Talk:Salad Fingers

Backstory?

Does anyone know the actual story behind salad fingers? Why is he green? Why is there no one else around him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.44.199 (talk) 01:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Kinda off-topic, but everything in Salad Fingers is up to the interpretation of the viewer. He could merely be an ordinary man, in an ordinary world, with a very unordinary life. He could be mentally ill, depressed, unmedicated, etc. and everything that we see could just be how he views the world - his green skin, and the desolate wasteland that he lives in, his mind completely isolated from reality. That's just one interpretation though. 122.107.221.248 (talk) 07:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Aparantly Salad Fingers' family left him to go to the Great War (World War 1), which explains him talking to the corpse (who he thinks is his brother) about coming back from the war, and also when he was talking to Jeremy Fisher about it. When they left him, he went psychotic. I don't know if this is true (big palava over a random cartoon..) but it's what I've heard. Also.. Salad Fingers- a guy, right? I've heard other: Sally Salad Fingers. In Ep 2, a young boy falls in love with SF, doesn't that mean SF must be female? Unless this boy at such a young age is homosexual, which is quite unlikely. I understand that this is a very surreal cartoon but in Ep 3, when SF rubs a nettle on his/her chest, milk comes out.. Is it just me or is that impossible for a guy? Another piece of evidence: in Episode 6 (or 7 I forgot) he/she wears a dress. Maybe this is because SF is mentally ill, or maybe he has no gender? I guess this topic is left to the viewers decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.209.197 (talk) 21:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Mable/Mabel

The girl's name is more usually spelled "Mabel". Do we have any reason to spell it "Mable" here? 86.131.94.6 18:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It appears that way on the cartoon.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 01:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This article and OR

This article is so bizarre in tone that it meets its subject more than halfway. Do we really need character descriptions of the finger puppets that only appear for 15 seconds? Extensive plot summaries of episodes that are only a minute long? Now that the popularity of this meme has died down I think it's time to do some ruthless cutting of the article. If no one objects in the next couple of days, I will do so.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 01:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay I greatly shortened the episode summaries and character sketches, although I'd like to shorten them even more. I eliminated anything that smacked of OR. With a cartoon like this, it is so tempting to try and say "oh, this seems to be happening because of X" or "that bizarre object could have been a Y or a Z." No one wants to just accept that the cartoon is surreal and doesn't make logical sense. --Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 07:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that to say that speculation has no place here, even in an article such as this? Zombieninja101

Yes. Speculation has no place on wikipedia, ever.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 05:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There was a paragraph towards the beginning in which the cartoon was described as taking place between 1920 and 1940, etc., but this is both purely speculative and ridiculous considering the cartoon's surreal setting. Removed. 86.140.101.177 16:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that is so speculative, since in one episode sallad finger states that he has returned from the big war (WW I). So it set somewhere shortly after or during WW I (he might have returned before the war really ended). ComicKurt: That is not death wich can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die. 13:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ComicKurt (talk • contribs)

Given the nature of the world Salad Fingers lives in, there's not necessarily any reason to think his "Great War" is the same thing as WW1. The cartoon presents a very distorted view of "reality," so I have to say making that connection is OR at best. And given everything else that Salad Fingers invents around him, the whole "Great War" could arguably be a product of his imagination. Exerda (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Psychological

I think this aspect of the horror deserves more mention. No, I'm certain it deserves more. I'm sitting here paranoid because of it. I wouldn't do a good job writing it though. Zombieninja101

In various places, the cartoons are called "disturbing" and "surreal", in an objective way. I personally do not find it horrifying, just weird. There are probably message boards (not on wikipedia) where you can share these impressions, but wikipedia is not the place for individual editors to share their impressions of a subject; otherwise we end up with passages that say stuff like "some people have commented that the cartoons are horrifying", which is language explicitly to be avoided (see for example WP:WEASEL). If you find a third party source, article, widely-read blog, or something that refers to what you are feeling, you can use it as a reference and add to the article.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. It was coupled with insomnia anyways. Zombieninja101

Sorry I was curt, this article was a disaster until a couple of weeks ago and I want to try and prevent its old state from creeping back in. I overreact sometimes when I sense someone might be trying to turn a pop-culture article into a discussion board (not what you were doing)-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 18:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't notice. In any case, I retract my initail statement, now realizing that insomnia + Salad fingers = paranoia. Zombieninja101

