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Welcome!

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WikiProject Figure Skating

Hello Awartha! I noticed that you have edited figure skating-related articles. I have created WikiProject Figure Skating, with the goal of improving Wikipedia's coverage of figure skating articles. We could use your help! Please consider joining. Thanks! -- Fang Aili ^talk 00:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Kumiko Koiwai Page

According to the log for that page, it appears to have been deleted. No idea specifically why...talk to the person who deleted it to discuss it further. DMacks 02:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pages can be speedy-deleted with no discussion other than a short-lived notice on the page itself. And once the page is deleted, there's no longer any evidence of that notice. Again, talk to the person who deleted it to see what specific reasoning or policy he was following. DMacks 03:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. They were deleted for being not much more than an introductory sentence or two. That's a speedy for lack of content/context. Please feel free to recreate them since it's clear that you plan on expanding these. Nothing personal. - Lucky 6.9 03:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Living people

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link to British

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Re: Figure skating pictogram

Hi, thanks for the comment. I appreciate it and I kind of agree with you. I'll try to change it to a more unique figure skating-related position but meanwhile I'll keep it that way. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 19:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There. Check if this version pleases you more ;) Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 20:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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re: Jeffrey Buttle

Hello--

I added the explanation to the claim that he's first in the world because the statement seems a little POV, and as far as I can tell, the world standings page doesn't have any explanation as to what the scores are based on. Do you think the article would be better without the statement? I feel it still needs to be clarified in some way, because I feel someone unfamiliar to figure skating would assume that Buttle was ranked first based on some single championship event (Worlds and 4CC come to mind), when other people have won those titles.

Thanks for your time! Lmblackjack21 11:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help request

How may I help you? --Sopoforic 03:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. :) Is there any way to show pages being moved on my watchlist? Right now if a page is moved, I don't notice it until the next edit on it has a different page name than the one it used to have. Awartha 03:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately there isn't any way to do that, although I agree that it'd be nice if there were a way. Both of us will just have to be vigilant, I suppose. --Sopoforic 03:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. :( I was wondering why all other edits show up, but not that one. Awartha 05:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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German Figure Skating Championships

Hello, honestly I do not understand what else I shall write as a source for this article. I actually wrote a very long text as a source when I first touched this article. Please see the history and search for my name. The sources are, to say it again: A book with the title "Jahrbuch 1989 - DEV" (Yearbook 1989 - DEV (German Skating Association)) and the result lists of each competition at German figure skating championships as a paper copy. I bought these lists from the DEU, which is the German figure skating association. I freely admit English is not my mother-tongue, but you deleted the text where I explained it, but did not understand what it meant. Why don't you ask me? I am not a monster. Please delete the classification of this article as "Unreferenced". Uwe Langer 19:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanation. I have added the reference section. Please check wether it is sufficiant now. ...and if you like it please delete the classification as "Unreferenced". Uwe Langer 18:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica Rose Paetsch

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Jon Nuss

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Contesting Jessica Rose Paetsch and Jon Nuss

I am using NPWatcher, a Wikipedia tool, I don't think those two are very famous outside figure skating, that's my criteria. - Patricknoddy 19:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ming Xu

Good day! I certainly don't want to start a revert war on an article that I don't care about (rather than very periferally). But I would like to note that its current abridged form may be rather misleading. If we simply say that Ming Xu "is a Chinese name where Ming is the family name and Xu is the given name" (which, of course, what "Ming Xu" would mean for the overwhelming majority of persons who are referred to in that way), then I think we should not immediately proceed without explanation to "Xu Ming" (for whom of course Xu is the family name) or General Mingsioi (whose family name we don't know, as the Manchus did not use family name together with the given name. Ming is simply the first syllable of his two-syllable Manchu personal name. I actully was wrong even spelling it with a space, but that would be a likely misspelling for somebody not aware of the convention). Otherwise we'll imply that these persons' family name is Ming, which it is not. If you want the disambig article short - but without factual incorrectness, something like this could do:

Ming Xu is usually a Chinese name where Ming is the family name and Xu is the given name.

