Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library

Can't create clippings on newspapers.com

I can access newspapers.com and click through search results to see the newspaper pages, but when I click on "Clip" I get "Register to create a clipping. Register for a Free Account" in a banner at the top of the screen. I'm working on an iPad as I'm travelling so I can't tell whether this also happens on my PC -- perhaps this is always the case on an iPad and my PC would work fine. Using Chrome. Is this a known issue? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

What worked for me was registering an account at newspapers.com (actual site, not the TWL proxy), logging in there, then logging in again through TWL proxy. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Mike Christie I literally just clipped an article and yes, you must signed in to clip. When you first enter the search page there is a person icon where you can sign in if you already have a newspapers.com account. Otherwise, you need to create an account on Newspapers.com directly. SusunW (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That worked -- thanks! I tried it both ways around -- logging in to my account first and then going through the library; that didn't work. Going through the library and then logging in did work. Thanks for the help! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, AstonishingTunesAdmirer and SusunW! It's been months of frustration, the lack of clipping.

I'm wondering, is there a way we can add that sort of instruction to the Library itself, so that the larger user base who's not looking on this talk page will know? -- Zanimum (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

When asked about this over at the WP:Discord server, @Samwalton9 (WMF) mentioned that instead they've been thinking about removing the Newspapers.com proxy entirely (as it's hard to maintain and has all these issues with clipping) and returning to the system where you manually apply to get your account upgraded for a year. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 02:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That system was easier to use. TrottieTrue (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

For Newspapers.com, yes, unfortunately you currently need to register outside of the library, and then log in inside the library. It's a pain and not how we'd like it to be. If you have thoughts about returning to the older system of individual account accesses I'd love to hear - we're evaluating the workload to move back to that system. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Now that I know how it works it's fine as far as I'm concerned. And I got very quick help here; it's annoying but only a minor issue if everyone knows how to do it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Samwalton9 (WMF) It's not unique to newspapers.com. Same happens with newspaperarchive and the British newspaper archives. The problem with the old system was that they stopped sending renewal notices, so inevitably your access would be suspended and you'd have to reapply, causing several weeks delay in getting back up and running. Once I figured out the log in system, this seems to work fine, except when changes are made by the provider to their system, and the fact that British newspaper archives billed me for renewal. I paid it, but it was weird. I do think it would be helpful to provide an explanation on the various newspaper collections that to clip you have to sign in. SusunW (talk) 18:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with SusunW. The inconvenience of having to register etc. is very minor compared to the old system. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 19:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I, too, had this clipping problem. My only complaint about the current system is that if you're trying to use the proxy URL for citations, it points non-Wikipedia-Library users to the top page of The Wikipedia Library not the actual resource. So this is the URL for the item that I see

https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/480189291/

and this is the one I need to use for a citation

https://www.newspapers.com/image/480189291/

I agree the wait time was frustrating with the old system, so I'm not sure of a better solution but I might not mind the old system if it were to come back (apologies for weird formatting, feel free to make it look nicer). Jessamyn (my talk page) 20:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I fixed this issue by writing a small userscript:

Extended content

// ==UserScript== // @name TWL proxy fix // @namespace http://tampermonkey.net/ // @version 2024-05-23 // @description Replace TWL proxy link in share window // @author You // @match https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/* // @icon https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?sz=64&domain=oclc.org // @grant none // @require https://code.jquery.com/jquery-3.6.0.min.js // ==/UserScript== /* globals $ */ (function() { 'use strict'; $('body').on('mouseover', '#share_link_link_url', function() { var str = $(this).val(); var regex = /https:\/\/www-newspapers-com\.wikipedialibrary\.idm\.oclc\.org\/(.*)/g; str = str.replace(regex, "https://newspapers.com/$1"); $(this).val(str); }); })();

You'd need Tampermonkey extension installed in your browser to make it work. Then you click on the Tampermonkey icon → Create a new script, replace everything there with this code and click File → Save. Then on Newspapers.com (TWL proxy version of it, that is), once you create a clipping, there will be a blue Share button in a panel on the right side of your screen. When you click it and mouse over the link in the share window, it should replace it with the proper link. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 21:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

All that seems really complicated. I just sign in to Newspapers.com, go to "My clippings" and paste the link from there. SusunW (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that works too, but then I would need to keep the second tab opened. And if I already have dozens upon dozens of tabs opened, keeping track of it is daunting. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 04:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I already use Tampermonkey so this was an easy adjustment. Jessamyn (my talk page) 21:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand what "register outside of the library, and then log in inside the library" means. Can you explain further, or point me towards directions on how to do this?

