Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Six

Moving Thunderbolts

Thunderbolts is now May 2 as per here, before Fantastic Four. So looks like everything regarding Thunderbolts here has to move to the Phase 5 page. — SirDot (talk) 16:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

We should see if any news sites pick up on this. I'd say we give it a bit, but yeah we could go back to the notion of the previous SDCC where Thunderbolts was said to be the last Phase Five film, and FF was starting Phase Six. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

We had moved Thunderbolts to Phase Six based on our own assumption Fantastic Four would still be the first film of that Phase (instead of them just switching phases for example). Moving Thunderbolts back to Phase Five would put us back in line with reliable sources. —El Millo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

The only reason I reverted an IP's prior move was because I thought we should discuss this first. I agree we could probably move Thunderbolts back per the sources in that draft calling it the last film of Phase Five, though that could have changed given we don't have an updated phase order from Marvel themselves and we're not sure if the trades got those bits from the outdated SDCC order. The Digital Spy ref we are currently using is still not the best for this order, but there is WP:NORUSH and no harm in waiting for further clarification. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately outside of publications making decisions themselves now, I don't think we'll get an updated Phase indication from Marvel themselves until SDCC. So if nothing useful comes out in the immediate, let's go back to how it was with Thunderbolts as the end of Phase Five. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I concur, as well. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI, here is CBR doing what I assumed, making the call about Thunderbolts now starting Phase Six with info I don't believe has come from Disney or Marvel through any official means. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that looks like an assumption to me. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I also agree. I don't think Thunderbolts was ever confirmed to be Phase Six, aside from that Digital Spy ref. — SirDot (talk) 19:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Any objections to moving Thunderbolts back to Phase Five, and retaining Fantastic Four as the start of Phase Six? Haven't really seen any publications like THR make these claims that Thunderbolts would stay Phase Six. @SirDot, Facu-el Millo, Trailblazer101, and Adamstom.97: - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I support moving it back to Phase Five now as opposed to later given it was never confirmed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I think it should be moved back. I was never in favor of it moving in the first place. Yes the date changed, but there were never reliable sources saying it was phase six, other than old ones saying F4's original date started the phase, which was before lots delays. -- ZooBlazer 18:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I support moving it back. Having Thunderbolts as the first film of Phase Six is kind of a big assumption. — SirDot (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I also support moving it back. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I have moved it back now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Trail. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Cameron Squires Fantastic Four

Could someone remove mention of Cameron Squires as a writer on fantastic four? The playlist article cited mentions him as a writer on Star Trek 4, not ff, and no trade article has mentioned him working on ff. 2601:40E:8103:9180:924:53D:4283:4007 (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The interview specifically states that Squires worked with Friedman on a draft of The Fantastic Four for Shakman after also working together on Stark Trek 4. A lack of trades mentioning this does not mean it is somehow inaccurate. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Did Shakman provide any specific news or names about “Fantastic Four”? Yes, a new writer on the film: “WandaVision” scribe Cam Scquires worked on a draft of the film with “Avatar: Way Of Water” co-writer Josh Friedman. Shakman also worked with Friedman on the script for the “Star Trek 4” movie that never materialized. “I came on [to “Star Trek 4”] and worked with Josh Friedman, who I’m working with on “Fantastic Four” now, and Cam Squires, who I’d worked with on “WandaVision,” and we worked on a draft together, which was tremendous fun.

Shakman only stated that Squires worked on Star Trek 4, which had been previously reported. The article writer appears to mistake this for Squires having worked on FF with Friedman, when Shakman actually meant that the two of them wrote a Star Trek draft together as reported. Again, Squires has never been mentioned as a writer anywhere else. Deadline listed the films writers a few months ago- “Matt Shakman (WandaVision) is directing from a script by Eric Pearson, Josh Friedman, Jeff Kaplan, and Ian Springer. Peter Cameron (WandaVision) has also done some writing on the project” It would be strange to make such a comprehensive list and leave off a writer. 2601:40E:8103:9180:924:53D:4283:4007 (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I feel like this may be a WP:Verifiability, not truth situation. I myself had questioned Squires' involvement when this Deadline article did not mention him but did note Peter Cameron, and I had reached out to Deadline at that time for clarity but did not receive any. I'm not sure if The Playlist staff would respond to a question about a months old article or not, though it is worth a try. This wouldn't be the first time what sites have said has been misinterpreted as signaling another writer was involved when it wasn't the case. It feels to be quite the mistake when The Playlist positioned their statement of a new writer so prominently in that section, though it is entirely possible that the source itself misinterpreted Shakman's comments here, which do admittedly seem to be a bit cagey with the site's wording. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Reexamining the quote, I can see how it can be read that Shakman was referring to both for Star Trek 4, not FF. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The Playlist cites Shakman's quote as their source that Squires is writing, and the quote does not state that Squires has worked on FF. That Deadline article is far from the only example of Squires not being included in lists of writers- see mention of Eric Pearson's hiring- and it's doubtful that someone with access to the knowledge of who is working on a script would only credit Friedman and not his collaborator. Again, this is pretty clearly The Playlist (which doesn't do much original reporting on things like this nowadays) misinterpreting Shakman's quote, and as such I believe we should list the credits as they have been described in the trades. 2601:40E:8103:9180:EDED:986E:627B:60BB (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Reading the quote again, I agree that it doesn't support Squires working on the film. However, the article does clearly say that he was. I don't think we can necessarily claim that they only said that because of their own misreading of the quote. I think we need a reliable source to come out and say this was a mistake and he was never involved. Being left off a list by a different website is not proof that he was never involved. Most websites, including the trades, just copy-and-paste stuff from their previous articles when putting together history/context paragraphs in their new articles. If they never reported on Squires at the time then that could explain why he isn't included in their history of what writers worked on the film. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Trailblazer101, Favre1fan93, and Adamstom.97: New source from Deadline after the SDCC, https://deadline.com/2024/07/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-marvel-comic-con-1236021939/ and they mentioned Eric Pearson, Josh Friedman, Jeff Kaplan, Ian Springer and Peter Cameron, but not Cameron Squires, and I think Deadline is more reliable than The Playlist, so we should remove him now? What do you think?--87.5.162.91 (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, The Hollywood Reported said the same thing, without mentioning Cameron Squires--87.5.162.91 (talk) 13:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2024

in films change avengers 5 subheading to avengers the Kang dynasty as that is the official name of the film/movie 173.72.3.91 (talk) 17:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 18:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Fantastic Four needs it’s own article.

Fantastic Four starts filming on Tuesday, and enters production. Because of this it should have its own article. Helicopter333 (talk) 09:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Helicopter333 If that is the case, then Draft:The Fantastic Four: First Steps will be moved to the mainspace once filming actually commences. -- Alex_21 _TALK 09:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Michael Waldron

Is Michael Waldron still the screenwriter for Avengers 5 and 6? Variety says "Stephen McFeely ... He takes over from Michael Waldron, who was originally tasked with writing the script to The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars", so we should remove him or not? 87.5.162.91 (talk) 23:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

We retain prior writers after new ones are known unless we know the prior writers' work has been discarded or won't be credited. That is why we don't mention Loveness for Doomsday but retain Waldron for both that and SW. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)