Ming Xu may also refer to:

Xu Ming, figure skater
Mingsioi or Mingxu, a Qing Governor General of the Ili Region.

Regards, Vmenkov 09:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Incidentally, it seem that some other articles in Category:Chinese figure skaters may need to be renamed: right now some are named using the Chinese convention - (e.g. Xu Ming, family name first), while others using the "Western" form (e.g. Xiaodong Ma where Ma is the family name). It seems appropriate to rename them all into Last name, First name format, unless there is a good reason to keep somebody's name in a "Western" form. So you may end up creating a few more of those redirect pages - and then somebody else may want to make them into disambig pages... Vmenkov

Your edit to Figure skating at the 1908 Summer Olympics

You recently removed the usage of the "DetailsLink" template on this page, with no edit summay, no talk page discussion, etc. Can you explain why you made that edit? Thanks, Andrwsc 21:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got rid of it to conform to standards used in other skating articles. DetailsLink looked messy and was easily overlooked. I didn't even notice that the page it linked to existed until I following "what links here" from Richard Johansson and found myself in a page I'd never been before. I changed it so it's easier to find more detailed results about the competition. Awartha 21:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but two things: First, please use edit summaries so people can figure out what you are doing. A glance at your contributions list tells me that you rarely use them. Second, that article is more in line with other Olympic articles, and is intended to follow the standard formats used there. A recent discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports Olympics had some consensus that merely wikilinking the event name to the event article was less distinctive than adding an identifiable word to show the link. It is still under discussion, so your input would be more helfpul to contribute your opinions than to make unexplained edits. Hope this helps, Andrwsc 21:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Figure skater notability

Hello, actually I would disagree that that establishes notability. A subject (of any type) becomes notable by being featured in multiple nontrivial secondary sources, although we have some good secondary guidelines such as WP:BIO which offer some indications when that's more likely. Also, it would seem to me that the "highest level" for figure skating would be the Olympics, rendering the point moot in this case regardless. It seems he might meet the criteria, but I could find no secondary sources, so I'd like to leave the tag in place for now as all that's featured as a source is a statistics sheet. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 09:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there are 319 google hits for him, so I wouldn't call him completely obscure. The highest level for figure skating are the ISU Championships, which are four championships held by the International Skating Union. They are the World Figure Skating Championships, the World Junior Figure Skating Championships, the European Figure Skating Championships, and the Four Continents Figure Skating Championships. To compete at those events, skaters have to be elite and at the highest level in their country. The World Figure Skating Championships are like the Olympics, except they happen every year. World Juniors is the same, except that it's targeted at skaters between the ages of 13 and 19 (but note the ages of competitiors at World Seniors. There's a major overlap, so what happens is that skaters at World Juniors are often skaters who just missed the Worlds team but are still skating at World Championship level). Senior level is Olympic level. Junior level is one below that, but junior level at ISU Championships is based on age, not skill level. Olympic champion Sarah Hughes, for example, could still have gone to World Juniors after winning the gold! Awartha 09:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do see quite a few Google hits for him, unfortunately most of those are not in English. (Or Spanish, I could help on that one too.) What you might want to do (if you can't translate the sources yourself of course!) is contact WP:TRANSLATE for some help translating source material into English. Really though, it's probably not that big a deal right now-the notability tag mentions deletion, but it doesn't call for it, it'll just categorize the article like all the maintenance tags do! Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 09:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool. Sorry if I come off grumpy. I've watched too many pages I've created get speedy deleted and prodded into extinction, while non notable skaters survive AfD. I think I should tattoo figure skating competition heirarchies onto my forehead. Awartha 10:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to me, sourcing matters more than hierarchy. Still, the article you created does have a notability assertion-A7 is only meant for articles in which there's absolutely no reason stated to believe the subject might be notable, vanity bios and the like, although unfortunately it does get misused sometimes. What you might want to do, though, is set up a userspace "sandbox" that you can use as an incubator for articles in progress until you've got a couple sources on them, that makes them quite a bit less likely to get nominated for deletion. I've got one going like that here, I can certainly help you set it up if you should need. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 10:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What to you need help with? John Reaves (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be that when I clicked on a section to edit it, there was a list of templates transcluded. Now it's only there when I edit the page as a whole. Is there any way to get it back to by-section? Awartha 20:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I know of, sorry. I'll ask around. Could you give me a specific article as an expample? John Reaves (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Were you using a script? Maybe it's no longer working and you need to update to a newer version? Xiner (talk, email) 21:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, not using a script. And it was every page. For example, World Figure Skating Championships. I'd edit a section and it would show the flagicons at the bottom of the page under Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page:. Now it only shows that when editing the page as a whole. Awartha 21:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I do see a list of transcluded templates under "Templates used in this section:" when I click on the Edit link for a specific section (e.g. the "Men" or "Ladies" sections). Don't see any flag icons, though. —Xhantar^Talk 21:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really? where do you see it? All I see is:

