Talk:Barrie

55 Stitches

Does anyone else get the impression that the band themselves added this? They're not signed and aren't even really locally known... I'm deleting this soon unless someone provides a good reason to keep it in the town's article.

I live and have lived for my whole life in Barrie and must say, who are the 55 Stitches???? Wikada - ^{Talk Contributions} 00:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not notable - delete. PKT 02:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Metropolitan Barrie

Does anyone know what constitutes Metro. Barrie? I've lived just outside Barrie my whole life and I've never heard of the term. I assume (based on the fact that there is an exact population) that it is an offical region, and I'm just curious if anyone knows what it includes/where i could find this info. Thanks Priester 17:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm from Barrie and I'm pretty sure that Barrie isn't part of a metropolitan area. — nathanrdotcom ^{(T • C • W)} 07:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Barrie's neighborhoods

I've lived in the Barrie area all my life (Barrie since I was 19) and I have have never heard of a neighborhood called Tall Trees --Jbfraser 21:07, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

<Revision>"Tall Trees" is used to describe the Northern Central section of Barrie, primarily around Cundles P.S.

Tall Tress is the general area of Springdale Drive including Deerpark, Virgilwood, Fosestdale and the other courts. Tall Trees spans from Cundles East to where Birchwood was extended (Up to Stanley) along Deerpark (up to Cardinal) all of the courts/roads that begin and terminate on Springdale are also included. Tall Trees gained its name from the many trees in the area. Tall Trees park is the central item of the neighbourhood but has become quite unsavoury as of late. - Conor.anderson 00:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Barrie as Part of GTA / Suburb of Toronto

A contributor known only by an IP address, edited the following passage on the grounds that Barrie could not in any way be considered part of the GTA.

Several manufacturers are currently located in Barrie and Canadian Forces Base Borden is nearby. In recent years Barrie has become an outer suburb of Toronto and is unofficially considered part of the Greater Toronto Area.

Well, heck, while whether Barrie is part of the GTA is open to debate it seems to me that being described as an "outer suburb" of Toronto is a closer relationship than merely being part of the GTA. Geo Swan 16:00, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The only people who live in Barrie that believe or propagate the myth that Barrie is or will ever be part of the greater Toronto area are those who have reciently moved to Barrie from Toronto. These said people are still a minority within the city and live primarily in the southern end. Every other person who thinks this way is misinformed of trying to capitilize politically on Barrie's massive growth and land needs.

B-Town? In 16 years of living in Barrie, I have never heard anybody call it that...

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the amount of time you've spent there indicates your age. the youth call it b-town. You call it "stucksville". 16 years? sheesh... time to move.

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Actually, I moved to Barrie when I was young, grew up there, and am currently attending University in Waterloo.

I am 17, have lived in Barrie all my life and I must confirm that I have NEVER heard anyone refer to Barrie as B-Town. From time to time I hear B-Dot, but simply as a joke. I think it is safe to say that no one (or at least very few people) would seriously call this town "B-Town". - Conor.anderson 00:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard that either and I grew up there.

As a helpful tip, new comments go to the end of the page. — Nathan ^(talk) 18:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Switch around some pages...

Why didn't we make Barrie have the Barrie page and create a disambiguation page for other cities. eg. This article is about the City of Barrie. For other articles named Barrie, see Barrie (disambiguation).

If you see what links to Barrie (the page, not the city), most of it is related to Barrie, Ontario. Just my thoughts... Wikada - ^{Talk Contributions} 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that we're the only Barrie in the world... Doodledoo 13:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah thats my point.. when you look at the "What links here", almost ALL of it links to Barrie, Ontario. I meant that the surname and other articles should be on the disambiguation page. Wikada - TALK CONT ISU 12:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hick-ville!

Why did somebody get rid of the breakdown of people in Barrie? :( It used to say there was a high-90s percentage of white people, proving our ultimate hickishness! :'(

Edit: Ah, it was done here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barrie%2C_Ontario&diff=89939213&oldid=89562026

In all seriousness, these were actually interesting stats, even if they weren't sourced.. it'd be nice if something similar (and sourced) could be put in its place, instead of just deleting it all.

