how boys would behave, the plain fact is that war happens. Golding wanted us to understand that it’s better to confront our dark inner truth than just play pretend.

We shouldn't be surprised if the people who most hate the book are the very people who firmly believe that we can make war go away by passing laws against it or singing Kumbaya. Greg Lovern (talk) 08:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the comparison is a bit shaky. I thought the article would be more honest by referring to the Tongan castaways as "a group of 6 teenagers" rather than "a group of schoolboys", and I was going to edit the article as such, but semi-protection prevented me from doing so. 137.113.55.11 (talk) 15:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Many sections are poorly written

This page is very poorly written once you get past the plot. Feels like it needs a full overhaul. 47.20.150.228 (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Tagged for cleanup. Jahaza (talk) 17:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Some of it almost reads like it was written by a robot. 81.170.31.163 (talk) 21:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)