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He wrote and performed on all songs on St. Anger. Many bands have a member as a producer, Jimmy Page was the producer for Led Zeppelin. Does writing and playing music make someone a member or do you need more than that? [[User:Pwr.max|Pwr.max]] ([[User talk:Pwr.max|talk]]) 01:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC) |
He wrote and performed on all songs on St. Anger. Many bands have a member as a producer, Jimmy Page was the producer for Led Zeppelin. Does writing and playing music make someone a member or do you need more than that? [[User:Pwr.max|Pwr.max]] ([[User talk:Pwr.max|talk]]) 01:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'd say he is since he contributed both in lyrical content and played bass on the whole entire St. Anger album. --[[User:Slyder Pilot|<span style="color: blue; font-family: Times New Roman; font-variant: small-caps;">Slyder Pilot</span>]] 12:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Does Bob Rock count as a member?He wrote and performed on all songs on St. Anger. Many bands have a member as a producer, Jimmy Page was the producer for Led Zeppelin. Does writing and playing music make someone a member or do you need more than that? Pwr.max (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
New picture neededI think the picture should be changed to another picture so people could see band members' faces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmagnetic08 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC) The chances that someone gets a front row seat at a concert AND has a good camera AND is a Wikipedia contributor aren't very high. Pwr.max (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC) Albums SoldMetallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95, should fix that mistake, www.missionmetallica.com showed a video with their sales. http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Progressive?Would ...And Justice for All (and, to a lesser extent, Master of Puppets) qualify Metallica as progressive metal? As far as I can tell, the qualifying features of progressive metal are odd time signatures and complex, multilayered arrangements--both of which are very present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.234.25 (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC) "One" has surely a prog touch, and yes, the anothers have quite a influence. But I don't think this can be put as a genre unless you come with a reliable source due to the fact Metallica is rarely described as progressive. Haxxiy (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC) Although a keyboard player isn't a requirement for progressive metal, it tends to separate many progressive metal bands from heavy metal. Pwr.max (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Fix"McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Cliff Burton and Kirk Hammett, respectively." Mustaine was ousted before they found Hammett. He wasnt ousted in favor of Hammett. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WayneS1324 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. --Crazy4metallica (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC) statusIf their grammy award-winning status is added to the first paragraph, then that sentence also needs to include mention of their draconian stance on internet file sharing, and mention of the heavy criticism they continue to garner for this stance. 71.193.209.196 (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)Anonymous, 12/19/2007
I agree.. change it to the first sentance. You look others bands' pages, they have it listed that they are a grammy award winning band if they did winan award. January 3, 2008 10:45 PM --random user Thrash metal?The March edition of German Metal Hammer is dedicated to the birth of Thrash in 1983, and has James and Kerry King on the cover. Both Slayer and Metallica are identified as the two bands who made Thrash explode, although it is concluded that Exodus did already play this kind of music before Metallica - or Slayer. In the pages dedicated to Thrash in that issue, famous personalities of the Thrash movement are asked about their favorite Thrash album, -"Kill'em All" or Show "No Mercy". I will just cite some (p)references:
Now does that end the discussion if Metallica is Thrash or not, once and for all? I hope it does! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skehrkrow (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC) I have listened to many thrash metal bands i would never consider metallica thrash metal. Every time it is taken off it is added back again, and i need some support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcrissxcrossx (talk • contribs) 18:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Navnløs (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
ARGH, I agree with everyone. Although, St. Anger still has a nu metal vibe to it in my opinion. Navnløs (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
