Talk:Ashley Massaro

Trivia Section?

I believe someone should add a trivia section to this article. It could include information about her tattoos, piercings, and the information about her theme songs (her themes don't belong in an "other media" type category because they relate to wrestling). I think this might decrease the amount of vandalism and random additions by people who constantly add info about her tattoos, piercings, etc. What does everyone else think? Nikki311 02:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I'm for it. If someone can gather enough info to begin the section, why not? --JohnDoe0007 10:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Playboy

Don't edit out her history with Playboy Enterprises, which was confirmed by both PEI & WWE. Regardless of your feelings it is a fact that she posed and like it or not is relevant to an encyclopedia article as part of her story. STFmaryville 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute

The personal section is off the brink of breaking WP:LIVING requirements. It says that her family members are pro wrestlers, but supplies no wikilink to the wrestlers in question, or sources stating such. I deleted the crufty triva stuff. "She loves rock music" sounds like a fan biography. Wikipedia is not the place to have rumors, and the part about relationships is full of them. Also, without souces, I'm taking all her info about her boyfriends as made up. Please supply sources for them. --LBMixPro ^{<Speak|on|it!>} 23:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I DO recall Ashley stating shortly after appearing on WWE that she was related to some wrestlers (I had commented to my wife wondering if that had anything to do with her win) but I don't think she ever named the wrestlers in question and I cannot recall the date of the show airing ...

I supplied sources for a few things that were asking for references. :] 58.165.68.237 22:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Wellplease don't reference a fan site and then call it an official site, as you did with ashley-revealed.com . Clearly stated on the first page of that site, "I am not Ashley Massaro. We are no way affiliated with Ashely Massaro OR World Wrestling Entertainment. Ashley Revealed is just a fansite." STFmaryville 20:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't. There was a reference to Ashley Massaro's official site, ashleymassaro.net, in one part of the article, and another to Ashley Revealed.

Also, how is being on a magazine cover an accomplishment? It isn't. Otherwise alot of celebrities and wrestlers accomplishment sections would be full of them. Whoever keeps adding it, kindly don't. 58.165.77.47 23:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Just because you don't consider it an accomplishment doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Listing that she was selected to be on the cover of one of the longest running and most popular publications in the world is relevant to an encyclopædic article. Yes, I'll concede, being a hood ornament for a hot rod on the cover of Lowrider isn't exactly noteworthy, but having a main spread and cover story in Playboy magazine is worth mentioning. That plus the large role her being featured has played in her professional wrestling career and the attention brought to the WWE because of it. --JohnDoe0007 11:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• On Dec. 4, 58.165.77.47 added a reference to http://ashley-revealed.com/ashley/biography.html and called it "Biography of Ashley from her Official Site" That's what I was referring to, and it's in the page history. STFmaryville 14:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see where the mix-up has taken place. When I put that as a reference, I didn't mean that Ashley Revealed itself was Ashley's official site (I know that ashleymassaro.net has that title), I meant that the biography USED ON Ashley Revealed was taken from Ashleymassaro.net... I couldn't link to said biography, however, because last time I checked, Ashleymassaro.net is under construction. So there's where the mix-up has taken place. 124.187.74.234 21:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Look

What's wrong with having this here? Massaro has three small tattoos of black asian lettering running vertically down her lower back and a small butterfly tattoo on her lower stomach/hip. She had two additional tattoos since entering WWE officially; two large nautical stars, one just above each elbow. She also has the upperside of her left lip pierced (called a Madonna/Monroe) and the left and right undersides of her bottom lip pierced (called a Snakebite). It's stuff that relates to her character and her own personality. Mr.bonus 00:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps putting it in a relevant section like suggested above... --JohnDoe0007 11:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's good information. Edge's page gets mention of his tattoos, and things like this are relevant because they aren't things that apply to every person who has a page on Wikipedia and so ought to be mentioned. This text holds extra information (that links to other subjects) - I didn't know what these types of piercing were called, or what a nautical star was, now I do. Seamus Shane 22:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Playboy Cover

