User talk:Anthony Appleyard/2007/July-September

Please put new messages at the end of this page. Anthony Appleyard 08:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

MY OLD MESSAGES

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Vandalism warning master copy

== Vandalism warning ==
At xxxx you, or someone using your [[Wikipedia:Username|username]] or [[IP address|Internet Protocol address]], [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalized]] the English Wikipedia page [[yyyy]]. Please stop this practice, or you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing in Wikipedia]]. ~~~~

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• On AfD vote page:-

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Move request

Hey, Anthony. I've responded to your comment on the move request page regarding the Bundesliga. Thanks, JHMM13^(Disc) 06:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Jetpack (computer game)

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Jetpack (computer game), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Whispering 13:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Dab formatting

As I'm going through your recent edits, I see you have been formatting disambiguation page entries with a colon:

• topic: description

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) shows the use of a comma instead, and this is how I have always seen it done:

• topic, description

Sorry to berate you with style issues, but it seems to me it takes far less work to do things right (in this case right meaning internally consistent) the first time, so I'm letting you know for future reference. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 16:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude, whats your problem?

I'm working here! What is your problem?

~wroehl —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wroehl (talk • contribs) 20:19, July 2, 2007 (UTC) 20:21, 2 July 2007 User:Flyguy649

• Sorry, Anthony, the above comment wasn't from me. I have your talk and user pages watchlisted (I don't recall why) and I encountered Wroehl blanking your talk and user pages. I reverted, and then he left the above message with a personal attack in it. I removed the personal attack, and forgot to add the {{subst:unsigned2}} for his comment. He's apparently irked about something that got deleted. I have no idea what, since his talk page didn't have anything on it from you. (It was Alex Roehl, which you deleted, although it was evidently tagged by someone else). I had a discussion with him about NPA, notability and civility. You can see our interactions both on my talk page and his. Please contact me if you have any more questions. Cheers! Flyguy649^talk_contribs 01:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I also removed the personal attacks in my talk page. I meant to do it earlier, but I got distracted. Flyguy649^talk_contribs 05:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Vilwamangalam Swamiyar

I believe this page can be CSD'd as blatent spam. It has 94 Google hits and is non-notable in general. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 22:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Move cleanup

Thanks for helping me clean up my mess. The redirects that need to be cleaned up are: Template:WikiProject Marching band/Userboxes/project member, Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Marching band/Userboxes/project member, and User WikiProject Marching band. -- Upholder 22:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Guru Granth Sahib

That large section you moved to Hindu influence on the Guru Granth Sahib appears to be a copyvio of this page. I took a quick look at the version of Guru Granth Sahib prior to the date of the topix.net post and did not see the material, so I am thinking it was added later. I have tagged Hindu influence on the Guru Granth Sahib as a copyvio. If you disagree, please feel free to revert my tag or recreate the article. Thanks! -- But|seriously|folks  18:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Original Barnstar
		Anthony Appleyard, thank you for two moves, Spacewar! and Ceresota Building. -Susanlesch 10:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Magnecule

However, both the references on the page are Santilli's own work. No reliable secondary sources at all. Also "magnecule" only gets 113 unique Ghits [1] many of which are irrelevant. Since it's referenced and explained in Santilli's article, isn't this article somewhat redundant? EliminatorJR ^Talk 11:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Dattatreya Laxman Patwardhan

I edited the information so it is now a stub and verifiable. Could you remove the speedy delete marker on this? There are no Google hits, (which is what I think no ghits means), but this is new information on the web, as most of the information was derived from Marathi sources, with references to very old English publications. Niketkp 16:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Dab pages

A few more style issues with dab pages (you should really read over WP:MOSDAB): strive to include only one navigable link per entry, do not include external links on dab pages, do not include periods at the end of entries, and group "see also" entries into a separate section at the end. Also, entries should not usually contain the word "is", as in "Entry is a blah", but rather a comma, as each entry can be thought of as completing the sentence "Term can refer to ... entry, a blah". If you have a problem with these style precedents, bring it up on the talk page. Again, just trying to save some work by getting things right the first time. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 21:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Promisance

I don't believe deleting the article on promisance was necessary, as i found it useful, and would otherwise have been unable to find resources on promisance. i would like to request it either be undeleted, or that you could post the links contained withing that page on my userpage so i could find the resources regarding promisance again Rainfall10110 07:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ftr

A poll is currently being conducted at Talk:Ftr#Requested move to decide whether to move the article to FTR (bus). Your input would be appreciated. --Jorvik 10:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

James Warner's page

About my article I wrote

I recently wrote an article about a website called fanpop.com, I then got an email from one of the staff at fanpop.com saying this: -

"Thanks for posting this. I did see it when it was up and it looked pretty good"

I then checked Wikipedia and the article had been deleted

I rather obviously have permission for creating that article and I did not write any incorrect information so I do not see any reason why it was deleted; could you please tell me why. 15:24, 8 July 2007 User:James Warner

• What was your page called? There is no deleted page called fanpop.com. Anthony Appleyard 15:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Must have been called fanpop (without the .com bit)

21:48, 5 July 2007 Anthony Appleyard (Talk|contribs) deleted "Fanpop" (content was:' {{db-web}} Fanpop (http://www.fanpop.com/) is a website made by Dave Lu, Dave (aka Papa), Cliff and Michael. It is network of user-generated fansite...')"

