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IF your edits are good faith, mine are as well, so stop removing mine. I have been to over 200 other wikipedia pages in the past day and NONE of them have as much references as you are requiring the Chantal Claret page to have. Take a look, you are being much to strict and bullying ONE PAGE. None of these things are lies and if you went and looked for proof of them in the REAL world you would see they are ALL FACTS so please go pick on someone else. Look at ANY OTHER PAGE and not every single line is made to have a reference. This is ridiculous. Please leave it alone already, what are you getting out of this?

Bis (Scottish band)

A tag has been placed on Bis (Scottish band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. If you plan to provide more material to the article, I advise you to do so immediately, and also put a note on Talk:Bis (Scottish band). An administrator should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 1 under Articles. Please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources which verify their content. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and then immediately add such material. Adam Riley ^Talk 05:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Nokia's old "Connecting People" font

It is Times Roman. There's no official word from Nokia that they used Times Roman, companies never do that. But, if you have Word or other word processing or graphics software, you can test it yourself.

First, see this screenshot I just made: [1]. Now, compare it to the Nokia logo: [2]

I used font Times New Roman, because I don't have Times Roman on my Windows system. Now, the large C and P are written using font size 48, while the rest of the letters use font size 36 — all letters are written using capital letters.

Yes, you can see some negligible differences between the two, like the "P" letter which is slightly different from the logo. However, didn't I say I used TIMES NEW ROMAN. If you look at the Times Roman article, it says there are some minor stylistic differences between the two. As I said, the old Nokia logo uses Times Roman, and here's a screenshot of a Times Roman printout, where there's a 100% identical P (and the rest of the letters the logo uses): http://www.identifont.com/samples/adobe/Times.gif. Finally, compare it to Times New Roman I used in Word: http://www.identifont.com/samples/adobe/TimesNewRoman.gif.

You don't need any more references or citations than that. ---Majestic- 22:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:OR to me. (I kid, I kid.) Ben Hocking ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

There are many fonts similar enough to Times New Roman and many copies. Unless you have a specific citation then its not proven and as pointed out my Ben Hocking, that is all OR not a citation which wikipedia requires --Neon white 03:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

1994 etc

Hi Neon white. Please be very careful when using the word "vandalism" on Wikipedia. Accusing another user of vandalism when removing unsourced or material sourced from blogs, forums or other unreliable sources is entirely inappropriate, and tends to highlight either a lack of experience with WP practices, or that an editor feels they WP:OWN a particular article. It also completely fails to assume good faith, an essential quality for members of the WP community. With particular regard to One Nine Nine Four, hopefully you're now aware about the need for any WP content to be reliably sourced, and are getting a better idea of the style expected of WP articles. Give me a shout if you have any questions. Cheers, Deiz talk 11:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Please don't add your interpretation of the opinions of non-notable forum posters to encyclopedia articles. I trust I won't have to make this message any clearer. Deiz talk 00:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Visual kei Request for Comment

We've had two major re-writes to the page, 1 by someone living in Japan based on Japanese sources: [3] Another version by a recent editor: [4] Can you take a look at these and let us know what you think? Denaar 13:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Nimrod (slang)

You placed an {{unsourced}} tag on the article Nimrod (slang). The article presents two sources, though they were in an "External links" section rather than a "References" section, and are not footnoted since the article is all of one paragraph. This was merely a formatting mistake - not a lack of sources. I would politely suggest you take a bit more time to examine articles before slapping on cleanup tags which may not be necessary. — Swpb^talk|edits 22:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

as you pointed out, it wasnt sourced properly and the sources do not cover the entire article, therfore a tag was completely justified. --Neon white 00:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Alesana

Noticed that a few of your edits were in pages regarding the subgenres of hardcore. Requesting your opinion in Talk:Alesana. Thanks.

Your edits to emo

Neon,

Welcome to Wikipedia. I think the emo article can be greatly improved but to do that we need to use the right sort of sources. We have some good ones dotted throughout the Talk:Emo (slang) page. But the ones right now don't stand up to scruitny. The Daily Mail article, for example, has been widely ridiculed. Please help us to improve the article by adding better content with better citations. I will wait a little, but I will restore my changes shortly (if no-one else beats me to it).

