Talk:Counter-Strike (video game)

Archive of discussion prior to March 2006

Mirroring

I have just expanded the criticisms section with a little on the history, reasons and ramifications of "mirroring". I really ought to have a source for the bit about how Gooseman preferred to model weapons in the left hand, but I'm afraid I read it in an interview about five years ago and I just remember him saying something to that effect, so I don't. I also added another counterargument to the thing about different guns of the same calibre doing different amounts of damage (differently powered cartridges). --YourMessageHere 00:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism and Poor Reverts

Could we please take a look at what we're reverting to, I've just reverted to a copy of the article from 11 March. There's been quite a lot of vandalism and then reverts to a vandalised version since then. Make sure you're not reverting to a vandalised version. - Hahnchen 06:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering why people take off www.counter-strike.com from the links. Thanks --Marc 04:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

counter-strike.com is a website for selling Counter-Strike web servers. The official site was originally located at counter-strike.net, but has since been moved to http://storefront.steampowered.com/v2/index.php?area=game&AppId=240 (now a redirect there) —Last Avenue [talk | contributions] 05:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

someone should ban Abbynormal1, he keeps putting that site back on the article, I saw his talk page and he's had so many warnings and no one is taking the initiative. angers 23:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I should be banned for adding Counter-Strike.com to the Counter-Strike wiki? Wow. I've not had "so many warnings" I've had one, and it was about an unrelated site. That dispute was resolved. I'm an active and thorough contributor, please explain more why I should be banned, bud. Let me add that I added the external link only after giving it lots of time under Pointless Links. See below. --Abbynormal1 04:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

someone has vandalized it< how do i report? or could someone else?

Pointless Links

I Have Deleted the "INTHEHOLE" link, this is not a big Community, a lot are bigger, this is just the owning trying to get attention to his/her site --The Itchy One 10:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I almost reverted your addition of the Enemy Down league, since the consensus here is to remove any links not discussed in advance on this page. At first glance, it looks like a valid league, so I will defer to others who know the coomunity better. --Habap 12:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

As instructed below, I'm requesting a link to Counter-Strike.com be added to external links. They do sell servers (my clan has one through them), they also have a huge resource of community content. We use their forums, we use their maps sections, their strategy guides, their plugin guides, and countless other things I don't really need to list. Feel free to check it out for yourself.

FPS Banana sells Alienware computers and Samsung Mobile PC's. CS-Nation sells griffinrun.com Anyway, any argument that Counter-Strike.com is at least equal in relevent content to the others? Abbynormal1

So, if nobody disagrees with me, I'll be adding the link Wedneday, September 13th. Abbynormal1

I deleted it without checking here first. So, you can add the link back in if you'd like. But, consider that if counter-strike.com is in there, you should really add all of the major rental sites as well. There's a treasure trove of guides and troubleshooting information at http://rentals.nuclearfallout.net, for instance, and that's just one of many. Counter-strike.com is nothing particularly special -- it just has a nice domain name. -jw

Does the XcG clan and BigBudDen clan really belong on the community links section? These are clan sites, of which there are thousands. My opinion is that clan sites are not relevent for the external/community links section. Not sure though, feedback appreciated.

--Abbynormal1 03:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Correct, clan sites don't belong or else we have to list 10,000 of them. --Habap 14:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the links to "Big Bud Den Community" "Team UFH" which are clan sites. --Abbynormal1 19:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Cash for planting bomb

I have removed the part where it says that planting the bomb gives the player $1800, for that has been removed since v1.5.

When the round time expires without the bomb being successfully planted and detonating, the Counter-Terrorists win (Not applicable to Counter-Strike: Source, when the bomb is planted, the round time disappears)

That is false - since a steam update the round time disappears in CS 1.6, too.

Professional CS

This is somewhat unrelated to the Counter-Strike page, but I'm no Wikipedia expert. I just want to point out this site, Professional counter-strike. It really seems like a plain self-promotion page. Some valid tactics and tips. Other things there are plainly unconnected to anything besides the authors site. Anybody willing to clean it up? Wahming 02:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I will nominated the article for deletion. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 03:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

More Appropriate Bomb Defusal Picture

The current bomb plant picture is taken in Counter-Strike Source, I would think that a picture taken in Counter-Strike would be more appropriate. Credema 06:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Map types

I reduced the content of this section down to simply a link to Counter-Strike maps, and changed the name to "Maps". The list of maps really didn't serve a purpose in the main Counter-Strike article, as it was nothing but a bulleted list, took up space (the article was up to 38kb before I did this, and could still use a bit of whittling down), and wasn't particularly useful; not to mention that the "Commonly played unofficial maps" subsection was nothing but original research, and highly debatable original research at that (see the AfD for "Custom Counter-Strike maps"). Hargle 14:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Camper Strike

Some people know this game as Camper Strike or AS (Awper Strike). I think these two should be added.

I've never heard of it called as such...