nu metal is teh sucks, though...seriously. (sorry for this uncontributing comment) Navnløs (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Well all and all, Metallica is, was and always will be thrash in some respect or another, they began their career being thrash and that has put the title of thrash on them. weather some people like it or not.--Metal to the Max! 10:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Here the truth: Metallica created thrash with "Kill 'Em All". Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC) Hmm... isn't a point of thrash metal that's it's supposed to be a) fast and b) heavy? Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, they're rock bands at best. Ozzy Ozbourne is about as hardcore as the guy who sings in Hinder. Go listen to DevilDriver and Lamb Of God. 203.54.3.180 (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Nice discussion! So Metallica is not Thrash metal? That is true! Metallica is a typical hip hop band! So get some black metal with Bob Marley! And if you want some Deathcore, listen to James Brown! And Lamb of God is good too, if you like some country music!--Lykantrop (Talk) 13:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC) I dont know about you but metallica is a thrash metal band just look at the solo in blitzkrieg now if that isnt enough look at the distortion in one towards the middle to the end in my opinion metallica is the best band ever...... hip hop? hip hop? i dont know what song you listened to but is not hip hop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.234.100.155 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
In response to the writer above that typed Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, I think you are a little confused. Metallica for it's time was pretty heavy. Their old music even in today's time has some bite. Black Sabbath wasn't in this discussion of thrash because Black Sabbath has never been called thrash. But again, they were heavy for there time. And Slayer, are you serious? Not heavy? Listen to the album "Reign in Blood" and if you think it is not heavy you need your hearing checked; and that album came out in '86. Even Slayer's oldest music make modern "metal" bands run in fear. Lamb of God is heavy, I won't argue that (they're actually my current favorite band), but they are on par with Slayer and are actually very influenced by them. And the comment about Ozzy being as hardcore as the guy from Hinder...WTF? A guy that sings "coming from the lips of an angel" is on the level with a guy that bites heads off of doves and bats at concerts? I think your perception of reality is a little distorted there buddy. And to Lykantrop: don't worry I actually got your joke and it was funny! Feral Mind (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC) Okay, guys, why do you refuse to accept the fact that Metallica just isn't as heavy as they were back then in the 80's? They were great, yes, they were Thrash, but they aren't anymore. Now they're just radio music. Compare them to Overkill, Testament, Holy Moses and you'll see how "soft" they sound compared to these Thrashers. Bands change, so did Metallica. They aren't Thrash Metal anymore, period. Consider them radio music or Hard Rock, but not Thrash. Given their Legacy as Thrash Kings that doesn't mean that everything they come up with NOW is Thrash. 1stLtLombardi (talk) 11:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Rumours ....Remove those rumours about new album from the friend of Metallica members. It has no place in encyclopedia. 78.1.123.173 (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I wasnt making any personal attack buddy this joker Nice way to contradict yourself. Feel free to go cry to a mod since you have no proper comeback. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.190.104 (talk) 04:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC) is that last bit really worth it??I mean iall it is, is some guys opinion and quote on one particular song, who cares, is does not do much for Metallicas Bio now does it. If i just made a small artical about my opinion on Master of Puppets then its not really the way to go. just take this in consitteration.--Metal to the Max! 10:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Metallica USED to be a heavy metal band. They are a blend of country, soft rock and metal now...hardly Heavy Metal.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.200.123 (talk) 06:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC) Are you insane? St. Anger was Heavy Metal, not Trash, but Metal. James' did one country performance, a song. They aren't Country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.42.58 (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC) Backstage rumoursThere have been rumours that whilst the band were going through a fairly drug induced phase in their career they experimented in their sexuality and adhered to the more masculine groupies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.177.184 (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC) "Tragedy strikes Metallica"That sounds way too dramatic for Wikipedia, in my opinion. Should we change it to "Death of Cliff Burton"? Thoughts? Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
GA ReviewI'm placing this on GA Hold for seven days because the article needs more in-line citations. For example, these five sentences are unsourced. Where did this info come from?
Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Add some "fact" tags if there's anything else I need to source with the Christe book right now. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Everything is sourced.. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
ConclusionGA Pass. I think it satisfies the criteria at Wikipedia:What is a good article?. I enjoyed reading it and laughed at how often 'guitar technician John Marshall' would have to fill in - you should make a section just for him. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Look, if you're going to Semi-ProtectMake sure there's not a fucking mistake in the second paragraph. And I'd love to fix it, but I can't. "Metallica rose to fame with its 1991 Metallica album, and critics say the 1986 release Master of Puppets is one of the most influential and "heaviest" thrash metal albums. The ba..." They rose to fame with their 1981 album, self-titled Metallica. Please, for the love of God and Metallica, fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.0.200 (talk) 15:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, MOP was the album that made Metallica a worldwide band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 13:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Replacement Rhythm GuitaristDuring that show in Montreal when James got burned they got a replacement rythem guitarist. Why don't they mention him? Loydd Grant didn't do anything ad they mention him. Scorpio777 (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)Scorpio666
Lead sectionThe lead section of this article is too long, does not immediately establish notability (although that is certainly not in question!), and duplicates much of the content in the history section. It should focus on why Metallica is such a popular and influential band and leave the history to later sections in the article. Get the TOC above the fold! Steve CarlsonTalk 01:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Lloyd GrantLOLLYD GRANT WAS NEVER IN METALLICA, HE PLAYED AS A TEMP ON THE METAL MASSACRE DEMO AND HIS SOLOS WERE LATER REMOVED AND REPLACED BY DAVE MUSTAINES, TAKE HIM OFF THE LIST!!!! He never recorded and album, never performed on stage just played two solos on a demo... he is not worth mentioning... Bob Rock is more of an ex-member of the band... he has written songs, recorded and produced with the band as well as playing live with them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Dear GOD, man. Calm down. Please? The liner notes for Garage Inc. list him as having been the lead guitarist for a time. Therefore, you have nothing. As for Bob Rock, he played because they didn't have a bassist at the time, and when they signed Rob Trujillo, Rob took over. Please, chill. ElimRawne (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
. Pillsbur (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC) Grant only played two guitar solos on a DEMO, he never recorded, toured or is considered a member by any valid source. The Garage Inc insert is describing when they started out, but Grant only worked with Metallica for ONE DAY. This in my view is not enough to make him a a member of the band, his solos were not even used and were replaced by Dave Mustaines. So his contribution to Metallica is ZERO. Why is he still on there? If Grant is on there then surely Marshall should be as he actaully worked with Metallica and played live with them! Maybe you could get real silly and post every person who has guested alongside them over the past 30 years as well. You wouldnt, thats why Grant should go. Hes a bass player by proffesion anyways. Bob Rock on the other hand produced every album in the 1990s early 00s, toured and played live with the band and recorded an album with songs he is credited for writing,so has a solid case to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC) Agree, remove Grant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 16:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
There are multiple errors with Lloyd Grant's tenure in Metallica. For starters, he wasn't the original lead guitarist in Metallica. Dave Mustaine was the original lead guitarist (http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/dave_mustaine.htm), and wasn't present for the recording "Hit the Lights" due to prior obligations with another band. So basically he SHOULD be removed form the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC) I read an interview with Lars Ulrich (just after Lloyd Grant's new band DefCon released a demo) in which he claimed that Grant was a member of Metallica, but possibly prior to the band adopting the name Metallica. He further claimed that Grant was dropped from the band because it was hard to get heavy metal gigs with a black guitarist. (This was in Metal Forces magazine from sometime in the 'eighties). So the story that he was just hired as a one-shot deal to do the solo on Hit The Lights isn't as cut and dried as it seems.Revmagpie (talk) 03:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC) According to Ron McGovney in an interview from So What! club magazine, Lloyd just came over once to put down his solos, nothing more than a service to his buddy Lars. If this is true, he was just there once to help out, sort of a session musician. If that qualifies him, Marianne Faithful should be listed as band member too, just like the dozens of classic musicians who put down the string tracks on NEM. Get the point?--Skehrkrow (talk) 22:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Stylistic origins+ Queen, ref: Erlewine, Stephen Thomas; Prato, Greg, Metallica, All Music Guide HeyCongrats on bringing this article to FA-status. Medieval Man 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Mark Turczak?I don't know about you guys, but I've read Metallica's autobiography, been a fan for as long as I can remember and can recall most of their history pretty well, but how come I've never heard of the name Mark Turczak? It's mentioned in the first paragraph that he was the first bassist and got kicked out for being gay... or something weird. Never heard of it - don't believe it. Either someone prove me wrong or that's just not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archoran (talk • contribs) 21:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Newsted hazingI dont understand this statement: "Newsted's bass was purposely turned down on the album as a part of the continuous "hazing" he received, and his musical ideas were ignored." in the ...And Justice for All (1988–1990) section. It has "Some Kind of Monster feature film" as a source, but I didnt take a note about anything like this in the film. There is nothing about any hazing of Newsted in 1988-1990. Has anybody an explanation?--Lykantrop (Talk) 13:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The Road Virus Heads NorthNo, its not a song title. It's Stephen King story which mentions a deranged Metallica fan heading home from a concert. I'm gonna go search the internet to see if i can find a reference. Or we could just say its in the book, Everythings Eventual. Whatever.♠Д narchistPig♠ (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC) Power Metal Demo????How come Power Metal is listed? not even Metallica's website acknowledges that "demo" 205.118.119.223 (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC) The albums' genre