Kind regards,

Cedars 10:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I am well aware that the article can be improved. The daily mail and new york times articles are verifiable sources according to all wikipedia guidelines, popular reaction to one of them is not relevant at all and does not change it's status as a reliable source. Deleting cited text after you have been warned will be considered vandalism of the article. Please discuss all changes properly on the relevant discussion page. --Neon white 13:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Awkwardanniecover.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Awkwardanniecover.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 07:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Rationale for album covers

Noticed that the album cover for Awkward Annie by Kate Rusby that you uploaded has just been tagged non-free use. I had a lot of the covers I uploaded tagged so just thought I'd help you out 'cos I didn't understand the bot message for ages. All you need to do is add a ratinoale for each use to complement the 'boiler plate' - you can see an example on one of my album covers here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Feist-monarch.jpg

Sorry if you already knew this! Take it easy mate Cavie78 13:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me mate! Cavie78 16:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

User Page

Please don't post on my user page. If you want to post use my discussion page. On the matter of Apples and Pears, I think you'll find that editor SocJan is the one who started not abiding by Wikipedia codes.Tony 20:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)Tony

Deletions from Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in fiction (boys)

You cannot just delete content from an article because you don't like it. The three works of Joseph Geraci had been removed by the author. I was restoring them. I assume you know the works. If so, why are you deleting a work that has the expression "perspectives of boy love" on the front cover (Dares to Speak)? Boy love is pedophilia. Loving Sander is also, without doubt, a story about pedophilia. Sander is a 12-year-old boy. A man loves him and has sex with him. That is pedophilia. The Deaf-Mute Boy is described on the cover as a love story. The relationship is between a man and a 13-year-old boy. Also, it is not necessary to have references/citations for every Wikipedia edit, though these are desirable. If you wish to argue for a work's deletion, please argue it on the talk page.Tony 13:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Tony

Any content that isn't sourced cam be deleted. Everything added to wikipedia has to be sourced without exception. That's the bottom line. That's how wikipedia works. It doesnt exist to publish you're original research. --Neon white 23:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Support for Neon white's comments above; request for support in deleting A + P OR material

Re: Your comments on Wikipedia policy and "Tony Sandel's" difficulties with them: After you (Neon white)in response to an RfC, deleted the OR plot summary of the story "Apples and Pears" on the eponymous page, Tony restored that material -- posting it on the GUY DAVENPORT page.

I would prefer not to delete this reverted A + P summary without first getting your agreement. (You may consider this note my support for deletion -- and retrospective support for your welcome action on the A + P page.) Thanks for taking an interest. SocJan 02:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Nazism

If you have comments concerning article's content, leave them on article's talk page. -- Vision Thing -- 17:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I did. --Neon white 17:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Nationalism

The problem is that there are many countries across the world where political parties are motivated by religious nationalism. Why single out India ? Also, nationalism is probably multi-faceted in a large, diverse country like India. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations 18:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the problem is that it can be argued that religious nationalism is the dominant expression of Pakistani, Israeli nationalism. I dont know that much about the Irish nationalism, I thought they were part of England. I dont think this is true in India's case (can provide good references if you want). Thanks. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations 22:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Dusks and Dawns

Hello. I noticed you decided to redirect From Dusk 'til Dawn to From Dusk Till Dawn, and moved the book to From Dusk 'til Dawn (book). That is fine. However in doing so you you have created a number of misleading links (see here) If you are going to move articles around and redirect the previous article somewhere else, it is your responsibility to ensure than links are updated accordingly by checking the "what links here" page. A good place to start would be Template:Alibend. Rockpocket 22:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Christopher_Mann_McKay

Ahem...just because you disagree with his removal of the quote does not make him a vandal. It's unduly self-serving to the organization and its founder, and it is not necessary for the notability of Campus Watch. DodgerOfZion (talk)

I agree with DodgerofZion, you need to read WP:VAND, which states:

Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism ... Do not use these [vandalism] templates in content disputes; instead, write a clear message explaining your disagreement.