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Mable

According to the article, "[Mable] is the first character other than Salad Fingers who can communicate in English, and she is the first person other than Salad Fingers to actually speak—something that seems to shock and dismay Salad Fingers." If I remember correctly, the little boy in Episode 2 is clearly crying out "Help me" in English. Don't know if that's significant enough to bother changing the article over, but to say that Mable is the first person other than SF to speak is inaccurate. 144.131.46.192 02:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That's not the little boy, that's Salad Fingers saying "help, help me, help." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.63.89.51 (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

French or Spanish?

French or Spanish? There seems to be some controversy over the words Salad Fingers says in Episode 2. I don't speak either well enough to saym though I'd lean toward French... but I doubt anyone is going to be able to find something definitive that isn't original research (and no one has provided a transliteration yet, either), so I am changing it again to just "in another language" rather than "in French" or "in Spanish." Exerda 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

He/She/It (my opinion is female) is speaking French. I can't decypher the whole thing because it's been about 4 years since I took French, but part of what Salad says is "Comment t'apelle tu?" which is French for "What's your name?" The rest sounds like French, but as I said, it's been awhile, maybe we can get someone to decypher it. On one of the other pages someone wrote it as this: "Alors: habille-la. Comment t'appelles-tu? Qu'est-ce qu'il y a?" which poorly translated means "Then: equip it. What are you called? What is there?"

NemFX 02:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok if we can't tell French from Spanish we have some problems. I could immediately tell it's french. Alors, Comment t'apelle, they're all french. =) Tyler Warren 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, though as I said above, my French isn't good enough to provide an honest transliteration. What I don't get is people changing it to "Spanish" with regular frequency... though given my limited French, I'm hesitant to definitively chalk it up as that (though some others have provided transliterations + translations, thankfully). Exerda 04:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I am a native Spanish speaker, I can confirm that is not Spanish. BrunoX 15:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

hes a dude

his a dude he looks like a dude and talks like a dude question answered

Chris Crocker looks like a girl and talks like a girl, but he's a dude. Question remains a mystery until further evidence is given.Robert Cafazzo 00:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode 7: When first seeing "Kenneth", Salad Fingers says that he had "come back to Shore Leave to see his big brother". That implies that Salad Fingers is male. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.30.230.248 (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

But we don't know that he is talking about himself. Considering he wears a skirt at the singing and the boy falls in love with him, I'd say he's unsexed. Best email the creator and ask yourself. :) Genjix (talk) 01:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

In the interview on the bottom of the page, author refers to Salad Fingers as a "green man" and "he". So I'd presume he's either asexual or male. Clerlic (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Plot Speculation?

It's irrelevant--Mackbeth24 19:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed--although some of the points made are able to be backed up by primary sources from the various episodes themselves (i.e. are simply statements of fact), on the whole, the section strikes me as "original research." Wikipedia isn't a place for speculation, after all. I'd recommend toasting that section entirely. Exerda 04:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I pulled it out yesterday evening, for reasons cited in the main article's edit summary (WP:NOR & WP:V for starters). Someone's welcome to start a blog speculating about Salad Fingers, but that content just doesn't belong here. Exerda 15:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hyperlinks

If "The Great War" mentioned in the comic has not been identified as World War One, I don't think that the words "The Great War" should be hyperlinked to this article. To me, this is misleading information. I will remove the hyperlinks in a few days unless there is further discussion on the matter. E James (talk) 23:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. It's sheer speculation based on the similarity of the name "Great War," and given SF's own obviously distorted perception of the world, it's really impossible without a statement from Firth himself (or a future event in a SF episode to come) to make that conclusion. Remove the link at your leisure, IMHO! Exerda 04:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

They have now been removed! E James (talk) 21:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, one could easily argue that referencing anything in an episode of Salad Fingers amounts to "sheer speculation". In fact, Exerda's statement regarding "the similarity of the name" is a good example of "misleading information", as the use of such a phrase implies that there is actually some difference between the phrase used by Salad Fingers and the actual 'nickname' of the First World War.

