Talk:Nights into Dreams

Redirect

I've redirected the badly-written "Nights into Dreams" page to here, "NiGHTS Into Dreams", which is much more comprehensive and informative. --128.243.220.41 11:43, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I believe the correct title is NiGHTS Into Dreams... with the three periods on the end. I would be bold and move it, but there would be a ton of redirects to fix. ~ Hibana 21:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

A-life

I played this game alot, but i never noticed anything about this A-life system. The only thing I know about it for sure is you could kill the little creatures accidentally, and once all were gone, they could never be placed back in the stages. --Abdull 21:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Christmas NiGHTS internal clock mods

I just edited in that the changes take affect when the Saturn's clock reaches December 1. While I'm fairly sure that's close, I don't know if that's the exact date. Unfortunately I don't have the wherewithal to dig out my Saturn and hook it up and find my copy of C-NiGHTS to verify it. Druff 22:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Air NiGHTS?

Is there any truth in the Air NiGHTS claim? Google only returns pages mirroring this content and similarly vague claims on other websites (doubtless the source for this page's claim). Could anyone provide a better source? -- ThomasWinwood 17:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

The name was given in an interview with Yuji Naka in issue of the official UK Dreamcast magazine. I believe the website Sonic Team Speaks (part of Big Smile's Sonic Site) has a transcript of the article, but I think the site has moved recently and I'm not sure of a current, reliable URL.

Don't worry, I'll add a reference to that issue of ODM soon. --Nick R 13:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Here it is. --Nick R 17:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone's Mistake

Someone put: In recent weeks, a japanese magazine (known in the gaming industry for their truthful rumors) announced that a newly independent game developer will be coming out with a new video game for the nintendo Wii. the game, in which you play as a clown-like magician flying through the sky.many people have interpretid this rumor as a new nights into dreams video game. for more information, check out http://revolution.ign.com/articles/702/702606p1.html .

It's already there! Famitsu, the most popular Japanese gaming magazine reported it. And you made a lot of typo errors.

Box Art?

Someone needs to upload box art from Japan and the U.S/Europe for NiGHTS and Christmas NiGHTS.

Removed Content

The following has been removed for not being true.

"It is heavily rumoured due to a slip at Microsoft's 'Summer of Xbox Live Arcade' event that Sega would be porting NiGHTS onto Xbox 360 via Xbox Live Arcade. The game will apparently be the first Live Arcade title to be a larger size than 64MB and therefore not able to fit on a standard Xbox 360 memory card, further cementing rumours that Microsoft will be releasing a larger sized memory card in the future. The release is also apparently scheduled for September and will include online play and achievement points; the price is as yet underdetermined but is likely to cost between 800 and 1200 MS Points. It was also mentioned that 'Christmas NiGHTS' will also be released as an expansion for the game sometime in December."

Moved "Gameplay" section

I moved the Gameplay section to the start in front of Characters, because I think it makes more sense for the article to start off with a description of what the game is like rather than starting with detailed character information. Sum0 14:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Science of Sleep

Does anyone have a picture of the supposed NiGHTS reference in The Science of Sleep? If so, it would be nice to add it to the page. I myself have not seen the film, so I do not know if this is true or not. NiGHTS into Dreams...

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I wanted to ask the same thing. Angie Y. 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I've rented this movie and watched it 3 times. Two of those times have been in slow motion on the dream parts trying to find the purple figure. I still haven't found it. I don't even know what scene to look in. Maresuke 07:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

After watching this movie many times, I have come to belive that there is no flying purple figure in this movie at all. I see no flying figures beside the main character swiming/flying in once dream. Maresuke 06:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Characters update

There are more characters in the game than just Claris and Elliot. Just wanted to let you know. I used to play this game and I am an avid fan of the game. There is also gonna be a sequel! =D Angie Y. 17:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember any major characters other than Claris, Elliot, NiGHTS and the bosses/mares/whatever. Second, no there isn't. --CCFreak2K 13:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

About the sequel, awwwww! Angie Y. 16:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

NiGHTS 2: a fake (unfortunately)

After submitting an article about the "NiGHTS 2" mentioned in the Wiki entry, someone sent me me this link: Sorry guys, guess NiGHTS 2 won't come out on Wii after all.

For the topic I wrote about this, click here.

Characters and story sections

These appear to be copied (or translated) directly from the official descriptions. Unfortunately, Wikipedia can't include direct copies of copyrighted text. The sections will have to be rewritten in encyclopaedic style. --Nick R^Talk 13:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

pink jewel case

a mention/picture of the big pink diamond shaped jewel case that the game came in in other countries would be cool

Cover Art

Should we have all the region's box art up? They aren't hard to find. Perhaps little thumbnails or something. In a neat section, especially as the art in the game is focused on a lot of the time? Ayries 14:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Character catagorizations?