In all my time playing Counter-Strike, I have never heard it called Awper Strike. Camper Strike has been thrown around here and there as an insult to the game but it has never been used as an "official" name for it. --Diametes T. Jackson 00:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

neither me. You can call it as you want but the official name remain "Counter-Strike" ;) --Chico75 16:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Clearly someone has a one dimensional perspective on the genre of fps; yes folks that is right not all games are like quake and unreal tournament. We can call camping "strategic positioning" in this instance, i am sure. It is not a lot of "humph humph" from bunny hopping across the map and endless run and gunning. kkthx

Skins

Do you think we should add a section on the Skins you can play as? (e.g. SAS, Phoenix Connection). If so then i'll be happy to start it.

There was a scetion on Models until two days ago. User:JimmyBlackwing removed it with this comment: removed Player models section - non-notable trivia unnecessary for this article. Do not revert without first bringing it up on talk page [1]

I think it's relevant information as indicated by your post asking whether you should add the section. --Habap 16:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

(Original Poster): Thanks for the feedback, if you still think it is relevant then i'll add it as soon as possible.

Citation Needed (TAG) Abuse

It seems like there is a citation needed tag after almost every sentence in this article. It looks like vandalism to me. As such, I feel that we should remove all the tags that are currently present, espescially considering that much of the citation needed information is easily verifiable. Shadow 16:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Added to Request for Protection list Shadow 16:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Note at the bottom of the Counter-Strike article, someone has placed a personal review of Counter-Strike Source, which most definitely is vandalism, and it should be dealt with. --Ccolling 02:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

External Link addition

Counter-Strike.com seems like a pretty obvious addition that's not currently in the external links. They are pretty well known for their community content. Forums, downloads, guides, strategy, mods...anyone disagree?

Abbynormal1 08:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've not heard anyone disagree that Counter-Strike.com belongs in the external links due to it's large amount of community content. I'm therefore requesting the protected page be edited to include the link, which I believe used to be there. The link used to be something like:

Counter-Strike.com -- Counter-Strike servers, forums, downloads, guides.

Something like that would be appropriate, imho.

If you read above you can see that an argument against that website has' been made already. Please respond to that argument if you wish the link to be included. Thanks! JesseW, the juggling janitor 18:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Most Played Online Game?

In The First Section it states that counter strike is the most played online game which is not true it is teh biggest played online computer game yes but halo 2 is most played out of all some one needs to change it to computer game

Do you have a source saying Halo 2 is the most played? --Snkcube 23:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ , Halo 2 may be the most played Xbox Live game, but it is not the most played game online. --

--Ccolling 02:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought the most played was that sucky MMORPG World of Warcraft? 85.12.80.128 12:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Description of Weapons

I deleted that section since Wikipedia is not a game guide. This content has already been deleted as an article by itself just a week ago. Now it pops up again here. *sigh* --Jestix 16:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Weapons market?

This is only a change to Counter-Strike: Source, and I don't see why it should be included here. Just as the page on Doom 1 wouldn't contain info on every update to Doom 3, this is unrelated information.

I agree, it should be removed, it relates to a successor of 1.6, but not CS 1.6 itself, so therefore it should be abolished completely from the "Counter-Strike" page --Ccolling 02:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

How many players were online just before CS was bought by Valve?

I believe it could be useful information. --fs 23:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Why would that be useful? --Habap 05:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

because it'd show what was the number of players that made valve interested in cs. --fs 17:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

100 frames per second and CounterStrike

I see CS players wanting to have a constant framerate of 100 claiming that it's most playable when that's the case. Why is this? I've never heard of other games that need this. And is that something that should be in the article? 85.19.140.9 23:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It has to do with the way the engine works, the same concept of being able to move faster and jump further with 125 FPS in quake. In CS, amongst other things, the amount of weapon recoil is linked to the framerate. -- Laurens Hoek 23:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The human eye apparently only notices a "flicker" of the light if it is less than 60hz, according to information on the Flicker fusion threshold. When you get faster than 60hz, most humans can't tell the difference. They claim they need it, but they might not even notice the difference. Since it cannot be verified that they need it or that they think they need it, we can't put that in the article. --Habap 05:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I played counter strike for the longest (about 3 years) on 20 fps max when I upgraded I got 60 (video card was locked) when I unlocked it I got 99-100 fps (so about 100fps always) I noticed that the more fps I had the faster I can to react to people and bomb ¬»vÌ®ū§«­­­­¬ 0.o 13:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Most people won't notice any difference between 60 fps and 100 fps. The amount of movement that can occur in the 0.006 second difference between when the movement would display at 100 fps and at 60 fps shouldn't be very significant. Now, if the 60 fps is not consistent (that is, when you get into a complex fight, if the fps slows down) then a peak of 100 fps would be useful. I know that in Planetside, the complexity of fights can make a gigantic difference - slowing me from 30 fps to 8 or 9 fps. I haven't played CS in long enough that I don't remember if your fps varies during a round. --Habap 15:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I remember switching from on-board graphics and dial-up in Day of Defeat to a 64MB card and cable modem. All those guys who had claimed they beat me based on skill were quite humbled by the difference when my machine and connection were as good or better than theirs and I broke even (or ruled in rare situations). So, it can make a big difference, but people arguing about 80 or 90 fps versus 100 fps are just having a pissing match. --Habap 15:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I have been playing counter strike for so long so I do notice a difference in 60 to 100 fps (fps in my option is reaction time if you have more you have more time to react to people shooting at you the fps varies on smoke nades I remember id drop to 15 fps when I only had max 20 fps (and that was just one smoke nade you bring 5 smoke nades out I am down to like 2fps I have yet to play day of defeat on my new system I might do that next time I go home (I did get almost 300fps on half life 2 in some parts) ¬»vÌ®ū§«­­­­¬ 0.o 15:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I play alot and i can see how that could make a difference, but unless you have a ping of 5 or something your ultimately gong to be held back by lag anyway. 142.167.232.67 17:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The popularity of 100FPS isn't in reference to client-side FPS, it's in reference to server side FPS, otherwise known as "tick rate". 100 tick rate is preferable to 33 or 66 tick rates because it allows for more data to be passed between client and server, improving bullet registration and more. --76.186.122.53 18:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

