Talk:As I Lay Dying (band)/Archive 1

This page needs to be updated more often. I would but I have five different pages to help with. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 14:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Mallcore...

Interesting you should say that. Because it could very well be true. Oh well. I only know three songs so it don't matter to me what classification. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I really disagree with the usage of the term "mallcore" in Wiki articles. It seems to me that it inherently breaks NPOV guidelines, so should be left out of band entries, regardless of the author's opinion. City 07:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Changed the musical genre of their albums to Metalcore, since Metal-Archives has recognised it as such, and the the christianity is not really apparent in their songs --SePPach 21:08, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I notice someone has added numerous more members to the former members page. I have read before that they have had numerous guitar players, but nothing about another drummer. Who is this Anthony L. Watson or whatever? On the band website Tim claims that he and Jordan formed the band. --User:Growlnotscream 7:21, March 30, 2006

Before I edit it, I just want to establish that the band did get their name from the book titled "As I Lay Dying," but, there is no correlation between the book and the band's lyrics. Tim has said in many interviews that the band did indeed get their name from the book. --User:Growlnotscream 11:00 April 12 2006

I just noticed a change to the genre that wasn't mentioned here in the discussion page. Someone added "Swedish Metal" influence. Not sure about that... -- User:Growlnotscream 9:55 April 28 2006

I don't really see how the faith of the band is connected to their musical genre. There is no distinction in terms of music between "Christian metalcore" and "metalcore", therefore it's irrelevant to what genre they are put in. Are we going to edit the rest of Wikipedia to mention the faith of other bands? ("Iron Maiden are an atheist heavy metal band..." etc) How about other professions other than musicians? I'm not necessarily saying that this information has no part in the article, just that it is being over and unnecessarily emphasized by being placed as part of the bands genre. (As an aside, I'm totally in stitches over this information, which I wasn't previously aware of. I don't have kids, but I have to wonder, if I did: would I ban them from listening to AILD for fear of them being brainwashed into being Christian? I guess not, as I didn't really buy into that "metallers are devil worshippers and will turn your kids into satanists" hype that was all the rage a while back, but still it's a funny reversal. I guess kids never like the music their parents to anyway, so mine will almost certainly like the Britney Spears of whatever era they grow up in and it won't be an issue. :) ) 82.46.105.121 23:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, if you watch some of there music videos, it depicts religion. 24.16.112.105 (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

swedish metal

they do indeed have "Melodic Death Metal" influences as do many metalcore bands but swedish metal is not a term, Melodic Death Metal is not exclusively swedish,(I am from sweden myself) nor is that it's real name. I am changing it to simply Metalcore as enough metalcore bands feature Melodic Death Metal influences for a reader to be able to assume this. Also I don't agree on calling them a christian metal band. They are christian, they are a metal band and the lyrics are perhaps christian but that's not an actual genre. they are no different than other metalcore bands simply because their lyrics are about christian things.

Christian Metal is definitely a genre, and their lyrics definitely have to do with it (read The Darkest Nights or Forever). Theunknown42 14:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian Metal certainly is a legit subgenre, and it is an important enough classification for the band to mention many times in interviews and such that their faith is their motivating force behind why they do what they do. Also, lyrics are up for interpretation, so it isn't really up to you to decide whether the songs are about Christianity or not, frankly, and Tim Lambesis has been quoted as saying that that is in fact what the songs are about. So, I believe there is enough reason to classify them as a "Christian" metalcore band. City 07:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

"Forever" is a love song. Bad example. Yes some of their lyrics are Christian, but honestly I'd say maybe under half. A lot of them are about personal relationships. - Razorhead 10:52 AM, 3 August 2006

The band has said in interviews and on their FAQ that their lyrics are not intended to be Christian, but could certainly be interpreted as so. Also, the re-release was released in June, not May. Haha. User:growlnotscream June 21, 2006 9:50 AM

There I changed it to just metalcore. It's probably best to leave it as that since no one can agree on anything else (I changed it to metalcore and melodic death metal at one point). - Razorhead 10:55 AM, 3 August 2006

Taken from the FAQ page on AILD's website which was written by Tim Lambesis, "I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band. If you truly believe something, then it should affect every area of your life." Don't say they don't want to be labled as a Christian band! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by N7ghtwolf (talk • contribs).