15:50, 8 July 2007 User:James Warner

• Please sign your messages by putting four tildes ~~~~ at their ends.
• At 21:36, 5 July 2007 User:Brichcja speedy-delete-tagged it "This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: It is an article about a web site, blog, online forum, webcomic, podcast, or similar web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. (CSD A7)". Anthony Appleyard 16:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
• (tried to post more information but it came up with some dumb stuff, never mind) 16:18, 8 July 2007 User:James Warner

A Simple Heart Redirection

I found the "A Simple Heart" redirection to be useful. I read a lot of the Wikipedia guidelines and it said if someone thinks a redirection is useful then it probably is, even though it may not be to you, and if it is useful to someone then it is not a candidate for deletion, certainly not speedy deletion. Panzer raccoon! 17:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• I have restored A Simple Heart. Its edit history will show who speedy-delete-tagged it: it was User:NickW557 at 16:53, 8 July 2007. Anthony Appleyard 18:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Chicken Grill

Hello, I saw that this page (Ultimate Chicken Grill) I created was deleted. I would like to know why this is. All information on the page was properly sourced, and accurate. There was no disputable content. Everything is verifiable against the Wendy's website. If this is because it is about a product, there was nothing that was not NPOV, and there are many articles on food products.

Please see Category: Wendy's foods Which is a cateogry that I am working to broaden on Wikipedia. There are many articles on foods from McDonald's, Burger King etc.

Thanks in advance for your response! --Nenyedi ^TalkDeeds_@ 23:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• It was speedy-delete-tagged as not notable at 21:42, 8 July 2007 by User:Roger Davies. Across the world there are thousands of named types of snacks sold at takeaway food shops.

To point to a category, write it as e.g. [[:Category:Wendy's foods]] with an extra colon at the start, not with nowiki codes.

Anthony Appleyard 05:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Space Patrol

Hi. Sorry about that, I thought you hadn't seen the dablink at the top of the page. It appears there needs to be another dablink up there, and I'm not sure we need to disambiguate both shows called Space Patrol. Is one the primary topic? -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Plain Space Patrol better be the disambig page, or point to Space Patrol (disambiguation). Anthony Appleyard 20:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't we tend to use a dab page only when there's 3 or more topics, or no clear primary topic? Dablinks are pretty good at handling situations where there are only two. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
• Space Patrol currently has 4 alternatives. I have seen plenty of disambig pages with 2 or 3 alternatives. Anthony Appleyard 20:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Four, wow. I've seen dab pages for two items as well, but I've also often moved the primary topic over such pages and left disambiguation to be handled by a hatlink. There's not one fixed way to do it. It sounds like what we want is for Space Patrol to be a general disambig page. After that, we've got options. (A) Move the 1962 series to Space Patrol (TV series), with a hatlink to point at Space Patrol (1950s). (B) Make Space Patrol (TV series) a redirect to Space Patrol. (C) Make Space Patrol (TV series) redirect to Space Patrol (1962 TV series), and put a {{redirect}} tag there.... You get the idea. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Alan West histmerge not complete?

Hi Anthony. I still don't see the history of the old Alan West article from before 9 July. It's not in either the old or the new article. I assume it would normally get moved (or copied) to be under the new one? Thanks, EdJohnston 22:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

R.S. Promotion

Would you please restore the article about RS Public Company Limited? Like GMM Grammy and Sahamongkol Film International, it is one of the larger entertainment companies in Thailand. It isn't spam. It was a good faith effort by an unbiased editor to expand English Wikipedia's coverage about Thailand and businesses in Thailand. Thank you! — WiseKwai 02:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I just want to add that the article R.S. Promotion had a lot of links, which are now disrupted because of this deletion. — WiseKwai 05:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring RS Public Company Limited. I can see why it was deleted and why it fell off my radar during my wikibreak. It was improperly moved from R.S. Promotion after a lot of problematic changes were made by another editor. The current name is more correct. What I hope to accomplish is to revert the contents to an earlier, less-spammy version of R.S. Promotion, but under the new name. Some admin magic will need to be worked to properly merge the article histories. Thanks for your help. — WiseKwai 07:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again! That's got it. — WiseKwai 08:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested Moves - Layla

• Two associated moves relating to "Layla" were placed on the requested move page on 9 July and immediately moved into the incomplete section for lacking a discussion area on a talk page. You have now carried out those moves without there ever being any discussion. Surely that isn't how the RM page should work ? -- Beardo 03:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• I have put the requested move entry back, with a "Discuss" link. Anthony Appleyard 04:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