Shouldn't there be a section for critical reaction, criticism and other things of that nature (public opinion)?192.133.12.101 19:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Adding this: Cheating groups, such as, myg0t, JAPS, Rage-Xtreme , and 187ci, have been known to create a disturbance in the game by spamming the microphone, radio commands, or even killing the whole team in one round. This is also known as raging.

Should Admin Abuse be mentioned?  [`.Thirty Thr33]  ^(Talk)  02:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

So many n00bs, so little time.

I have decided against buying any version of Counter-Strike for one reason: the amazing amount of 6 year old noobs plaguing the game. With 1337 speak and hacks abundant, this is putting the game on the edge of no hardcore community at all outside of tournaments. Better buy? Gary's Mod 10. Awesome —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.54.65.226 (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Steamless

Has anyone ever play Steamless Counter Strike 1.6 and if so can i get the link to get it. ¬»vÌ®ū§«­­­­¬ 0.o

http://cs.rin.ru/eng/ http://baltgames.lv/v2/downloads/1/

There are some russian websites.

In-Game ads?

How come there's nothing about those annoying ads in this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.248.223.109 (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Article name

This may seem silly, but shouldn't the article name technically be Half-Life: Counter Strike? That is the official name, and the name on the box, despite whatever Steam refers to it as. DanPMK 10:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia convention is to label the article with its common name, not the formal title of it. Since most people think of Counter-Strike as a separate entity, we use that as the name of the article. --Habap 13:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

A new era of Professional Gaming

Hi, I have been asked to discuss the issue of adding a link to the “professional CS” area of the main page.

I am working with a competitive gaming company, Hit the Sticks, LLC, one that has recently launched a new website http://www.getgosu.com/?s=wiki. The website has been launched in order to recruit beta testers for a new piece of software known as gosu.exe.

The software enables individual users or clans/teams to play online tournaments both of HL2:MP and CS:S. Tournaments can be played for free (practice-play tournaments) or on a pay-to-play basis (real-money tournaments).

The initial Beta testing will not involve any real money tournaments (it is for practice/testing only). The software is free to download. If you are interested in competitive gaming, or are just a person who likes to get their hands on the latest software, please sign up for the beta.

The “major” gaming leagues that Wikipedia has deemed worthy of being represented on the main page host live (LAN) tournaments that can draw crowds of fans numbering in the thousands. Additionally, large tournaments are seen by millions of viewers via South Korean television networks and online “gaming television” interfaces that broadcast globally.

However, irrespective of the success that competitive gaming has enjoyed as a still-young sport, competitive gaming has not realized its ultimate potential. The slow maturation of the sport (competitive gaming) is due, in large part to poor business models adopted by game developers and existing tournament organizers.

Currently, professional gaming, and the growth of professional gaming is entirely dependent on corporate sponsorship.

If you are a serious gamer you should question whether tournament sponsors like CompUSA and Samsung care about professional gaming beyond trying to sell you a new computer or phone.

The sponsorship dependency is critically slowing the growth of professional gaming.

We, the professional gaming community, must build the sport ourselves. Once we have poured a foundation we can then welcome sponsorship dollars.

We will never control our own fates if we do otherwise.

The proprietary software available at http://www.getgosu.com/?s=wiki will enable the gaming community to grow on its own accord. GetGosu's business model is pay-to-play (for real-money tournaments).

A pay-to-play format will allow the professional gaming community to dictate its own future.

Sincerely,

Jordan A. Brock GetGosu 18:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

History of Counter-Strike

I think one of the main issues is the lack of reference whatsoever to the Quake mod called Navy Seals by the same developer. It is important that we discuss history in a more informative manner so we need to give credit where credit is due.

You can see for yourself in this article:

http://archive.gamespy.com/modweek/index21.shtm

I would have added this as a reference myself but after looking at the edit page it seems that I need additional help from an administrator before it can be included.

I've also changed the weapons of Counter-Strike paragraph as listing real-life weapons being an original and unique feature of CS is highly unfounded, grossly misleading and untrue. Megapaw 15:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)