AILD is simply metalcore. They are not "Swedecore" or considered Chiristian metal. AILD's lyrics are not Christian based. If you read the lyrics, they are singing about every day life and the struggles we go through. Just because Tim is Christian, does not mean the band is Christian metal. Everyone can agree on metalcore, so leave it at that. Bushy33 05:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

As someone already pointed out, their own FAQ states that every member of the band is Christian, that all of their songs are written from the perspective of a Christian, and that the goal of the band is to "intelligently represent a faith that has been very misrepresented in the entertainment industry." And again, like quoted above, it states, "I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band. If you truly believe something, then it should affect every area of your life." Jpers36 07:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't see how someone cannot take them as a Christian band. They use many Christian refrences, subliminal at times, but lots. And their songs about personal issues are done with a Christian perspective on things. I find it quite easy to stick them into that category. IronCrow 03:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't care how the Wikipedia article defines Christian music…. Seriously, just because all of a band's members share the same faith and occasionally reference it in their songwriting does not make them musical proponents of that faith. If a Buddhist starts a band with a couple of his Buddhist friends and writes lyrics about spirituality, does that make it a "Buddhist band"? No. The difference between "five Christians playing in a band" and "a Christian band" is that the latter uses its music as a way to practice its religion (or spread the word, whatever). Listen to a Christian radio station some time: you will hear the songs address God and specific areas of Christian faith. Let's not waste time finding bands with religious members and labeling them as religious genres -- it's useless information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.230.51 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

And Wikipedia doesn't care about what you "think." Their website states they are a "Christian band." And no, Christian bands today are not like the Christian bands of the 80's, they don't use it to practice/convert. The vast majority of Christian bands today are not like Stryper or Deliverence. And no, it's not useless information. A background of a band must be found. IronCrow (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I've being hearing recent information that they're melodic metal core? Is this true or that even a genre? 24.18.148.197 (talk) 03:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Discography Question

Hey, I was just wondering, but why doesn't anyone add "Beneath The Encasing Of Ashes" to the discograpy list? I mean, it was an offical CD release, even though it was re-released, right? OmniAngel 23:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Former member?

Has Clint left the band?

No, he hasn't.

And if he did, where is the source? AKnot 20:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes he has actually he left the band because he wanted to spend more time with his wife. pick up the issue of revolver magizine with as i lay dying in it

then why doesn't some one mention this in the biography? if its true then put it in there....

   yeah

New Album

is the new album actually called evolution can anyone confirm this Boomhower2121 22:00 19 March 2007 (UTC)

   No, the new album is called An Ocean Between Us

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Genre

I wouldn't considerate them just as Christian Metalcore, they actualy play metalcore but i think that more exsactly, Deathcore and Mathcore, they have both shrieks and growls as used in deahcore, even though they dont use pig squeals, they're as technicl as death metal, they have both hardcore and death metal influences, some of their songs cn be considered as Melodic Deathcore, songs like Darkest Nights and Through Struggle, but songs like Behind me lies another Fallen, Torn Within, Force to Die are not melodic at all/as melodic as the irst songs.

Now, the mathcore thing, they use very odd time signatures for example in the song Distance is Darkness, and in the second part is exremly melodic, in the entire song utilizes energic vocals, their songs are short and they use odd song structures. Sheish

Not Deathcore. Definitly Metalcore. And Mathcore is different. Loads of metal bands use electronic sounds and such, it adds to the rhythm. And Hardcore punk sound is part of the sound of Metalcore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathcore IronCrow 22:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, I know what both subhgeneres are. I know it ain't as heavy as common deathcore, but there's so much influence on them by death metal. Why mathcore not? not every band of mathcore uses electronics there's an example... Fear Before The March Of Flames. At least melodic deathcore, don't you think? --Sheish 6 Sheish 03:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I can see some in their latest album in "small doses," however, they are definitly Metalcore, and with the genre of Metalcore goes a combination of sounds. Mathcore would be like... Botch, some Norma Jean, etc. Their primary genre = Metalcore. IronCrow 21:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Can Someone Please Block This Page From Being Edited

I've noticed that the page has been edited to say that As I Lay Dying are "supporters of gay marriage" and that they are a screamo band.