I have noticed the nightmaren have been mentioned as main characters and I think it'd be more correct to have them listed differently as they are "villains" and bosses in which you fight within the game. They are villains in the comic as well. I doubt there would be any interest in the minions but that is another option. Perhaps as other Wiki topics have done is make a separate characters page. I have many images I have screen shot that could be used for this purpose.

Maresuke 07:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay, Dreams and Nightmarians

I've added short desciptions of each dream and of the nightmarians, as well as divided up the gameplay section into parts. I was thinking of using this pic - its fan made, but is pretty good and in one shot has everyone except for the kids.

I'm a member of www.scoreattack.net, so I'm actively interested in the scoring aspect of the game - can we do more for that? Is it worth going into greater detail than there already is?Gskdreamer 15:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think fanart is generally permitted on Wikipedia - I've generally only seen it in articles on characters in books that haven't been adapted for film or television, and even then I'm not sure it's appropriate. There are some issues with the images in the article at the moment (too many/too high-resolution for fair use; too big for certain sections) so I don't really want to add any more now.

Regarding the dream descriptions, most featured videogame articles don't have level lists (indeed, one was removed from the Perfect Dark article). Character lists, with or without descriptions, may edge into fancruft, so I'm not sure we should list the names and descriptions of each in-level baddy - the playable characters and bosses are enough.

The present paragraph on the scoring system goes into all the detail that's necessary for a general audience. In fact, since it's only one paragraph, it may be better to re-incorporate it back into the flow of the main "Gameplay" section rather than giving it its own subsection. --Nick R^Talk 14:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think theres an offical pic with both Elliot and Claris together. I can see want you mean about the enemies/levels descriptions; but it looks incomplete just mentioning them and the table looks a bit basic without any descriptions.Gskdreamer 15:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I have screenshots of the CGed images of all the nightmaren and nightmaren minions, no fanart, and would love to upload them, but it would be a lot of images and I think it would junk up the format of the page. Should I upload them anyhow or should we discuss a format? Perhaps group all the minions into one photo? I'm not sure how this should be done. Maresuke 17:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sega Poll

Should this be added to the NiGHTS future section. The poll is "Which SEGA game/character would you like to see return?" and as of this posting NiGHTS has 9143 votes which is 56% of all votes over Streets of Rage, Samba de Amigo, Virtua Cop, and Flicky. Sora3087 06:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it can be added once the poll is finished, that way it can be dated and have a final figure Gskdreamer 18:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll keep my eye on it then. Sora3087 08:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It would perhaps be more appropriate in the "reaction" section, as an indication of the game's popularity compared to other franchises. Sega have not suggested that the results of this informal poll will influence their decisions in future, so placing it in the "future" section would only add to the speculation already described in that section. - --Nick R^Talk 16:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Do what you will with the info this is the most recent poll info i got at 10:45pm march 15th

Which SEGA game/character would you like to see return?

Total Number of Responses: 17948

NiGHTS - 9842

55%

Streets of Rage - 4903

27%

Samba de Amigo - 1475

8%

Virtua Cop - 1167

7%

Flicky - 561

3%

Good work Sora - were any final results published? I've put it in the future section, hows that? Gskdreamer 10:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Development

Using all the Sonic Team interviews, I'm going to write a development section for Nights. Theres loads of interesting stuff about character and game design from those interviews. Any suggestions, or links to good examples? Gskdreamer 13:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Miyamoto Quote

Shigeru Miyamoto, the creater of Mario, has said that “If there is one game that I wished I had made, it would have been Nights” - urgh I cant find a reliable source for it. Any help? Gskdreamer 13:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

ONM rumour

Although I think it's right to place it here, I think the mention that they have previously published fake rumours needs a citation to make it valid, otherwise it seems pretty accusatory. 86.129.31.72 15:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Heres a thread about ONM

I've never read the mag, but I only hear bad things about it Gskdreamer 22:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I've quoted Joystiq, and you can read up more on the magazine's reliability here. JackSparrow Ninja 10:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Joystiq has responded with a response from ONM that their article is not an April fools joke and citing sources that have info that a NiGHTS game for Wii has been in development for 6 months and the poll was designed to back up their decision to resurrect NiGHTS. [Read Here] Sora3087 10:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Rumour on NiD.com- NiGHTS 2?

