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Edit war?

What's going on with reverts and re-reverts on this article? I could not even understand what the point of contention is, but you guys really need to discuss the issue here, at this talk page, rather than working you way towards edit warring blocks. Nsk92 (talk) 17:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Shouldn't Chairman of the Council of Ministers be the correct English title of this article? RicJac (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No because it also called Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, Chairman of the Council of Ministers, Prime Minister of the Soviet Union, Chairman of the Interstate Economic Committee and Prime Minister of the Economic Union... Considering the fact that most western press, and many authors to this day still refer to the soviet head of government as Premier, Premier is the best word. Good enough explanation? --TIAYN (talk) 18:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Premier vs. General Secretary

It would nice if the opening paragraph of this article clearly explained the differences between Premier and General Secretary. As it is, both articles basically state that two positions represent the head of state, which strikes me as misleading. I understand that these differences changed over time, which is precisely what I'm trying to get a handle on. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Maury Markowitz: This article states that the premier is head of government, while the General Secretary article states it was the title given to the party leader and that it was largely synonymous throughout Soviet history with leader of the Soviet Union. --TIAYN (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But I don't understand precisely what the difference means. Is there nothing that we westerners might be more familiar with? And why should I have to go to both articles to understand a single concept? Long and short; I assume these positions have actual practical differences, but no idea what those might be. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Confusion concerning the organs of state government

In the era of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union from 1938 to 1989, I'm confused the various different pages on the organs of government during this time. The article for the Supreme Soviet lists the Chairmen of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, the Presidium being the permanent body when the Supreme Soviet wasn't in session. The article on the Presidium mentions that the Chairman was often seen as the Head of State (and the body as the collective head of state), by whom, I'm not sure.

What I'm confused of, however, is how the Premier of the Soviet Union/Chairman of the Council of Ministers related to the Supreme Soviet and it's Presidium? This article doesn't really cover most of this period skipping to the 1977 constitution. Most importantly, it doesn't really mention who elected the Council of Ministers, whereas it's plainly stated on the other articles who elected the Supreme Soviet and that the Supreme Soviet then elected the Presidium to represent it (BTW, did Presidium members have to be members of the Supreme Soviet?).

So, who elected the Council of Ministers? Did they have to be members of the Supreme Soviet? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

Proposing to merge Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union and Premier of the Soviet Union as these pages concern the same thing, per WP:REDUNDANT. Chairman was used 1946–1991, while most English sources used Premier. The Powers section might be relevant for this page. Skjoldbro (talk) 06:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Premier of the Soviet Union shows all heads of the Governemnt of the Soviet Union. Chairman of the Council of Ministers article is written around specified date range, plus it shows vice-chairmen (what Premier article lacks). Both articles should stay. MarcusTraianus (talk) 09:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Premier covers the whole time, therefore the Chairman article is WP:REDUNDANT. IF Deputy/vice chairmen are important for the articles they could just be added to the Premier. However, Premier links to each cabinet, where all deputies are listed in a less clunky way, along with all other cabinet positions. Skjoldbro (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Soviet Union has been notified of this discussion. Skjoldbro (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Socialism has been notified of this discussion. Skjoldbro (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Politics has been notified of this discussion. Skjoldbro (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not redudant. Plus, vice chairmen list in Premier article will be too much detail. Vice chairmen list in the article is important, because Soviet politics were dominated by collective decisions or at least group politics. Both article should stay, and saying that one article is redudant follows the same logic as if we should delete the list of presidents of Russia, because we have the list of heads of state of Russia. MarcusTraianus (talk) 09:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support @Skjoldbro: Also see Talk:Council of People's Commissars of the Soviet Union#Merge article to Government of the Soviet Union? TheUzbek (talk) 11:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per MarcusTraianus.

UserMemer (chat) Tribs 01:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Deputies can be added in if necessary.

Kalivyah (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, Rename and restucture I know my opinion doesn't matter since I don't have an account but I still want to share my idea:

Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union should be renamed into Chairmen of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union. It will still a be list but that's about it, the powers section will be moved to the Premier of the Soviet Union. The Premier of the Soviet Unionwill now have the powers section added from Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union but will have list removed, maybe shortened to most the notable premiers. 172.116.113.102 (talk) 04:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :* '''Support'''. Deputies can be added in if necessary.
 :[[User:Kalivyah|Kalivyah]] ([[User talk:Kalivyah|talk]]) 22:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
+:'''Oppose, Rename and restucture''' I know my opinion doesn't matter since I don't have an account but I still want to share my idea:
+:[[Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union]] should be renamed into ''Chairmen ''of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union. It will still a be list but that's about it, the powers section will be moved to the [[Premier of the Soviet Union]]. The [[Premier of the Soviet Union]]will now have the powers section added from [[Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union]] but will have list removed, maybe shortened to most the notable premiers. [[Special:Contributions/172.116.113.102|172.116.113.102]] ([[User talk:172.116.113.102|talk]]) 04:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)