User talk:Caerwine

Archives? I ain't got no... stinking archives!

I do however have links to snapshots of what was on my talk page just before each time I trimmed the excess away.

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Latin Abbreviations

A place for people to comment on the table I compiled. It isn't intended to be comprehensive, just list the ones that are both common and useful. Caerwine 13:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

• I think the list you have compiled is generally okay. Personally, I'd only advocate using e.g. and i.e., and occasionally cf. (which you've not included). Latinate terms such as ibid and et al are not ideal for referencing use on Wikipedia, though that doesn't mean they can't be used. Happy editing, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 14:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Looks great. Please eliminate the first two columns. --Tysto 14:20, 2005 August 9 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award

		Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award
		I Hpfan9374, hereby award you with the Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award, for contributing an especially large body of work without sacrificing quality. Hpfan9374 08:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Smile

I had sent you a smile - but someone deleted the template! Oh well ... Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 10:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've re-written my own one - so you won't have to do without!

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) has smiled at you! Smiles are good! and hopefully this one has made your day better. Why not smile at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend? Happy editing!

DYK

On 15 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joe McDoakes, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 09:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 22:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Full text from the Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting

RE: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting

I started to talk about the forest for the trees, starting to ramble, so I added my full, unedited feelings here:

Excellent points Caerwine, is it possible to accomplish all three without discouraging new editors from editing this page? I notice the process to create stubs has become complex too. Did you have a part in creating this policy? If so great job, I am only suggesting minor tweeks. I look forward to consensus on this.

I am going to give up before I even started. My change was quickly deleted by an editor who has built this page. [1] I am sincerly not trying to invade anyones turf.

That said, in regards to WP:OWN, who owns this page, a couple of well established editors, or the wikipedia communitee? Consensus is vital, I agree, unfortunatly Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep and the Iron law of oligarchy come into effect, causing a Trip to Abilene. In plain English: established editors who created this page become jealous of its work and become entrenched and resitant to change, causing unintented, good or bad side effects.

Please keep in mind Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep. I have noticed that this is just one of several pages (The RfC page is probably the absolute worst example) as established editors become more and more established, they become more resitant to any change, and build more and more rules to protect what they have created and invested there time in creating. RWV 05:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Responses here

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting RWV 05:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

{{US-screen-actor-stub}}

Done, and also un-upmerged the largest five templates, and created another two which were of comparable population. I'm using data that's now about a month old, so it's possible I've missed some newer members that do have birth dates (or that have acquired birth date categories during that time). Alai 03:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

As you were, I think I've managed to catch most of those too (by somewhat brute-force means). Just the small matter of 200+ with no DoB cats at all... Alai 04:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, done -tv- and -film- also. Alai 06:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

{{IR-stub}}

I've added some comments at the deletion page, can you take a look at them please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Collective China-uni-upmerger?

If I understand what you're saying currently, the net effect would be to delete Category:Republic of China university stubs, and to create a new permcat. If that's correct, you should probably tag that stub cat for deletion, and I don't know if you want to create the new permcat "on spec", or wait until closure (though obviously what SFD decides technically has little bearing on the permies). I think I might leave this one open a few days longer, after which it'll doubtless end up at DRV one way or another... Alai 01:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've closed it, as best as I could under the circumstances. Since neither consensus nor consistency is evident at the moment, I'd ideally not like to leave it in a "transitional state" for longer than necessary. Alai 23:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For your help on United States Army enlisted rank insignia of World War II. Its always nice to see the collective WP editorial mind pitch in and improve things. Well done. — MrDolomite • Talk 02:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback on the stub issue - I'll have to study the biography project template. May I come back to you if I have questions? If not, is there someone you know who has taken a special interest in newbies to template design? (I have programming expertise so its a matter of a new language, not programming concepts) Egfrank 00:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Casamance