"The Great War" has been one of the traditionally-used alternative names referenceing WWI for a very long time. Wikipedia's disambiguation page contains numerous references to films/books entitled "Great War" or "The Great War", all of which reference WWI. The only other references listed here are to the Napoleonic/French Revolutionary Wars and to the Uruguayan Civil War, all of which occured well before the advent of the radios and telephones that appear in episodes of Salad Fingers. Just because present-day generations are not accustomed to hearing the event described with that euphemism does not make it any less true or accurate, just less common.

Personally, since so much of what happens in Salad Fingers' world is likely to consist of his own twisted delusions, I think that it is not unreasonable to make a fairly solid connection when one appears to be offered. That being said, I don't necessarily feel like there needs to be a link to the WWI article from the phrase. I just think that it is unreasonable to try and cast so much doubt about this being an actual reference to World War I. -Grammaticus Repairo 16:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Episode 8

I think the "serial killer" theory, which is referenced to as a possibility, is irrelevant. It seems to be an opinion. Just thought I'd mention this.

Also, there is no mention of the the argument between his hands once in the safety cupboard (this is notable because it changed the emotion of the main character).

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohitsbrandon (talk • contribs) 01:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Note, however, that he has 5 hairs and that corresponds to the number of 'real' characters he's met in previous episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.154.250 (talk) 19:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but this is still an opinion. He may very well be a serial killer, but there have not been 5 serial killings that we know of. It is merely an opinion, a possible one, but still an opinion. Some people believe Kim Jong-il is a great leader, a God, but it does not say on his page, "Kim Jong-il is a great leader and God." Ohitsbrandon 05:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Newgrounds

We all know Salad Fingers is well-known on Newgrounds. But, why doesn't BlockHead, Madness Combat, etc. recieve its own page as well? Madness Combat also recieved its own day on Newgrounds, September 22nd I believe. Not exactly saying this page should be deleted, but there are other well-known series on Newgrounds. Does Salad Fingers have a day for itself? 68.151.164.55 03:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Because nobody here is justifying the existence of wiki's Salad Fingers article based on the character's high profile on Newgrounds, this is the wrong forum to be arguing for the existence of articles based on other characters popular on Newgrounds. If you want 'BlockHead' and 'Madness Combat' to have their own articles, then feel free to write articles for them. Wikipedia is based on the idea that anyone who cares to contribute can do so. --- Grammaticus Repairo (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Victoria Crisp

The story about Victoria Crisp is included in the links listed as "references", however it is not mentioned at all in the actual body.

Story [1]

Pam Smith, attorney for ex-teacher Victoria Crisp, said her client’s complaint has been revised to include allegations that female special education students skipped class to sleep in Watertown Police Officer Lloyd Burke’s office, went off campus with him for lunch and watched a strange Internet cartoon with bizarre dialogue. Burke allegedly even encouraged one of the students to call him “daddy,” the complaint read.

This sort of third party coverage, a sex-scandal involving a police officer, special ed kids and Salad Fingers is probably the only thing that could make this article actually notable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. As it stands its hideous OR-worded cruft.--ZayZayEM (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Why does deflowering link to rape? 76.234.129.163 19:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

- I always linked deflower to the loss of one's virginity, rather than rape. "Flower" in the sense of being pure, and "deflower", well, the opposite. Not sure how it is linked to rape :S [user:Guest] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.213.148.110 (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Mental Disorder

Salad Fingers was originally listed as being schizophrenic and having pica. This has been changed to him merely having psychosis. Salad Fingers has many of the identifiable traits of the disorganized schizophrenic (odd use of language, neologism, word salad) especially noteworthy are "grubby tap" and "you look so beautiple". The references Salad Fingers makes show disorganized thinking: his 'frolicking by the riverside' with Kenneth went back to a memory of him counting the distance between his house and a tree.

Salad Fingers also illustrates pica on a number of occasions: the eating of string/hair, a doll, and sand. Sand is a classic example of geophagy.

I can understand him not be classified as schizophrenic but the pica part I don't understand. Thoughts? Kronermark (talk) 00:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

depressed

we should makea note of the fact tht he David Firth made salad fingers along with his othe incredibly dark cartoons when he was severly depressed Luke12345abcd (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)