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Here's the current version of the second sentence:

Among the victims were the president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński, and his wife, Maria, the former president of Poland in exile, Ryszard Kaczorowski, the chief of the Polish General Staff and other senior Polish military officers, the president of the National Bank of Poland, Polish Government officials, 18 members of the Polish Parliament, senior members of the Polish clergy, and relatives of victims of the Katyn massacre.

Please change it to this:

Among the victims were the president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński, and his wife, Maria; the former president of Poland in exile, Ryszard Kaczorowski; the chief of the Polish General Staff and other senior Polish military officers; the president of the National Bank of Poland; Polish government officials; 18 members of the Polish parliament; senior members of the Polish clergy; and relatives of victims of the Katyn massacre.

In addition to removing unnecessary capital letters, this replaces several commas with colons. In the current form, two phrases can be read as appositives: in particular, was Kaczorowski the former president-in-exile or the chief of the General Staff, and if he were the chief of the General Staff, was Maria Kaczyński also the former president-in-exile, or was it a third, unnamed, person? Replacing some of the commas with semicolons makes it clear who was who. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tollens (talk) 02:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No Citations at all in Entire 3rd Paragraph

The 3rd paragraph of this page contains no citations. This is an incredibly controversial paragraph, and to make such specific claims as this paragraph does absolutely needs to contain citations. If not, this is forcing the article to lose credibility.

"Both the Russian and Polish official investigations found no technical faults with the aircraft, and concluded that the crew failed to conduct the approach in a safe manner in the given weather conditions. The Polish authorities found serious deficiencies in the organization and training of the Air Force unit involved, which was subsequently disbanded. Several high-ranking members of the Polish military resigned following pressure from politicians and the media." Awards12 (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia should not actively promote Russian propaganda. Please correct the article. 86.114.255.162 (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 "Both the Russian and Polish official investigations found no technical faults with the aircraft, and concluded that the crew failed to conduct the approach in a safe manner in the given weather conditions. The Polish authorities found serious deficiencies in the organization and training of the Air Force unit involved, which was subsequently disbanded. Several high-ranking members of the Polish military resigned following pressure from politicians and the media." [[User:Awards12|Awards12]] ([[User talk:Awards12|talk]]) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Truth ==
+Wikipedia should not actively promote Russian propaganda. Please correct the article. [[Special:Contributions/86.114.255.162|86.114.255.162]] ([[User talk:86.114.255.162|talk]]) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)