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Awartha 21:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Directly below the last line you've copied above, actually ("See our policies..."). Let's just make sure we're both talking about the same page: *click*. I've also uploaded a screenshot here. Just a shot in the dark, but are you perhaps using a skin other than the default Monobook? —Xhantar^Talk 22:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's weird. I'm using the default skin, and your screencap is what I used to see, but now my page just stops after See our policies and guidelines for more information on editing. . Should I switch skins? Awartha 22:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, it sounds like we're both using the same (Monobook) skin, so I don't think it's that. Actually, I've just noticed I'm not seeing the list of templates when using Internet Explorer 6 (don't have 7 to test), but I do when using Firefox. In IE, I only see the same you've pasted above. Maybe it's a feature only possible in Firefox; maybe it's a bug. I'll try and research some more and let you know if I find any more info! —Xhantar^Talk 23:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. :) I'm using IE and I used to use Firefox. Maybe that's it. Awartha 23:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wait a sec. I have Firefox setup to automatically log me into Wikipedia, but just about never use IE so I was editing the page anonymously when I tested, and didn't notice. Also, I have "Show preview on first edit" turned on under "my preferences" :: "Editing" tab, but the auto preview never happened in IE because I wasn't logged on. I could see the list of templates once I manually clicked on Preview, though, so it looks like you have to preview the page first, before it shows up. This I found out from the following comment in MediaWiki's EditPage.php:

#need to parse the preview early so that we know which templates are used,
#otherwise users with "show preview after edit box" will get a blank list

Can you try to preview the page (after editing) and see if the list of templates show up then? —Xhantar^Talk 23:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That works! Thanks! wonder why it needs to be previewed for section but not for the page itself. I suppose it's just one of those things. Awartha 00:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yup! Probably some technical reason you wouldn't want to be bored with :) Glad it's working. Feel free to put {{helpme}} back up if you have any other questions. —Xhantar^Talk 01:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Attempt to delete subcategory of Jewish figure skaters

Well, they are trying to delete a subcategory of Jewish athletes again. This time, figure skaters. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_14#Category:Jewish_figure_skaters . I pointed out to the originator of the attempt that we had addressed this general issue already with the main category and with Jewish fencers, where the attempts failed. Still, they insist on trying to delete this category. Any help by your weighing in on the issue would be appreciated. Thanks again. --Epeefleche 00:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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+==Attempt to delete subcategory of Jewish figure skaters==
+Well, they are trying to delete a subcategory of Jewish athletes again.  This time, figure skaters.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_14#Category:Jewish_figure_skaters .  I pointed out to the originator of the attempt that we had addressed this general issue already with the main category and with Jewish fencers, where the attempts failed.  Still, they insist on trying to delete this category.  Any help by your weighing in on the issue would be appreciated.  Thanks again.  --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 00:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)