History of the People's Republic of Bulgaria history move

• The move of the article to "History of Communist Bulgaria" is abusive and ignores the more common name (as shown by Google Books and Google Scholar). I thought Admins checked the new title before completing a request... Moreover, no double redirects were fixed.Anonimu 07:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• That depends on whether this or that reader considers the word "Communist" to be abusive. I here in England have seen many times such expressions as "In Communist times in nation XXX, YYY happened." without it being intended to be abusive or politically loaded. Anthony Appleyard 08:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Isn't wiki based on npov and most common names? The new article title respects neither (according to marxist, trotskyist and other left wing movements, calling Eastern European countries "communist" is an insult to the communist ideology; note also that no Eastern European country, Soviet Union included, ever proclaimed itself a communist state). BTW, "communist regime", "communist party rule", "communist government" (all apply to Bulgaria in 1945-1989) doesn't necessarily imply "communist country" or "communist society" (which Bulgaria never was).Anonimu 12:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• In Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen I found this entry: "History of the People's Republic of Bulgaria was cut & pasted to History of Communist Bulgaria. History of Communist Bulgaria needs most of the history merged from History of the People's Republic of Bulgaria. Biruitorul 01:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)", so I obeyed it.
• We seem also to have run into another UK/USA spelling difference. Most times "Communist" is written in Britain, it has a capital C, and "communist" without a capital C seems to me to be a specifically USA spelling. Anthony Appleyard 14:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• So, you say that if I'd moved the article about Soviet Union to "The Evil Empire" and then I'd ask the merger of history on that page, someone would do it? Anonimu 16:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Someone, perhaps. I would likely have histmerged if necessary, and then moved it back to Soviet Union with edit comment "rv vandalism" or similar. We seem to be back to whether the word "Communist" is to be treated as merely an NPOV descriptor or as politically loaded. British and USA attitudes towards Communism seem to differ: for example, in British newspapers it always has a capital C. Anthony Appleyard 16:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Then what's the use of having humans do this operation? Since this merging of history is based only on request, I think a bot would be perfect for this job. Or maybe even a minor change of the software to allow the merging of history every time an article is moved. As i've said, "communist" in NPOV only in some collocations ("c. party", "c. regime", "c. government"), but it's certainly not in "c. x-country" (except the case when x-country claims to be communist, thing that never happened in Europe, and probably in the World). Also, I thought the title of an article should be the most common name of that subject.Anonimu 17:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Whether this page ends up with the name History of the People's Republic of Bulgaria or the name History of Communist Bulgaria, the histmerge needed to be done to repair after the cut-and-paste move that someone made. The edit comments in the history of the page History of Communist Bulgaria give an impression of edit war. After all that trouble, User:Biruitorul's edit comment at 01:21 on 11 July 2007 said "Just stop. Let's use the common, simpler name and use our time more productively.". Anthony Appleyard 21:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• I could have agreed with his comment... only if that wasn't a lie... the more common name (as used in the scientific world -Google Books & Scholar- not on personal blogs and forums) is "People's Republic of Bulgaria".Anonimu 08:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• I have started a new "move?" discussion re this page on Wikipedia:Requested moves. Anthony Appleyard 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Airvana Deletion Request

• i create the page Airvana just a few days back... link today i came to know that company's policies does not allow this.. So please remove that page... in 2005 someone created that page and after some time it was deleted because of copyright issue... 12:11, 11 July 2007 User:Gaurav.pal
• Best mention it on the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airvana (2nd nomination). See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airvana. Anthony Appleyard 14:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• i have done that. now please resolve the issue. gapal... 04:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• hey i did not get you. i was talking about Airvana... that "i have done that. now....." as written just a few lines above.gapal... 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• OK, I have mentioned it in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airvana (2nd nomination), which see. Anthony Appleyard 05:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Move Request for Jew Article

• Why did you delete my move request? Please explain. Thewebthsp 17:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Your move request for Jew is still present and correct, just before the section-header Wikipedia:Requested moves#July 9, 2007. Nobody deleted it. Anthony Appleyard 22:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Related to the subject, it seems you also deleted my Dharma Initiative request, in the same edit even: [2]. Was there any reason for this, because I'm about to add it back? --DocNox 23:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• I have now restored all the matter deleted from Wikipedia:Requested moves in the edit pointed to above. These deletions were certainly not my intention: I can only conclude that the cause was a software editing glitch, perhaps caused by me and someone else (who perhaps was moving items about in the course of "housekeeping") trying to edit Wikipedia:Requested moves at the same time. When an editing clash happens (i.e. two or more people trying to edit the same text at the same time), the resulting process may lead to one editor's actions being attributed to another editor. Anthony Appleyard 05:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You deleted the Eric Page article and drubbed it as nonsense. Check out the Balls of Steel page on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balls_of_Steel_%28TV_series%29 Pratyush