Well, you could edit out such information yourself, but I'm not actually seeing any of that on the page. Where is it? Jpers36 19:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It was vandalized about two weeks ago it stayed up for about a day, it was at the beginning of the page where there is a brief bio of the band.

Checking your edit history, it appears that you are the one who made the edits you're now complaining about. What gives? Jpers36 16:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

A little brother or sister editing the page? Hehe, who knows, but to add a quick note: I think the primary source of vandalism for this page is people who don't think As I Lay Dying is either "Good" or "Christian." Who woulda guessed? IronCrow 21:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, don't know where to fit this in, noob that I am, but there's a grammatical error in the introduction in which a sentence was cut in half by a period, making the second half a fragment. Hope you don't mind my being a Grammar Nazi. I can't edit the introduction to the article, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.243.155.198 (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I suggest creating an account. It's much easier and if you track your own edits (like me) than it's a life saver. You should be able to edit it. However, it must be edited already because I don't see it. IronCrow 01:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Melodic Death Metal?

What the fuck? Doppelganger 23:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, some of their music is considered along the line of Melodic Death Metal, however, they are primarily Metalcore. IronCrow 22:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Which songs can be considered as melodeath? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sheish (talk • contribs) 05:09:34, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

I think the term I'm looking for is Melodic Deathcore. Small doses, remember? IronCrow 21:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thrash metal

in the reference you give for as i lay dying to be thrash metal, I think, it's not a way for alling them thrash metal. They say "the thash album" but it doesn't mean to be that the band is thrash metal, i think it's more like the "heavy album", "destroyer album" or something alike, but not "the thrash metal album".

Even in the same page states that is a metalcore band and the album is an emo album near to death metal.--Sheish 6 Sheish 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I might be having trouble understanding what you jsut said. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just say As I Lay Dying is... Emo...? And no, I don't think they are thrash metal either and i didn't know why it was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IronCrow (talk • contribs) 22:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

As far as i know,as i lay dying is emo,almost every emo kid i know likes as i lay dying and there lyrics are emotional,so yes,they could be called "emo",i doubt they would call themselves that,however.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.235.186.185 (talk) 23:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Being listened to by emo doesn't make them emo in the least. Nor does emotional lyrics. Ever listend to Linkin Park, now those are some emotional lyrics but it doesn't change the fact that they are a Nu Metal band. I bet you couldn't even find a good source for it.72.81.226.247 (talk) 01:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok I wanna say that I haven't touched any article of As I Lay Dying, but they do sound like they have a thrash sound in An Ocean Between Us. Not a total thrash sound but it's there like in Within Destruction, that sounds totally thrash metal. And they have added more solos which also attributes to the thrash metal sound. But you are retarded if you think they are emo, no musical genre EVER has been catagrized by what the lyrics say so you can't say they are emo just because they have "emotional lyrics" Emo is VERY soft and this is nowhere close to emo. you can't catagorize a band "emo" just because and emo person listens to them. And Death Metal is definatly nowhere in site with As I Lay Dying.

Future Tour/Gigs

I have source that As I Lay Dying will be playing at Soundwave Festival 2008 at Australia [1]. can this be added to As I Lay Dying's Page? - 58.168.76.10 05:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

GA nom on hold

• Ref 1 needs a more specific URL than [2]

I can't link to the specific section that is referenced.

• "The band experienced several line-up changes with bassists and guitarists" - Expand a bit on this - who changed, what hapepened, etc.

