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In Germany, Hauptschule is not considered better educated. It's the lowest of the 3 schools kids attend starting 5th grade. [[Special:Contributions/107.4.90.214|107.4.90.214]] ([[User talk:107.4.90.214|talk]]) 23:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
In Germany, Hauptschule is not considered better educated. It's the lowest of the 3 schools kids attend starting 5th grade. [[Special:Contributions/107.4.90.214|107.4.90.214]] ([[User talk:107.4.90.214|talk]]) 23:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:I deleted the part that goes into detail about education and East/West Germany. The study is too small to draw any of these conclusions. [[User:CarlFromVienna|CarlFromVienna]] ([[User talk:CarlFromVienna|talk]]) 09:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Q1: Why does the article distinguish between dietary and ethical vegans? Aren't ethical vegans the only true vegans?
The article makes the distinction because reliable sources make it. See Talk:Veganism/Sources for the dietary veganism distinction for a selection of sources. For example:
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This article is incorrect the definition of vegan, philosophy that defines a person's actions towards causing the least amount of hato sentien beings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.113.112 (talk) 02:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
St David
in the History section it states that "In the sixth century, St. David is reported to have lived on a vegan diet." I checked out the reference for this and in the very next line to that quoted it says that he drank milk. So the reference does not state that he was Vegan as implied in this article, just that he was vegetarian. I will remove the sentence from this article. Bodrugan (talk) 08:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Critiques of Veganism
In the interests of fairness, shouldn't there be a section listing critiques and criticisms of the vegan diet from a health point of view at the very least? The only dissenting voice given in the article is from "Discrimination against vegans" and "Vegaphobia" which very strongly implies that only irrational and spiteful people would have any problem with this lifestyle. It just seems strange that nearly every other movement listed on this site follows a very standard formula of its history, its beliefs, and nearly always ends with a list of its criticisms written from a neutral point of view. Why should veganism be any different? 2603:3018:CD9:100:FC7B:A7D0:E465:4794 (talk) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Phoenix
- Agree with this - personally I have no issue with vegans or veganism in general but it is odd that this article is basically uncritical. Foonblace (talk) 08:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- From the lede: "Vitamin B12 supplementation is important because its deficiency can cause blood disorders and potentially irreversible neurological damage". In general, WP:CRITS are to be avoided. Bon courage (talk) 09:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Eating vs Using
The lead sentence is grammatically incorrect. Eating something doesn't count as using it. How about this:
"Veganism is the practice of abstaining from animal source foods and the use of animal products, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals." Countryboy603 (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
A person who follows the diet is known as a vegan?
There's actually another term for someone who follows the diet without following the philosophy: plant-based dieter. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Plant_Based_Diet_CookBook/eojPDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22plant+based+dieter%22&pg=PP10&printsec=frontcover Countryboy603 (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Plant-based diets can be meaty. Veganism is more plant-only. Bon courage (talk) Bon courage (talk) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Someone who follows a plant-only diet but wears leather is a strict plant-based dieter, not a vegan. Is that book I linked to not a reliable source?--Countryboy603 (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not really. See also Talk:Plant-based diet#Vegan diets (where you are mentioned). Bon courage (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Countryboy603 No, that book is self-published. Possibly AI-generated. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Someone who follows a plant-only diet but wears leather is a strict plant-based dieter, not a vegan. Is that book I linked to not a reliable source?--Countryboy603 (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Merge
Should we merge this with Abolitionism (animal rights)? Countryboy603 (talk) 00:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe link it but not completely merge 173.93.59.46 (talk) 05:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- No.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 05:15, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- No. Abolitionism and veganism are interrelated yet distinct philosophies. They complement each other. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- This merge proposal is also discussed at Talk:Abolitionism_(animal_rights)#Merge. I oppose this merge. There are a number of RS sources that have significant coverage of Abolitionism as a concept, which alone is justification for a separate article.Dialectric (talk) 13:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Prevalence by country: Germany, incorrect statement
...better educated (people who ended their formal education with Hauptschule graduation)...
In Germany, Hauptschule is not considered better educated. It's the lowest of the 3 schools kids attend starting 5th grade. 107.4.90.214 (talk) 23:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- I deleted the part that goes into detail about education and East/West Germany. The study is too small to draw any of these conclusions. CarlFromVienna (talk) 09:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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