Fr3nZi3 (talk · contribs) removed the image illustrating Ashley's Playboy cover stating it's "not needed"...I feel that it's a valid addition to the article, as her covergirl status plays a big role not only in the article but in her WWE/professional career. What do you guys think? --JohnDoe0007 22:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Her notable covergirl status can be mentioned in the article only with text. We should be using unfree material only when highly necessary. There's a difference between a magazine issue being notable and it's cover being notable. We use a cover image only when the 2nd is true. --Abu badali ^(talk) 23:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I've seen this guy's (Abu badali) edit history and he's a copyright paranoia sufferer. Take a look for yourself. Trevor GH5 01:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I looked over the copyright policies and this guy's got issues. Trevor GH5 01:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I put it back in with a fair use rational. This guy will probably try to have it deleted, that's his M.O. Pathetic. Trevor GH5 02:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input as well as the fair use rational, Trevor. I am in agreement with you. There is no reason the image shouldn't be there. Of course: THERE IS NO FREE ALTERNATIVE. I appreciate the help. Please check out the Torrie Wilson page as well if you know much about wrestling...I would love to hear your thoughts on the changes being made there too. --JohnDoe0007 19:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You, or anyone else, who wants to keep the Playboy cover in the article needs to go to the image page and click on the link that says "Images and media for deletion" and comment there. Trevor GH5 23:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Didn't someone upload a free-use pic of Massaro's Playboy celebration, focusing on the cover? If so, then that can possibly be used instead of the one we have now. --w^{L<speak·check>} 02:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

A good way to get a free-use image of the Playboy cover is for someone to take a picture of the actual magazine. You'd get a clearer view than any pictures taken from Massaro's Playboy Cover Unveiling. Does anybody have a copy and want to add a pic of the cover? Nikki311 03:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indents) - That will fail fair use, as the focus is still on the cover. --w^{L<speak·check>} 06:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Any shmuck can take a photo of a magazine cover...but how in the hell does that make it a "FREE USE" image? It's still a pic of a copyrighted piece of material. I don't care how many times you photograph it, even if it's a picture of a picture of a picture of the cover, it's still Playboy's cover. That's like suggesting as long as you go into the movie theater and video tape the movie yourself, you can release your video to the public domain and the whole damn film is now "free use." Absolutely asinine.

Now WikiLeon may be on to something with someone taking a live action photo of her in the ring and a picture of the cover "happens" to be in the background, but I still don't see how that would work. I don't care what you do, a Playboy cover is going to be owned by Playboy...THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE...it's completely fair use, especially for these purposes. and on top of that, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH FAIR USE? WHAT ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE AFRAID OF? --JohnDoe0007 06:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It could be all in that header under every article title: "From Wikipedia, The free encyclopedia" (notice where I linked the word "free"). It's not really a matter of paranoia or anyting like that, but the aim of Wikipedia (and the reason this site exists) is to be an encyclopedia that could be edited by anybody - including its images. Fair use doesn't allow that. The concept of fair use is very limited at the English Wikipedia (some other language ones don't even allow Fair Use whatsoever). If you read the first part of WP:FU it tells why we have fair use here, as well as why we don't allow some fair use. If you feel you have something to say about the fair use policy, it's best if you direct it to the policy's talk page. They'll give you a better understanding about it. As I said above, the emphasis is on the event, other than the cover, the picture will provide a visual analysis on how WWE celebrated Massaro's cover. --w^{L<speak·check>} 06:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The picture has been kept

So there's no need to remove it anymore. Trevor GH5 12:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ashley on Survivor

Through a myspace bulletin and pwheadlines.com, Ashley will be appearing on the next season of Survivor. This explains her suspension from WWE. Lbkid1700 04:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd say not to mention this in the article unless there are reports from WWE.com and CBS.com. - Deep Shadow 05:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I really don't appreciate my edit being deleted without any explanation or consideration. Wikipedia does not require verification from WWE or CBS. The sources I referenced are extremely reliable. Therefore, the info is at least worth mentioning, if not as definitive. Forweg 08:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In situations like this, only official sources are used. Anything else is considered unreliable, no matter how highly you regard it. - Deep Shadow 09:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find this Wikipedia policy. Please, point it out to me. Forweg 09:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR and WP:CS. Good enough? - Deep Shadow 09:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I see nothing about "official" sources in any of those articles. Only "reliable" sources. Which Survivor Fever and True Dork Times most certainly are. Forweg 09:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd call them questionable. Where do they get their information from? All I see on True Dork Times is "WWE rumors she's a contestant" and SurvivorFever.net redirects to an online forum. Not exactly reliable sources. - Deep Shadow 10:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

They're reliable because of their track records. I don't believe either have ever gotten a cast spoiler wrong. Regardless, my edit wasn't asserting the Survivor appearance as infallible fact, nor is it necessary to do so. When a "rumor" such as this becomes so utterly widespread, I think it deserves mentioning. Unfortunately, scholars and CNN don't tend to cover Survivor nor the WWE much, so other, less canonized (but no less reliable) sources must be used. Forweg 11:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was the first one to report this and someone deleted it. Anyway I think we should add it who care what WWE or CBS thinks this is a true life fac about her and it should be added so I am going to add it so no one delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darius123 (talk • contribs)

Protected

Protected for 48 hours due to edit warring.Rlevse 22:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Survivor

I am here to report that WWE.COM has reported that Ashley will be on Suvivor: China so can you please add this. ASHLEYANDCANDICEFAN —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.157.26.180 (talk) 00:24, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Read the article. - Deep Shadow 00:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I did and the last time I read it, it wasn't there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.157.26.180 (talk) 01:07, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

It's right here. It's been there for hours before you created this talk section. Once again, read the article. - Deep Shadow 01:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, BIGCANDICEFAN, you were indefinitely blocked. You are not supposed to be editing at all. Nikki311 01:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Leave me alone we are not here to discuss that and I don't think that since I don't have a page you can block me so yeah and this is an editing page do not talk about this anymore I will request for your block. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.157.26.180 (talk)

Think again. - Deep Shadow 01:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a "heads up": some Survivor spoiler sites have already proclaimed Ashley's fate in the series. This is a reminder that fan-driven sites - spoiler or otherwise - do not generally meet the criteria for WP:RS, and spoiler information should not be included into either this article or the one in the series. When the episode in question is aired, you'll have all the reliable sources that would ever be needed for the appropriate inclusion of information. 147.70.242.40 19:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Accomplishments STOP

Why did someone delete my accomplishments and my article stop it I have told and user about this vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.61.141 (talk) 23:31, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

BIGCANDICEFAN (talk · contribs), you are blocked and not permitted to edit Wikipedia articles. --Yamla 01:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

"Ashley"

Wikipedia guidelines specify using the last name of the subject after the first mention. Calling her "Ashley" all over just reeks of fan-magazine writing. As the article is semi-protected, could a non-IP user please go in and make this non-controversial change? --69.22.254.111 20:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the reasoning behind this is because her surname isn't referred to in ring. Her de facto ring name is merely Ashley. Statements about her personal life refer to her as Massaro. Tony2Times (talk) 02:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Is she coming back?

Is she actually ever going to return to the WWE, or is she gonna get released? WWEBoffin0101 20:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I hear shes off TV because of her Survivor appearances. She still makes apperances for WWE. I've actually heard shes coming back to Raw to challenge Beth. Psh like shes a threat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxbulldogxx (talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! you are all wrong, ashley was about to return to WWE but she got sick and that is acording to her myspace which her brother is currently running. Ok —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.147.217 (talk) 01:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Nooo. Her contract with Survivor states that she cannot return to the WWE until the show is completely wrapped. She is making an appearance for the finale, and then she will be allowed to return. What messs thats gonna be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.182.142 (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Ash returned during a raw house show last week and when she returns will be managing a new wrestler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.233.105 (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ashley made her tv return on raw january 7th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.233.105 (talk) 05:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC) Ashley Massaro was not on Project Runway-It was Kristal,Maria,Torrie,Candice,Michelle and Layla —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharmellfan (talk • contribs) 14:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Annorexia

Ashley is definatly an annorexic,because I meen look at her!Ive seen clips of her in 2005-2006 and that girl was FAT!Ok,so thats not normal for her to loose that much weight and look that skinny and gross in less than two months ok!She is an annorexic person,so be kind enough as to write that down! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.93.60 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No source, no dice. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Wikipedia is not the place for your original research. - Deep Shadow 08:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Dating London

On Ashley's MySpace page updated on 2/14/08, all references to London had been removed and she had posted a blog concerning spending Valentine's Day alone. I also conferred with a source close to him that has confirmed they are no longer a couple Thewrestlingbabe1 (talk) 04:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)