It seems you are the one who has violated many policies/guidelines (WP:SELFPUB, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and WP:VAND). Please stop violating polices and accusing me of vandalism. Thank you. —Christopher Mann McKay^talk 21:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tokio Hotel

Hi!
The IP (or various IPs????) does not want to accept all our reverts and removals, I should say. Even a little discussion on the talk page does not convince this funny IP that TOKIO HOTEL indeed have claimed a lot of times that they consider Glam Rock part of their musical influences. I tried for a semi protection about 10 days ago but it was declined. :-(
Do you think I could have another chance for a semi protection if I tried a second time NOW?
--Fromgermany (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Tokio Hotel, part 2

Hi!
My request for protection was accepted. Unfortunately only semi and for two weeks. :-) Seems we must watch it again after a fortnight. :-(
--Fromgermany (talk) 09:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

discussion started about pedophilia list article

Please read the message I've left on the article's talk page about our dispute here. Your input would be greatly appreciated. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Westlife

The citation request tags were placed AFTER I removed the refimprove. I've scanned the whole article before I removed the tag. --Cahk (talk) 01:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I do not see anything wrong with that section but I've made citations on everything that can possibly be cited. --Cahk (talk) 21:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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I sort guidance after nominating the article for GA which resulted in extensive rewrite on the article. If you have any comments or suggestions, I welcome your feedback in making the article better. --Cahk (talk) 08:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Cascada

I disagree. Your analogy is not the correct one.

"Cascada" is a spanish word, from which the group derived their name, at least according to Natalie (who confirms that in the youtube video i put as a reference.).

Birmingham's BRMB pronounces it with /a:/. Natalie herself does that, and she has described herself as being English.

Please see the video and then re-consider your deductions.

Regards --Lord Anubis (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

A youtube video isn't really a good source, it's self published and potentially breaches copyright, we should reflect the colloquial popular pronounciation even if it is americanized. The other just sounds utterly wrong and have never heard it pronounced like that and i doubt it would be in many accents. I'm pretty sure the name was based on cascade. A spanish pronounciation would be different again. It would be kæˈskædə. --Neon white (talk) 17:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The source is not YOUTUBE, it is Natalie Horler in an interview with StarsGeneration.Com, the video of which happens to be on Youtube. Natalie also confirmed that Yanou (Yann Pfeiffer) who the one who had come up with the name (Cascada) and it means "Waterfalls" in Spanish. See that for yourself at 0:31 here. No mention of "Cascade".

--Lord Anubis (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's another one for you mate [5], English interview by French site ados.fr, Natalie again says Cascada (with /a:/).--Lord Anubis (talk) 17:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

She cannot be said to represent a popular pronounciation or dialect. Wikipedia requires pronounciation to be broad and that defintion is narrow and if it is based on spanish she is pronouncing it incorrectly. The source is youtube as they are the publisher, i doubt this particular user has copyright permission from the owner, this is why youtube is generally not acceptable as a source. [6] will help get a broad pronounciation. The ideal broad pro. would be /kæˈskadə/. This leaves the 'a' vague as dialect generally will change it. You cannot indicate a broad pro, when in fact it is narrow. --Neon white (talk) 17:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well then in the same way, you cannot base it on "Cascade" even if you claim that "Cascada" is a derivative of it. because as you know, some words (eg vineyard), though derived from another (eg vine) differ in pronunciation.--Lord Anubis (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting we should, i think it's best to keep it a broad definition to allow for differences in regional pronounciations considering the band is popular in many countries. --neonwhite user page talk 00:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Powerpuff Girls

I apologize for being rude to you. Anyway, I think that the info should stay deleted because they are sourced from unreliable sources. Please go over the whole discussion in the debate archive and find out why. I don't feel like explaining the whole thing right now. Marcus2 (talk) 03:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I just read Marcus's talk page, and you are threatening to block him. I don't think you have the power to do that. 70.101.160.105 (talk) 03:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I just read my talk page. I don't think IP 70.101.160.105 could have said what he/she said any better. I feel the same way. I guess it's a small world after all. Marcus2 (talk) 03:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Not at all, he/she is not new to wikipedia and neither are you, you both should know what warning templates are for and how they are used. --neonwhite user page talk 05:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I am using Plan Xander, you should know what I mean. Like you, I like to maintain Wikipedia and make it a good site. But nowaways, Vandalism and Fan Fictioners are causing trouble. And since I am in this Powerpuff Girls section of your Talk Page, I would like to say that I don't want to get involve in any war, fights or arguements. Let me know what you think about the "Once Popular" Powerpuff Girls. Should they stay, or go? Do explain to me how I will communicate with you if I made a wrong move, thanks. Adam Heart03 (talk) 06:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