Done

• "Shadows Are Security was released in June, and debuted at number 1 on the Top Independent Albums, and was the band's first release to enter the Billboard 200 at number 35." - Overuse of "and" - suggest you split into 2 sentences

Split into two sentences

• "and commented new guitarists Phil Sgrosso and Nick Hipa, and bass player Clint Norris make the band "stronger". - add a "that" after "commented"

Done

• "At the fee of $US75,000" - You don't need to show the "US", just wlink as $

Done

That be all. — Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 09:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

That be done. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That be GA. — Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 05:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

they are Christian, right?

Not addressing this in the article (except in the infobox) seems like a pretty big oversight.P4k (talk) 05:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you propose? It's in the infobox, as you said, and in the categories. I don't see why it needs to be included in the article other than where it's at. Except... maybe a entence or two, or maybe the fact that they are one of the most popular bands of the genre, Christian or otherwise. IronCrow (talk) 17:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this band so I have no suggestions. I just thought it was strange that it was totally ignored, since it seems a lot more significant to me than listing their lineup changes and the tours they've been on.P4k (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

As I Lay Dying is not a "christian metalcore" band. they're chrisitan but they don't play christian music.--Jpkmaster (talk) 23:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Jpkmaster, they do. Look it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homie C (talk • contribs) 04:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, if we are all going to play the genre game, why arnt 70% of todays rap artists considered Christian Rap ? because they have faith in god, some do, some don't. I just don't see why we should involve there religion in there genre, they sound like metalcore to me?FaceCavity (talk) 2:24, 5 May (UTC)

They ARE Christian Metalcore

I've changed the beginning of the page. DO NOT change it. I've done my research and As I Lay Dying is definately a Christian band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homie C (talk • contribs) 04:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's see... wikipedia is not a place for you to post your OWN research. As I Lay Dying are not "christian metalcore", I have never ever heard an AILD song with any christian lyrics, not even the word "God" or "Jesus" on any of their songs.--Jpkmaster (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

P.O.D, August Burns Red, and UnderOath are all Christian bands but you don't here them say "God" or "Jesus" in any of their songs. It has already been referenced that they are. DO NOT change it unless you have REAL proof that they aren't (which you'll never find).

From their website: "Are you guys Christians in a band or a Christian band? I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band. If you truly believe something, then it should affect every area of your life. All five of us are Christians. I believe that change should start with me first, and as a result, our lyrics do not come across very "preachy." Many of our songs are about life, struggles, mistakes, relationships and other issues that don't fit entirely in the spiritual category. However, all of these topics are written about through my perspective as a Christian." Simply put they are all Christians, but are not a preachy Christian band like many others. to call it Christian Metal core is a stretch.Demon Prince Hosoku (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't care about your "research" I removed Christian Metalcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.38.28 (talk) 03:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

We all know that AILD is not a christian metalcore band, but someone is writing on the infobox genre field "Christian Metalcore".

First of all, AILD is not a christian metalcore band, second, Template:Infobox_musical_artist says (in the genre field): The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop) and that means Metalcore rather than Christian Metalcore (if the were, but they aren't).--Jpkmaster (talk) 02:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

That's right. Since there is a lot of debate over this, i added a 'Christian Faith' section to the article, such as on the Flyleaf article. Maybe this might clear some things up. Thoughts? Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 19:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed.--Jpkmaster (talk) 20:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The quote provided from AILD's FAQ page clearly states that all members of the band are Christian, and that they thus consider themselves a Christian band. Jpers36 (talk) 15:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_musical_artist:

The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop) and that means Metalcore rather than Christian Metalcore (if the were, but they aren't)

and, on their FAQ page, I could NOT find those words : "WE ARE A CHRISTIAN METALCORE BAND"

Aim for generality!

READ! READ! READ!

--Jpkmaster (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

First line: "I'm not sure what the difference is between five Christians playing in a band and a Christian band." As I Lay Dying identifies as both. In addition, please check WP:CIVIL. Jpers36 (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

There are diferences between Christians playing in a band and a Christian band, that's why he said "I'm not sure". I'm sorry if i'm being impolite, but many users always try to post their original research here, using as reference the AILD FAQ.--Jpkmaster (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok lets just aim for generality, which means metalcore rather than christian metalcore since some users disagree. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)