Considering how big the site nightsintodreams dot com is, and they've put up an update saying they know it's in production- should we mention it? Ayries 17:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems you know that website. Could you elaborate a bit more about it's reliability and/or notability? How good and reliable is their history of reports? JackSparrow Ninja 18:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'd say very reliable personally- it's not as much of a news site as most, very fan oriented, but the owner from what I know is very close with Sega and so it's plausible she would have known... I'm not sure what fan sites are worth on wikipdia though? Ayries 19:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the matter is that it is about reliability, and with sites sometimes failing this, notability is the next-big issue, such as is the case with IGN. Since a fansite, unless (often) cited by other reliable news outlets, usually fails notability, we need to know about the site's history of reliability. Could you tell a bit more about:

• How detailed and correct is the information and news reports?
• Have they reported incorrect news reports?
• Have they had exclusive news reports before?
  • How did those turn out?

JackSparrow Ninja 19:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

They have never had exclusive news reports that I've seen. You can look back in their news, but there isn't much. --Becki900 05:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The fansite is owned and maintained by a 25-year-old girl called Lynne Triplett who lives in Edinburg, Scotland. What do you mean by very close to SEGA? 151.46.40.122 23:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The reliability of the site is very questionable. Where the site has a lot of media such as box art and music and articles the website's maintainer also mixes in a lot of her own fanart and fanfiction, so much so people have confused it for real game information. She also has personal information and a personal diary on the site, it's not devoted entirely to gaming and thus really shouldn't be considered a "gaming site". --Becki900 05:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Cameos page?

Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to make a page for NiGHTS cameos? There have definitely been enough of them to justify a new page, IMO. NiGHTS into Dreams... 02:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I second it, ONLY if pictures or links to videos of proof can be provided for a few of them. That would be really nice. Maresuke 08:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll set it up then, I know I can find a good many of them. Someone REALLY needs to take a screencap of that Science of Sleep thing, though. NiGHTS into Dreams... 11:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm completely opposed to the creation of a separate page. Judging by previous articles for deletion discussions, it would be very unlikely that it would survive a nomination long without being deleted or restored back into this article. As much as I like it, NiGHTS is really a very minor game in the overall history of videogames, yet even something as big as the Legend of Zelda series has only a single section on cameos and references within its main article.

Honestly, I really think the best thing to do is to restore the list to this main page and condense it, preferably changing it to prose. Not every cameo appearance needs to be mentioned (Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information), and I think that even with omissions a tighter section would improve this article more than splitting it and using summary style.

I know attitudes on Wikipedia regarding what constitutes a valid subject for a page vary widely (for example, see the recent discussion at Talk:Kill_Bill#This_article_should_be_split), but personally I really think we can manage perfectly well with a single section within this article.

Also, Maresuke mentioned providing images for the article/section. A big gallery would be good for references, but not for satisfying image fair use criteria - IMO we've already got too many fair use images without rationales in the article as it is (combining the Claris/Elliot images was a good move though).--Nick R^Talk 18:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

I think it's time for a peer review. This article looks like it's looking good enough to be a GA with a little more work, and I think a Peer Review would help. NiGHTS into Dreams... 21:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

User: Nights into Dreams... edits - wtf

Why have you messed around with this? I dont mind the cameos page, but you've taken out all the character stuff, removed the scoring section completely (if you think its not important, then that tells me you havent played the game very much), reduced the alife details, and made the pics positions untidy. Can someone roll back his edits to [this]... again... please? Gskdreamer 15:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you are overreacting a bit. User: Nights is doing a great job of removing all un-needed fluff from the article. Wikipedia isn't a game guide, and stuff like score details make the article harder to read than it needs to be. The article still needs a bit more work to make it more viewer/reader friendly, but that takes time. A revert would do more harm than good. Keep up the great job User: NiD.Lamename3000 19:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Lamename, I was following the suggestions given in the peer review. At the top of the page, there's a link to it. It's still not done, but it'll happen. Gsk, while the info is very, very important, it is too much like a strategy guide. (Btw, I play NiGHTS constantly. On the scoreattack.net website that I know you're a member of, I'm NiGHTSWii.) NiGHTS into Dreams... 23:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think its not enough to have just the 3 playable characters and no one else - considering how important Wizeman and Reala are to the story line, and to have nothing on the scoring seems silly as its such a big part of the game - its not mentioned at all at the moment (correct me if I'm wrong)

I get the need to be concise, but I'd like to see a balance. I dunno, maybe I just want more from nights wiki than wiki is meant to be... sorry if I was overly aggressive Nightswii, especailly if you were just following wiki guidelines - I find the limits placed on wiki not to my taste - though can see the reasoning. Gskdreamer 17:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

They were good changes, mostly. However, I don't think it was necessary to trim down the score/boss system information quite that much. OK, having written or edited much of it, admittedly I may be biased towards keeping it. But if you look at other featured videogame articles such as Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and Perfect Dark, they have reasonably large gameplay sections touching on most aspects (but not excessively detailed... well, except maybe in the descriptions of PD's multiplayer modes). Also, I think it's quite important to focus on the gameplay section for this game, since there's not a vast amount of information on the game's production process that could be used for a "development" section.