Also, I have been unable to access newspapers.com on my home computer but am able to do so when I log in at my local public library. I don't know why this is, or if it is related to the registration issue you mention. Mehendri Solon (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

https://www.newspapers.com/ is "outside of the library". When you access it through The Wikipedia Library ("inside the library"), right now you use https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/ (known as a proxy server). For whatever reason (unrelated to you unable to access the site), this proxy doesn't work well with the registration process, so you would need to first register at newspapers.com and then use your login/password when you log in through the proxy. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 18:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I prefer the current system even with the clipping issue to the old system of losing access for long periods of time due to the weirdness of never getting notices it was lost. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

NewspaperArchive

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T349831

When I try to access NewspaperArchive through the Wikipedia Library, I get redirected to the page "https://access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/Unauthorized", which reads, in part,

If you are seeing this page after clicking a link from your library or institution then there was a problem with the authentication.

Is anyone else having this issue? XabqEfdg (talk) 07:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Red bar says "Authentication failed" and the message is: "If you are seeing this page after clicking a link from your library or institution then there was a problem with the authentication. You can check with your host library or institution to confirm they have an active service. You can also email clientsupport@worldarchives.com to report the library or institution you are attempting to access through." — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 08:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Just got the same issue too. Dan Carkner (talk) 02:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

It works now. Thanks! XabqEfdg (talk) 02:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Mohr Siebeck

Is Mohr Siebeck access up for others? Books that were definitely available not that long ago don't appear to be available now. SnowFire (talk) 01:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

It's still down, so I've filed phab:T367233. SnowFire (talk) 19:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

OED

Apologies if this is old news, but I seem to remember it was discussed here... do we have access or not? Can't remember. Or find it if so! Cheers, ——Serial Number 54129 16:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a section on Meta here. Unfortunately, there are no replies yet. XabqEfdg (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

No, but it's been suggested - see phab:T347866. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

SEC_ERROR_OCSP_UNAUTHORIZED_REQUEST error when accessing collection

When clicking 'access collection' this error occurs, the website doesn't allow one to disable https either. The issue is at the domain https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org Traumnovelle (talk) 04:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Disabling security.OSCP.enabled in my browser fixes the issue, although I don't believe this is an ideal solution. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Remind me: Which partner recently left WP:Library's roster?

Used to list 80 platforms for months; at this writing, we're seeing 79 instead. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 08:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson: If I remember, UK Who's Who was a partner until about April this year, but no longer (or for what reason, I don't know). ——Serial Number 54129 12:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

JSTOR search

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Am I the only one having problems with the JSTOR search, getting a blank page with only headers (not an empty list). Викидим (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry that's happening to you. JSTOR is working ok for me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

When that has happened to me, it's fixed by clearing cache. I know that's the most boring answer, but it worked for me. Penny Richards (talk) 01:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you all! --Викидим (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Bookmarklet

Hi all! I've been using this on my own computer for almost a year now, but it just occurred to me to share this bookmarklet with fellow TWL users. Create a bookmark in your browser, and change the URL to be the following: javascript:void(location.href="https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?url="+location.href). Now if you are on the webpage of a journal article, you can click the bookmark, and if the library subscribes to the content, you will be redirected through the library and will receive access to the publication. Please let me know if you have any questions! BhamBoi (talk) 05:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I have been doing the same for some time. This generally, but not always, works. RolandR (talk) 09:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this, BhamBoi! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Springer access errors

Getting errors HTTP Status 400 – bad request errors, when trying to access Springer and Nature. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. I am unable to re-produce this issue. Could you clear cookies for oclc.org and try again? I would also suggest opening this page in another browser to see if it works.

If this issue persists, it would be great if you can send us an email with the URL, and a screenshot or a screen recording of the error you're facing. Thanks VSj (WMF) (talk) 11:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I cleared cookies for OCLC and Springer, and it worked. Zenomonoz (talk) 03:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Exact Editions

Can we get access to Exact Editions please? TrottieTrue (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Can you please add this to the suggest page here - https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/. VSj (WMF) (talk) 11:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Cannot access Newspapers.com clipping

My clippings redirect me to "This page is not available. This page is pending publication, has been removed or moved to a new location." SL93 (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know why it's happening all of a sudden, but it's fixed on an individual basis if you remove the "-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org" from the url and replace it with ".newspapers.com", which you should be doing anyways if you're using the clipping on Wikipedia, because the former isn't accessible by anyone else without a Newspapers.com account, while the latter url formatting can be seen by everyone. Silverseren^C 22:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I have been just changing it to that once I actually get to the adding the links to the article. Thank you. SL93 (talk) 22:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I assume the page is not available issue is some Wikipedia Library account access problem (which we've seemingly been having in various forms for a while based on sections above), considering it goes away by changing the URL. Hopefully someone manages to isolate what's going on. Silverseren^C 22:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I just had the same issue creating a clip. It's easily cured, but encountering it for the first time is unpleasant. It seems to be a new bug. Coretheapple (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

De Gruyter access error

I'm trying to access the following page: https://www-degruyter-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/database/ABJ/entry/abj.9172/html

It repeatedly reloads then gives me the following error: "Max challenge attempts exceeded. Please refresh the page to try again!"