It'll be over a year before Statistics Canada releases anything from the 2006 Census for such things but from the 2001 Census, Community Highlights, City of Barrie, see the Immigration Characteristics table (scroll down, 8^th table on the page) and "Canadian-born population" 89,790, "Foreign-born population" (states nothing about "whitishness") at 12,165 means that 12,165 * 100 / 89,790 ("Canadian-born population") = 13.548279318409622 or 13.5% of Barrie's population weren't born in Canada as of the 2001 Census — if StatsCan't managed to sum the "Immigrated before 1991" and "Immigrated between 1991 and 2001" numbers properly. 9,975 + 2,190 = 12,165. Wow. They actually got that right; it's rare.

I wouldn't use the above method though. Knowing that 12,165 is the number of people in visible minority groups (means "not of white skin" in the Ontarios) the Barrie CSD, according to the 2001 Census, that number should be applied to the total population of the Barrie CSD in the first table, fist row: "Population in 2001" was 103,710. So what percentage is 12,165 ("Foreign-born population") of the total population? 12,165 * 100 / 103,710 = 11.729823546427538 or 11.7% of those residing in Barrie immigrated from 2001 back to forever ("Immigrated before 1991" means what again? Since the first known appearances of homosapien in what is now the City of Barrie, from 1991 to the 1981 Census, from 1991 to when? Click on the footnote to find out nothing then email infostats@statcan.ca to point out their stupidity), not 13.5%. Ask StatsCan't why. It shouldn't be so and wouldn't be so if the whole population of the Barrie CSD were included in "Canadian-born population" and the two Foreign born (for what?) columns, but it doesn't include the whole population, none of the data does, and they don't bother to address that either; leading to many incorrect percentages based on totally incorrect StatsCan't totals with no column for "Unaccounted", "Lost", "Went missing", "Evaporated", etc. to account for what is missed in every one of these tables that never account for the entire population. But for proper percentages the real total population is the number that has to be used.

The Visible Minority Status table below that gets into ethnicity but StatsCan't can't add two numbers and get the right answer with no rounding involved so the total in the "Visible minority population" column has to be checked (sum the numbers below it other than what isn't indented under it; "All others") then take the number from the top table, first row, "Population in 2001" 103,710.

If the actual sum of Chinese to but not including "All others" is actually correct then the percentage of maybe "white" people would be 4,960 (but the actual total of all visible minority groups) * 100 / 103,710 (2001 Census Barrie CSD pop) = 4.782566772731656 or 4.8% rounded, as in only 4.8% of the City of Barrie's total population were visible minorities as of the latest/only verifiable information available as yet and for another year or so. To inverse a percentage, subtract it from 100. E.g. 100 - 4.8 = 95.2% "whities."  :)

...I just imported the data into Excel (there's a "Download file" button at the top-right of the page cited above that uses comma-separated value (.csv) files that import into any spreadheet/database app) and the actual sum of "Visible minority population" is 4,960 as StatsCan't claims (first time ever around these tables): as of the 2001 Census.

So the above percentages are correct out to 15 decimal points if anyone wants to add them to the article. To round either of the percentages above, just pick however decimal points you want (1 or 2) in the percentage, look to the immediate right at the number you're chopping and if it's 5 or over then the number you're chopping at is bumped up by 1. E.g. 4.782566772731656% of the City of Barrie's population belonged to a visible minority (non-white) group, so to round to two decimals you'd look after 4.78 and if the next number to the right had been 5 or more then it would have been rounded to 4.79%. But since a 2 follows the second decimal number (8), the 8 stays as is.

