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The result was redirect‎ to WSFJ-TV. or the Ohio list referenced. That can be re-targeted if needed. What's clear is the consensus for a redirect, target doesn't need continuation of AfD which is unlikely to garner participation as indicated by prior weeks Star Mississippi 02:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WQMC-LD

WQMC-LD (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of coverage beyond routine business transaction reports in industry sources. Let'srun (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Ohio. Let'srun (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to WSFJ-TV: that may sound unorthodox, but it seems like much of what has happened to this station have tied in to changes at that station. This was a run-of-the-mill TBN repeater until TBN swapped it for WSFJ, which gave W23BZ its "own" programming and made it a bit less "non-notable", but that was only good for something on its own in the pre-2021 looser "notability standards". WQMC-LD later ended up becoming "Urban One TV" (and no, that press release posted on the website of co-owned WXMG does not count toward notability, what with the lack of independence and all) on March 1, 2021 — the same day Scripps, which had ended up with WSFJ by way of Ion, shuttered Ion Plus and took Bounce TV from WQMC. This station feels like one of those that should have more significant coverage than it does (especially since there is also a Telemundo affiliation), but runs into such coverage being less likely to be generated within this century. (Alternatively, this is also one of those rare times where I'm more willing to consider a redirect to List of television stations in Ohio#LPTV stations than has even been considered in any of these AfDs.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support redirect if someone is willing to add content to the article to go along with it. Ben Azura (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Transactions per second. Sandstein 20:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query throughput

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 02:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Deere

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I couldn't find sources to show he meets WP:N or that there is a good WP:ATD. This ahs been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 05:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Moriwen (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It would be good to check for a pass of WP:NAUTHOR: if multiple of his books pass WP:NBOOK with 2 reviews, that would be a NAUTHOR pass. The Christianity Today book review linked above as "routine coverage" is by no means routine coverage; it is an NBOOK-qualifying source for Even in Our Darkness (as long as it is an independent RS, which I do not know). If a second review for that book is found, that book passes NBOOK and he's part of the way along to NAUTHOR. (Routine coverage in an NBOOK context would be this kind of thing.) Note than an NAUTHOR pass does not require biographical coverage of the author. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as well as the Christianity Today review there is also this piece in the Publisher's Weekly here which states that two of his books sold 400,000 copies combined which suggests there should be reviews. I found this review here and a number of reviews listed in Google Books but i didn't get any previews, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Keep. Most of what appears in a quick google is blogs and other unreliable sources but I found a couple more CT articles(probably paywalled) a full review] of his first book when it was published and news coverage of his firing from DTS. He looks to meet WP:AUTHOR, I think. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Ladonia (micronation). Should editors wish to exercise editorial discretion and merge content from this article, the page history remains available. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carolyn Shelby