Casamance had been a Portuguese colony until the Franco-Portuguese treaty in 1888. Casamance has been historically and culturally attached to Portuguese Guinea rather than the rest of today's Senegal. There is a deep-rooted "creole" community in Casamance who until this day preserve their Portuguese surnames. The lingua franca of Guinea-Bissau, Upper Guinea Kriol language also has a widespread presence in Casamance. In this language, Casamance is named Casamança (or Casamansa, depending on orthographic preference) as it is in Portuguese. More? Behemoth 01:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Canada vs. Canadian

See my plea. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 15:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

NATO rank templates

You've just had an encounter with Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr, under his recent sock 88.155.107.101 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Head to WP:AN#Roitr if you're interested. --Dmitry _{(talk •contibs )} 13:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Sir Anthony Cooke

I think you added him to the category British Nobility stubs. AFAIK, he never had a title and was gentry rather than nobility. Am I missing something? Rjm at sleepers 10:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Mainland China

Do let me know if you need further elaborations. I understand it could be difficult to know why the term exists. Cheers. - Privacy 09:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

See reply at my talk page. - Privacy 15:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Xiaolin Showdown

Are you planning to do anything with those Xiaolin Showdown subpages you have? There is a related afd going on here. Jay32183 00:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

author-stub

Thanks for that....can't think why I didn't search for it.~ Giggy! ^Talk _Contribs 05:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

SFD-logging

When removing transcluded daily pages from the main SFD listing, do remember to add them to the monthly log page. Otherwise, they might end up roaming the Wiki as sad and lonely orphans forever... Alai 07:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007

The April 2007 issue of the WikiProject Biography newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you BetacommandBot 18:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Yunan

That's fine by me. --334 01:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Alians translation

You can have look now, I'm not sure I got Islamic terminology right, but the rest should be comprehensible. --Cameltrader 20:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive!

WikiProject Biography is holding a three month long assessment drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unassessed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2007 – September 1, 2007.

Awards to be won range from delicacies such as the WikiCookie to the great Golden Wiki Award.
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Arbil

Whould you please discuss, instead of beginnig with a Editwar [[2]] ?. I am a participant of kurdish Project.--Bohater 21:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish-stub

I think you jumped the gun there a bit by speedy deleting it. I'd managed to have a confab with Bohater on his talk page about it, and when I had last checked he was applying the stub in a reasonable fashion rather than on everything remotely related to Kurdishness.

He may have been applying it reasonably, but others weren't. Of the 25 or so articles marked with it, several were Iran or Iraq geo-stubs, Iranian politicians of Kurdish descent, and the like. Only about 10-12 of of the articles marked with it were actually directly Kurdish-specific, of which one wasn't a stub and in one case it was one of seven stub templates on the article. And that's the sort of problem we're likely to run into pretty quickly unless we can nail this down to specific limits. Perhaps if it can be given strict parameters that don't mess with other stubs, like the roma-stub, then it would be worthwhile, and I'm open to any proposal that does suggest such a scheme - but unfortunately, that isn't how it was being used. (I've replied a bit more on my talk page). Grutness...wha? 05:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

{{Assyrian-stub}} / CAT:Assyrian stubs

I think you should calm down with deleting the Assyrian-stub from every Assyrian person just because you, in all your ignorance, consider them "not notable". You're not an expert on every Assyrian, and you don't know whether they're notable or not. For instance, Sargis Bkheera is indeed a very notable Assyrian, and his Wikipedia entry is as of now, a stub. Hence, the Assyrian stub in his case is just fine. By the way, the Assyrian flag is much more contemporary to the Assyrian nation at the moment, than Ashurbanipal. EliasAlucard|Talk 20:21, 14 Jun, 2007 (UTC)

I go by what's in the article text when restubbing articles. While the articles in question all indicated that the persons had Assyrian ancestry, none of them asserted that they were notable because they were Assyrian. I'm sorry that you don't seem to comprehend the difference between the two. Stubs are like categories so Wikipedia:Overcategorization applies, even moreso, given the need to keep the number of stub types down to a manageable number and to limit the number of stub types applied to an article. Caerwine Caer’s whines 23:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Sargis Bahirâ

An article that you have been involved in editing, Sargis Bahirâ, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sargis Bahirâ. Thank you. -- Merope 18:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tec