I'm getting the same error with other De Gruyter entries/chapters that I was trying to access, across 2 different web browsers and extended confirmed accounts. (t · c) buidhe 05:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I can repoduce the error with database entries (or rather, anything under .../database/). Books and journals that are in the folder .../documents/ work fine for me. –Austronesier (talk) 10:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Permission denied

I'm getting the "Permission denied" message for all the sites, which I've never experienced before. Are there technical problems at present? DMBanks1 (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Working fine for me. Check your contribution history. Have you made 30+ edits in the past 30days? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grand'mere Eugene: I do not make numerous insignificant edits but primarily single in depth edits which add substantial content to a limited number of articles. How do I restore my access? DMBanks1 (talk) 17:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I had it wrong, the criterion is 10+ edits in the past 30 days, and your Contributions page shows you've now made 11 edits in that timeframe. Try again. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grand'mere Eugene: Still does not work. Has there ever been a discussion regarding a criterion which takes into account the size of content added instead of the number of edits. For folk like myself who are making substantial contributions to content, it is possible that I could only have a few edits in a month. Surely one large edit covers more ground than a thousand minor edits. DMBanks1 (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grand'mere Eugene: Now restored. Since it is theoretically possible for me to have no edits over a 30-day period when researching a large project, such as the Ashcroft one (which took several hundred hours), should I be doing 10 fake edits in the interim to keep my library access current? If not, how should contributors who primarily add content to grossly deficient articles handle such a situation? DMBanks1 (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

You raise some good questions — maybe editors with more knowledge about the rationale behind the requirements for WP Library access can advise? Perhaps voluminous edits should be weighed into the criteria differently, but I suspect the coding would be more complex than we currently have available. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The ten-edit minimum can be reached with routine editing tasks, like adding categories, updating lists, even fixing typos--it all adds up. - Penny Richards (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

If the underlying content of an article is grossly deficient, which is normally the case for the articles I have been expanding, no matter how many of the above activities are carried out in isolation, the respective content of such articles would remain grossly deficient. Consequently, for those with the appropriate capabilities, time is more productively spent in focusing upon such content deficiencies, which also addresses the routine as a byproduct. DMBanks1 (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

For maintaining access to the Wiki library, the rationale adopted bears no correlation whatsoever to either Wiki article research conducted or the product of that research. Since, the present criterion penalizes those who use the library most, I would suggest that the 10 edit minimum either be abolished or a valid criterion be adopted instead. DMBanks1 (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com (again)

Was working fine yesterday .. today ... I log into the Wikipedia library and go to access Newspapers.com and get to a page that just says "start a free trial" instead of what used to appear "access from Wikipedia" (or something similar). Ealdgyth (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I also had this page today. It also logged me out. In my case, logging back in through newspapers.com and then logging in through TWL proxy fixed it. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 22:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm unable to make any searches via the "https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/" version of Newspapers.com. It gives the error:

> There was a problem loading the search results. Please try again. If the problem persists, please contact us.

It was working earlier today. The normal url Newspapers.com website search works, but (as we know) clicking through to any results requires a paid account.

PK-WIKI (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

PK-WIKI Every time I have ever had that unable to make searches error on any library collection, it ends up being that I need to clear my browser's OCLC cookies. I am not a technician and have no clue if that will work for you. Sam Walton told me to do that and it has worked for me. I can access newspapers.com through Wiki without any problem right now, so you might try that? SusunW (talk) 14:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I keep getting "There was a problem loading the search results. Please try again. If the problem persists, please contact us." now too. Clearing cookies seems to only help for a short time, then it occurs again. Very annoying. Connormah (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Problem with clippings

I've been having a problem for a couple weeks now wherein when I click on any clipping, they display for an instant and then redirect to an error page that says "This page is not available; This page is pending publication, has been removed or moved to a new location". The clippings are viewable if I transpose them from www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/ to www.newspapers.com. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: A separate talk page exists for Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com, where the issue is mentioned. By following the usual routine of copying, pasting and modifying, the clipping is visible when inserted into a Wiki page. DMBanks1 (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know when you transpose the URL, it’s viewable. I acknowledged this above. But it’s incredibly annoying and inefficient not to be able to view the urls in the native library version of the site. Is someone working on resolving this? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: I suspect nobody is resolving the matter. If you contact Nick by continuing the "Error message" thread on the Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com page, he might know more. DMBanks1 (talk) 21:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Springer and Nature not accessible

Me and several other users at WP:PALEO have noticed that over the last few days that while you can still login to Springer and Nature's Wikipedia library login, it doesn't provide you any access to the closed access material that it would have done maybe two weeks earlier. Has anyone else noticed this? Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I've noticed this too, though I've no idea when this access was dropped. I no longer have TWL access to articles in Paleontological Journal or Entomological Review that I used to have, e.g. [1] Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)