This reference can be copied/pasted in to back it up:

<ref name=2001CensCommun>{{cite web
|url=
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3543042&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=barrie&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=35&B1=All&Custom=
|title=Community Highlights, City of Barrie
|work=[[Statistics Canada]], 2001 Census of Population
|date=[[2007-02-01]]
|accessdate=YYYY-MM-DD}}</ref>

If the above is copied/pasted in for verification, don't forget to change the accessdate= to the year-month-day (use 0 prior to any day/month under 9, as in 2007-04-02 for it to expand to the proper date format given the user's settings) if/whenever any of the above is used in the article and the reference above is used to back it all up.

You can also get the Barrie CA (2001 Census, same tables as for the CSD/municipality but with different data) or most any other geographical region from Statistics Canada, 2001 Census of Population, 2001 Community profiles. Try it, enter Barrie (or whatever), select Ontario (or whatever is appropriate for the name entered if not in Ontario), click on the "Search" button and just in "Most common matches" you'll get this:

Barrie, Ontario (City)

Barrie Island, Ontario (Township)

Barrie, Ontario (Census Agglomeration)

Dissolved (community(ies) having undergone an amalgamation/dissolution)

Barrie, Ontario (Township / Dissolved)

I'm from Toronto so won't be documenting any "hickishness" in the Barrie article. :) —S-Ranger 02:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Maple Grove Public School

Can somebody add Maple Grove to the list of schools it is located in the livingstone area and cundles area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.13.45.120 (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Geography and climate

this section needs to be fixed highways 27 and 11 no long run with in Barrie's city limits and highway 90 is no more --JB {{flagicon|Canada}} 08:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable People Brent Burns John Madden Ric Jackman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.156.177 (talk) 07:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The fire of 2007

Somebody at 76.69.123.114 added that the downtown Barrie fire of Dec/07 took place a week after the fire in Wasaga Beach. While it is factually accurate, the comment drew a connection between the two fires that shouldn't be made. I therefore undid the edits. PKT (talk) 01:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Rename pages

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move.

• Rename: Barrie → Barrie (disambiguation)
• Rename: Barrie, Ontario → Barrie

The term Barrie seems to be overwhelmingly associated with this city. Per WP:CANSTYLE and WP:PRIMARYUSAGE, the main article title should be used for this page, instead of as a disambiguation page. All entries currently listed on the dab page are either associated with the city (eg - electoral districts), or are part of an individual's name (that is, not the whole name). There is also one band, but it's called Little Barrie, and has its own primary title - a mention on the dab page is essentially a tangential link. Mindmatrix 17:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. Mindmatrix 17:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. While it may be the best known city, many of the author's on the list are better known than the city. Like James M. Barrie. GreenJoe 18:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • In fact, while many of the early results on Google, Canada are for the city, the first Wikipedia result is for J.M. Barrie. GreenJoe 18:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure, but none of those things are actually named Barrie, they simply contain it as part of their name. The city is the only topic on Wikipedia with the name Barrie. That was my original point above, and why I state that WP:PRIMARYUSAGE applies here. Mindmatrix 18:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't really understand what the problem is here. Unless one of those authors only goes by their last name and the article would most appropriately be moved to that one-word title, somewhat akin to Cher, there is no conflict between article titles. The purpose of dismabiguation is to resolve conflicts where two or more articles would qualify for the same title, not to guard against the unlikely scenario where there is a reader that can't tell the difference between Barrie and James M. Barrie. Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Dab pages aren't meant to serve as search indices for any and all titles which have the word that's being disambiguated in their name; they're meant to distinguish between articles which might otherwise qualify for the same title. If no other article on Wikipedia could ever be moved to the plain title "Barrie", then the plain title doesn't need to be a dab page. Bearcat (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Conforms to WP:CANSTYLE and subject is clearly the primary use of the Barrie title. Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support as per nom. The primary meaning of "Barrie" by far is the city and the others have "Barrie" only as part of their name. A hat note to the new dab page will be sufficient to direct readers to those meanings. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support per CANSTYLE and WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. DigitalC (talk) 06:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support per CANSTYLE reasons, and per Bearcats reasoning on why DAB pages exist. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 16:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.