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Very little indication that subject is notable. PepperBeast (talk) 01:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The only independent reliable secondary source is the BBC, and that's only a passing mention, which doesn't meet the notability criteria. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fascinating tidbit, but not enough coverage of this individual. Even what's used is one BBC story and the rest are primary or non-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not going to offer an opinion on whether to delete or not, but I think the Dagens Nyheter article should qualify as a reliable source (I've been told it is "The NY Times of Sweden", but that could be not entirely accurate). The article is a decent-length interview about how Ladonia will continue to function after the death of Lars Vilks.
    I was surprised the original article was never nominated for deletion before, so I added (what I thought) was a better written article in tone/style and added some additional references. There are quite a few more interviews and articles where she is named only as the "Queen of Ladonia" or "Queen Carolyn", like podcast appearances, radio interviews, an interview on Al Jazeera (with Prince Michael of Sealand also on the panel), and a 15 minute segment on a German TV program called Galileo. There is also a chapter on Ladonia in a Swedish book called "Mikronationer" (and she is interviewed as well as on the cover of the book), and Lars Vilks' last book before his death (Nimis) talks about her role running Ladonia. I can dig up the links to the references, though I'd rather save the effort if the article is destined for deletion anyway. Kulib (talk) 00:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Dagens Nyheter is a strong candidate to be seen as the newspaper of record in Sweden. It qualifies. /Julle (talk) 22:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I found a Mapping micronations (Al Jazeera, 2014) interview source. There is also a 2023 WGN Radio 720 interview ("Her Majesty is the host and coordinator of the 2023 MicroCon."). The 2022 BBC source seems to be more than a passing mention because it includes biographical information with context. A redirect to Ladonia (micronation) where she is mentioned and pictured seems supported. Beccaynr (talk) 03:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think with much of this article and available sources focused on Ladonia and/or the role of the monarch generally, instead of sourced information about Shelby, WP:PAGEDECIDE seems relevant to consider and further supports a redirect at this time. The Ladonia article 1) provides needed context to help understand Shelby, and Shelby is likely covered better there given the limited independent/secondary sourced information that appears to be available about her 2) the relationship between Shelby and Ladonia seems better appreciated in the context of the Ladonia article, 3) most sourcing does not appear to be independent or secondary, e.g. a book by Lars Vilks, interviews of Shelby. I am not able to access the Dagens Nyheter source but I did check the Wikipedia Library and only found a Spanish-language reprint of the BBC source. Beccaynr (talk) 02:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. "Drottningen av Ladonien: ’Vår plikt att röra oss framåt’" in Dagens Nyheter, which has been added since this was taken to AfD (and after the first couple of comments) ha longer coverage of Carolyn Shelby herself. "Utopidiplomati i ett låtsas-FN" in Ping (former magazine for sv:DIK, 20 November 2015, has slightly more than merely mentioning her in passing, but not at all the same level of information as the Dagens Nyheter article. I think the additions to the article since this discussion stared makes it keepable. /Julle (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the editors mentioning Dagens Nyheter. Also, given the reativey large amount of people involved in creating Ladonia (most micronations are things like a farmer in a dispute with the authorities), I would argue being their nominal leader would likely make her presumptively notable. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 02:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect, per Beccaynr's analysis. Based on what I can access, the Dagens Nyheter article seems like it's largely based on an interview? Even if it isn't, we still have NOPAGE for these cases when a topic is better covered in another page. An article on Shelby will end up being somewhat of a coatrack for Ladonia governance, so covering her at Ladonia would be preferable.
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  • Delete. There seems to be almost nothing to say about this person, who "[serves] as the Queen and head of state of the Royal Republic of" something that's succeeded in being trademarked. Non-notable. -- Hoary (talk) 09:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per improvements made since nom. The Dagens Nyheter source is helpful. Within WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there is some coverage in Swedish newspapers, but it is by no means extensive or in-depth. This suggests that the proper course of action is to mention Shelby at Ladonia (micronation) and delete this standalone bio. Draken Bowser (talk) 16:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A redirect is ok by me. Draken Bowser (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per additions since nom, I think it would be a detriment to the Ladonia article to merge this article into it. AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Ladonia (micronation) with history intact to enable the merger of sourced information. The sources are marginal for a BLP, but there's no need for actual deletion when her coverage is as part of a more clearly notable topic. In particular I would rather see the article kept rather than deleted if those are the only two options, but view a redirect with a partial merger as the best ultimate solution. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Ladonia (micronation). This is a living subject and the article has very little in the way of reliable sources or direct detailing. I would prefer the page is deleted for BLP reasons, but can live with redirect as an alternative. BusterD (talk) 13:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Skopovny

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Nominated for deletion on pl wiki (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2024:02:05:Hans Skopowny). Likely hoax or WP:OR on non-notable individual. Sources impossible to verify (no ISBNs/URLs, either false or translated from Ukrainian to a variant that doesn't exist outside Wikipedia). All other articles of the creator likely suffer from the same issue (over a dozen: [2]). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, nothing is confirmable and there is a very possible WP:OR involved. I did a quick search on Google and nothing notable showed up. Youprayteas (talk to me?/ things i did) 17:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dubikowski family with Ostoja coat of arms

Dubikowski family with Ostoja coat of arms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article speedy deleted from pl wiki for "Non-encyclopedic article: ahistorical family fantasies, misspelled". We should do the same. It does not seem this family is notable (WP:GNG), and WP:OR is a major issue. Sources are not possible to verify - no URLs, no ISBNs for the book, the titles of the books and other information seem to be translated from Ukrainian/Russian making it impossible to verify they even exist since Wikipedia is the only place they are used in this version. Possible hoax - hard to guess whether this is indeed OR on one's family or something at the level of Zhemao hoaxes. Pretty much all other articles of that editor need to be deleted for the same reason, I'll be nominating them shortly. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Trying to get through some of the sources and it's challenging.
Main sources are:
  • [1 The CSHAK: F. 481, Reg. 3, Case 1185.] direct to physical documents at the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Kyiv, [2 The NIAB: F. 319, Reg. 2, Case 1019 (also 3775)] are similar physical documents at the National Archives of Belarus.
  • [3 Ros Kan. The story of one kin. Kiev 2022] doesn't lead to anything as far as I can find, and [4 S. Dubikowski, Palimpsest of the Gods, Kiev, 2020] is this book. If the quotes in the article are anything to go by, one or both of these are a wild ride: [...] this Hierophant-Warrior dynasty, which ruled almost the all ancient World, bore the unique Devine kingship. It was a Universal Vedic Slovic-Aryan civilization existed for millennia in the territory from Dublin to Vladivostok [...].
All the other sources are only used in the sections on land owned and members of the family, and appear to mainly be lists of members of nobility, military regiments, land ownership records or other information that alone probably does not meet GNG requirements. I checked one and it does exist, even if the way it is presented seems to be WP:OR as it links to knight rather than cavalry, but I have not read the whole book, just verified that the book exists and the name Dubikowski is in the book: [21 Joseph Tyszkiewicz (Count.). Histoire du 17me Régt. de Cavalerie Polonaise (Lanciers du Cte. Michel Tyszkiewicz), 1812–1815. Published by WL Anczyc, 1904, p. 68.] English translation?, Polish original? Shazback (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Massive heap of WP:OR. Renata•3 04:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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