Hi, I did the following search on google 'Technician Fourth Grade tec', and it came up with multiple examples of the use of the shortened form TEC, so it would seem the it is used - perhaps that part of user kellygorge's edits could be left in? - I point out though that I have absolutely no knowledge of the subject, regards sbandrews (t) 17:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

"Technician Fourth Grade" tec gets 38 hits while "Technician Fourth Grade" tech has some 414 hits. So on the basis of Google hits Tech has the better claim. In any case, both Tec 4 and Tech 4 appear to be unofficial variants of the official abbreviation "T/4". If anything, the only mentioned abbreviation should probably be T/4. Caerwine Caer’s whines 17:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

thx for the ping :) Good analysis, but I get the feeling that your fellow editor has a sentimental attachment to the term 'tec' which although unoffical does at least have some grounding its common usage, though to be sure 38 google hits isn't many I wouldn't stand in the way of such an addition myself - wiki isn't paper and all that - couldn't you let it pass and hope that appeases him/her? Of course I would respect your principles if you were to say no, regards sbandrews (t) 18:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But I do have knowledge because I was a Tec 4 reffered to as a Tec Sergeant. Look at articles written by World War II Vets. They called themselves Tec Sergeants not Technical SergeantsOr T/ SGTS. We did have many specialties from a cook as your father was (by the way a friend of mine was a cook who was killed during the Battle of The Bulge his name was Ford from Boston) you give your father not much credit, I assume. But we were Combat Specialist not Combat Command that held many responsibilities from cook to medics etc. that could be called upon in combat to be second in command if necessary. A T5 was a corporal who could also be called upon. A T3 as your father was and always will be a Tec Sergeant not Technical Sergeant abbreviated by the military as T/Sgt. Talk to a WWII Vet you will learn so much more. Things are not always as rigid as we believe. Also to abreviate it as a Tech is incorrect that abreviation is used for Technical Sergeants, I guess what you are strongly trying to protect. It was Tec to distinguish a Technician. However,you are correct when you previously stated that it was a grade and not class. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellygorge (talk • contribs)

You need to understand that wikipedia demands verifiablity of anything added to an article. Other users are quite within their rights to remove any information that isn't sourced with an inline citation like this[3] (although it is good form to use a fact tag or discuss on the talk page first). You mention articles written by World War II Vets, could you find some links and include them on the talk page or in the article - others will be more than happy to help you with formatting etc., best wishes sbandrews (t) 08:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind help, There are sites under Tec Sergeant that veterans have posted. Also there numerous references to Tec Sergeants on Websites. Images of wonderfull veteran markers are on google with inscriptions Tec 4 from the VA. World War II veterans know what we were. The movie saving private ryan which i believe used the army extensivly for information had the tec 5 radio man i believe, put in service as a corporal as should have been in combat situation. the medic a Tec 4 in this movie could have been used as 2nd in command if necessary. We were Combat Specialist as opposed to combat command refered to as sergant or corporal but known as Tec Sergeants not Technical sergeants. Our discharges have Tec 4 not tech4 on them and some discharges actually had Tec Sergeants.but thank you anyway. If more older veterans could see this, you would understand, but we are not enough and most who are still alive do not know how to use this system. as you can see i am not good at it either. thank you again

if you can fight a war you can edit wikipedia :) As you can see above caerwine's argument is that tec was not used as much as tech, and that both are unofficial - I'm not sure that is in itself a strong enough argument to keep *any* mention of tec off the article, but you need to work together to find a compromise you are both happy with, perhaps putting the reference to tec lower down on the page rather than in the lead sentence? In any event please bear in mind that repeatedly reverting the edits of more experienced (or indeed any) users is very rarely a successful procedure, especially as, in your case, you are in need of help from those same users to help correct and format your entries. A much better strategy is to engage in discussion on the talk page - and better for us all as you seem to have a lot of interesting things to say, kind regards sbandrews (t) 22:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

AFD

Travis Tedford is nominated for deletion.Vectorsap 00:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)