SSP

I find this quite possible, do you have anything more to add that ties them together? — Rlevse • Talk • 17:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

You did not put the warning tags on their talk pages as the directions say, so I'm asking for input from them. I think they may be meat puppets vice socks. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that was my mistake. --neonwhite user page talk 15:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Pedophilia and Child Sexual Abuse in Fiction

I've just copied the article to a sandbox at my user page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SocJan/Sandbox and given it a new title along the lines that have been suggested, and a far less POV introduction. Have a look, see what you think. SocJan (talk) 02:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Technical and judgmental terms such as "pedophilia" and "sexual abuse" are not used here unless those terms appear in the work itself or in significant critical discussion of that work. Unless an annotation specifically indicates the presence of pedophilia or sexual abuse, such terms should not be expected to apply. I don't think that part is really necessary. --neonwhite user page talk 02:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Nintendocore

But the AFD was done, they kept it. ViperSnake151 15:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

edit: oh wait... nm. ViperSnake151 15:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Tokio Hotel

Listen to a real glam rock artist (if you know any other than supposidly Tokio Hotel) before believing anything that can only be found on one non English-speaking site. I must say that I'm unaware how Italy defines glam rock, yet if they are glam rock in the Italian sence, feel free to edit the Italian page but stay clear from the English page. Your bullheaded atitude does not make anything you said more true. Face the facts (look up Tokio Hotel in the All Music Guide which is way more reliable than mtv). Just out of interest how old are you? Your behavior does not seem very mature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 20:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

That is not how wikipedia works. It reflects verified sources only. See WP:V. The nationality of the source is not important, if they are considered glam rock, then they are considered glam rock. All national MTV channels are good sources according to policy. All Music Guide's relaibility has been disputed many times. Regardless All Music Guide does not dispute the cited fact in this article. --neonwhite user page talk 00:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Waterboarding

Please see the above link as I have requested arbitration for a dispute that you are involved in. Feel free to contribute there. Regards, henrik•talk 11:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waterboarding

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waterboarding/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waterboarding/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Anthøny 16:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

edits on emo

Stop being a dick by calling them emo. You may have sources but anybody can just put that under "Criticism". So seriously I know you fancy yourself a little up there and a little more important but please don't take out your stupidity by labeling a band you don't like "emo". Besides emo is there personal opinion as well.....--Velanthis (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

see emo. it's a genre of music that applies to a number of bands. Also read WP:CIVIL to read on how to edit in a civil manner. --neonwhite user page talk 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC) --neonwhite user page talk 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Alesana

Hi, you nominated this article for deletion not long ago. I am attempting to make the case that the band is, in fact, notable, and have requested review at WP:DRV. Your comments are welcome. Chubbles (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Paramore chart pos.

What stopped me from doin them is that I never had the time to do it and i didn't know all their chart pos. off the bat, if you really want to know ---Crocodileman (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The New Pornographers

You deleted a reference to the TNPs winning a Juno when in fact they have won one. That was a pretty easy fact to check too so I'm curious about why you did that.BigRockFan (talk) 03:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Faith

I do normally assume good faith, but you and SocJan have a campaign to deny the existence of pedophilia, the example of Death in Venice being the most absurd. Your denial of pedophilia in Guy Davenport's fiction is equally strange. The word exists and it describes exactly the situation in both examples. The title you two have chosen is so bad you would be better deleting the article as I have suggested.Tony (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Tony

These are completely unfounded allegations and extremely bad faith. You have been warned about these kind of personal attacks and it will be taken further. As you well know your personal interpretations of literature are not appropriate for wikipedia. --neonwhite user page talk 18:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed links from Saturday Nights and Sunday Mornings

Why did you remove the links from Saturday Nights and Sunday Mornings?