So I think it may be possible to go into a little more detail without going to the "game guide" extent of before, as was mentioned in that peer review. I'll have a go at re-incorporating some of the info on the scoring and bosses... but not too much! --Nick R^Talk 22:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've done that now: added an example of one move that can be performed (the paraloop), noted that speedy boss fights are rewarded, commented on the time limit as NiGHTS, and simply stated that the combo system exists, without going into too much detail. That's about as much detail on each element as is featured in other good articles' "Gameplay" sections - not too excessive! --Nick R^Talk 00:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I've just noticed - both the "Characters: NiGHTS" and "Gameplay" sections now feature descriptions of the paraloop. That doesn't need to be repeated. More text added to the character sections would improve the layout, but descriptions of playable in-game actions might be more suited to "Gameplay". --Nick R^Talk 00:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

GameReactor Nights exclusive

I've seen the following image, it differs from the one of the official site: http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/e2x5wq.jpg

Does it's real? Why two different images for the magazine and the internet? -- 87.217.10.25 18:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

There wasn't meant to be two images. They originally had the picture, but I guess Sega didn't want to let the cat out of the bag officially yet, so they made the magazine remove the image.... yet we still all know that there is major NiGHTs information ready to bubble out at any moment.... bubble.. Lamename3000 06:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Another thing for whomever reads this. Since Naki (sp?) said that Wii would be the perfect console for a NiGHTs sequel, I am speculating that the sequel/remake/re-release will be a Wii exclusive. But again, my speculation and not meant to be even thought about in the article (until we have more information, which would be soon.)Lamename3000 07:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

True. Should we put the cover on the page, or is that infringement of some kind? I think it would increase the quality of the article. NiGHTS into Dreams... 11:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Gender?

The article lists NiGHTs as a "he", yet.. it... talks like a woman ingame (I think), and also looks like one. Is.. it.. really a "he"? - Snip3rNife 06:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

NiGHTS was designed to be androgynous, but people generally say he because it's easier than it. Ayries 07:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

lol I suppose Nights' yelp is quite girly (thats the only thing it says in the game I think) - nid.com has a quote about Nights gender being ambiguous. Gskdreamer 17:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Popularity and future/Further appearances

I'm not pleased with later sections of the article. "Popularity and future" isn't really the best title for a section focusing just on a possible sequel - rename it? Also, there's really too much detail following the various rumours over the years - I'll be glad when it's officially announced, because then we'll be able to remove the running commentary and just have one brief summary. :)

I renamed "cameo appearances" to "further appearances", so that "Comics" would be a more relevant subsection. More detail could be added though: when were the comics published, for example? Also, with that picture and that little text, the layout's not very good. I still really don't think that the separate article "NiGHTS into Dreams... Cameos" is suitable for Wikipedia, either, so some of the content from there should be re-incorporated into this one. --Nick R^Talk 00:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the second set of NiGHTS Comics weren't based on the game's story at all? because the last 3 comics have nothing to do with the game, besides the characters. Maresuke 05:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

NiGHTS for Wii appearin on portuguese magazine

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/57421520070330_180006_0_big.jpg http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/57421520070330_180008_1_big.jpg http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/57421520070330_180644_0_big.jpg http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/57421520070330_181047_0_big.jpg http://img158.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=73007_missingpage_122_520lo.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.217.10.25 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

This is already posted. Thank you, but please read before posting things. JackSparrow Ninja 18:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Article title

WP:MOSTM states that "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". So the name for this article should be changed to Nights into Dreams. The three dots should also be removed, they brake the linking of the page. Anyone agree? --Mika1h 23:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a good point, Mika1h, and carefully be analyzed. I do have the game manual and jewel case on me, and the trademark does indeed read "NiGHTS" with the lowercase "i." In fact, the manual refers to the game simply as "NiGHTS" and never "NiGHTS Into Dreams..." And if we go by the title on the jewel case, we can see that the "i" in "into" is lowercase, and, though the stylized font makes it difficult to determine, it appears the "d" in "dreams" is also lowercase. Admittedly, nowadays, the most popular usage of the title does appear to be "NiGHTS Into Dreams..." across most gaming media outlets. However, you can see in most interviews that the developer Naka and crew simply refer to the game as "NiGHTS." Indeed, that appears to be the most common usage when the game was released in 1996, although "NiGHTS" is kind of used as an abbreviation now. The "..." really is decorative punctuation; there's still no consensus over whether Yahoo! or TNA Impact! should stand with their decorative punctuation.

I think that, by overwhelming common usage, the lowercase "i" in "NiGHTS" should still stand. The question is whether the title should simply be "NiGHTS" or "NiGHTS into dreams..." or some variation of that, with or without the ellipses. --Tristam 22:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)