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Burningclean [speak] 22:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Metallica's InfluencesJust a thought, but it seems to me that listing Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin as the band's primary influences is misleading. While those bands certainly did influence Metallica, I think it'd be more useful to substitute the bands Metallica (by their own admission) imitated. According to the 'Garage Inc.' booklet, Metallica initially set out to be a combination of Diamond Head and Motorhead. Besides the above quote, this influence in immediately apparent to a greater degree than the influence of the three bands currently listed. I feel that this change will make that particular section more accurate. Thoughts? OlympicSharpshooter (talk) 05:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Guitar Hero: Metallicahttp://www.gamespot.com/news/6191921.html It's pretty much confirmed. Should we add this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insaneingus (talk • contribs) 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC) I'm thinking we should add Metallica's inclusion in Guitar Hero 3 under the "Legacy and Influence" section. I think it's key because this reflects Metallica's continuing legacy in media, beyond just the music they play. A note about it being one of the hard songs on the game would be nice as well =D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoobots (talk • contribs) 18:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Metal Churchi think you can add them at the "Associated Acts" bar... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.108.119.253 (talk) 09:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Update"With over 95 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States" Metallica have sold over 100 million albums worldwide it even says on their website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIKE2402 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Usually wikipedia doesn't accept primary-source data. Haxxiy (talk) 18:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Guitar Hero: Metallica In 2009,Guitar Hero is set to realese a Guitar Hero: Metallica Special Edition video game for the xbox 360. No word yet if its going to be for another console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettx44 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC) What about the entire Death Magnetic album being downloadable for Guitar Hero? Where's news about them covering Iron Maiden for Kerrang! Death Magnetic box set? Latest concert info? Future plans? This is Wikipedia, where's the info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.82.5 (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
BEFORE YOU REMOVE PROGRESSIVE METAL FROM THE GENRE LIST!It should be noted that this one could be argued greatly. If you listen to thier first four albums, specifically Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All they have alot of unique arrangements and don't really follow the typical flow of a song. I think the genre should stay. That is just my opinion. Burningclean [speak] 08:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
didnt metallica do a consert with slipknot?Xskootafreek (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)a little while ago slipknot and metallica were on stage together? is that included as an assosiated act if not dont worry about it.Xskootafreek (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Albums SoldMetallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95!!! 100 millions has sold!!!! http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Bass Players and Guitar playersAt the start, it says McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Kirk Hammett and Cliff Burton, respectively. RESPECTIVELY. Needs to be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpob5 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Maiden cover,Death in a coffin,second leg of the tour startedcan someone add something about the Maiden cover,Death Magnetic Box set and second leg of the tour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.229.150 (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Metallica formed in San Francisco, not LAPlease, edit the very first line of the article. It is a known fact that Metallica was formed in San Francisco. They moved to LA later on, having decided to get Cliff Burton on board, who was reluctant to leave Los Angeles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artrage (talk • contribs) 20:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Disgruntled fan deletes whole pageI already reported this, but the immature fuck deleted it. Someone deleted the whole page, all the information, and replaced it with "Metallica are fucking sellouts". Could someone IP ban the person, and restore the information? PS. Whoever is doing it, you have no life, what so ever. PHX606 Heavy Metal?Metallica are heavy metal, but that is an umbrella term for them. It should be thrash metal. I edited all of their albums to "by THRASH METAL band Metallica, but they were all changed to Heavy metal. Whoever is changing it has no idea what Metallica is. I'd suggest changing it to Thrash metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.218.17 (talk) 01:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Lloyd Grant-memberLloyd Grant is a member.Did you read the book ``The truth about metallica``Binzisimpsons (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |