Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 November 8

8 November 2008

Chaim Walkin

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Rabbi walkin is one of the most well-known and famous in Israel and the US. Born in Shanghai, China, Rabbi Chaim Walkin began his life during the miraculous escape of the Mirrer Yeshiva in WWII. coming to the US at 1946 as a kid who survived the war, thru Poland, Japan, and China. The New Yorh Times wrote and article front-page pic. about Chaim Walkin getting a citizenship. He studied at Telshe School in Cleveland, continuing at the Mir in Israel, becoming the Dean of rabbinical school Yeshiva Ateret Israel in Jerusalem [600 students]. maybe b/c it's mostlly inside the jewish area, you happen to not know about it. I will recommoend to bring the page back. you can look him up by google "rabbi chaim walkin". I think you can see him on youtube. since the entire jewish community world-wide speak hebrew and listen to him in this language, therefore it will be hard to show all the info.

here some info about the rabbi links:

1. http://www.1800eichlers.com/Browse-by-Author--Artist/Walkin--Rabbi-Chaim/c-1-131-812/
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths [look for the paragraph that starts with "in his book, Daas Chaim, Rabbi Chaim Walkin...]
3. http://www.kabbalah.com/k/index.php/p=life/spirituality/terumah2 [see paragraph: "to answer this question, rabbi chaim walkin..]
4. http://www.nehora.com/index.cfm/product/3642?CFID=31097920&CFTOKEN=61225369
5. http://www.machonyaakov.org/staff/#bio [see rabbi IMMANUEL BERNSTEIN bio: "receiving Rabbinic ordination from Rabbi Chaim Walkin in 2001"]
6. http://www.azamra.org/HTML/kidshealth.htm [see under "EDUCATIONAL ADVISORS:Rabbi Chaim Walkin, Dean of Students, Yeshiva Ateret Israel..]
7. http://www.raananakollel.org/audio_c_wolkin_elul.html
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waLQyZUUVb4&feature=related

this is just a quick search online. I can look up for more. --89.139.53.155 (talk) 17:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Looking at each of those:
  1. … is a book listing, with no informational content about this person.
  2. … is Wikipedia, and not a source.
  3. … is an article about something else, and tells us nothing about this person. It quotes xem; it does not document xem.
  4. … is another book listing, again with no informational content about this person.
  5. … documents another person, telling us nothing about the person at hand.
  6. … is a promotional brochure for about something else, and tells us nothing about this person. It provides no documentation of this person's life and works.
  7. … has no prose content. It's a sound recording, purportedly of this person speaking, and as such again not actually documentation of this person's life and works.
  8. … has no prose content. It's a video recording, purportedly of this person speaking, and as such again not actually documentation of this person's life and works.

Ironically, the one thing that actually would be useful as a source, a newspaper article that you state is actually about this person, documenting xem, is the one thing that you haven't cited.

You aren't making a case for having an encyclopaedia article. For a biographical article to exist, there need to be independent and reliable source materials documenting this person's life and works, from which such an article can be created in the first place. You aren't citing things that are even remotely close to being such sources. Please cite some proper sources. Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G (talk) 20:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Undelete One does not have to make a case for an encyclopedia article to avoid speedy deletion. all one must do if give some indication that might meet notability guidelines--if its disputed whether it does, afd is the place. Actually, I think he is very likely unquestionably notable, as the head of a rabbinical school (I presume this is the meaning of a "Dean" -- such has been repeatedly held to be notable.) For routine biographical facts, official websites are fine, per WP::PROF,DGG (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, but it's a good idea to point the potential re-creator of the article in the direction of what to cite in order to avoid the otherwise almost inevitable AFD listing that both you and Stifle are talking about. If the creator can be encouraged to approach writing the article in such a way that it avoids a round trip through AFD in the first place, so much the better. Speedy deletion is also not a bar to someone creating, right now, a good, robustly sourced, stub article on this subject. In many ways that would be a better outcome than simply undeleting the prior article, which cited no sources at all. Uncle G (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• Undelete per DGG. A mere claim of how the person might be important defeats an A7 speedy deletion; it's open for anyone to list this article at AFD if it's restored, but it's not so certain that it would be deleted there. Stifle (talk) 22:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• While the text as it existed at the time of the deletion pretty clearly qualified under CSD criterion A7, allegations of significance have now been made. Overturn speedy-deletion and list to AfD where Uncle G's concerns about sourcing can be fully evaluated. Rossami (talk) 02:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Endorse the speedy deletion - The A7 importance/significance claim needs to be in the article, not outside of it. A7 is a simple thing to overcome and if the editors interested in the topic couldn't even do that, then that seems to validate Uncle G's position and why we have A7 in the first place. -- Suntag ☼ 00:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• As for Wikipedia notability, I only found one Wikipedia reliable source in the past 20+ years, and that only has a short quote from him: Infield, Tom (October 9, 1983). "A City Is Bord For Followers of 'True Judaism'". The Philadelphia Inquirer. pp. A2. Retrieved 16 November 2008. "The Talmud instructs Jews not to make provocations of any kind; this is the reason," said Rabbi Chaim Walkin, spiritual leader of the yeshiva, a religious school, in Petah Tikva near Tel Aviv and a self-described ardent disciple of Rabbi Schach. "Being that we believe the words of the Talmud are as eternal as the Bible itself, we are bound not to do anything to provoke the nations of the world. . . . Any settlement on the West Bank is a blatant provocation." {{cite news}}: |section= ignored (help). Also see Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. There doesn't seem to be enough info to maintain a Wikipedia article. -- Suntag ☼ 11:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• On the other hand, this DRV discussion is to determine whether consensus supports the deletion under wp:speedy deletion. Wikipedia notability is an AfD issue and should not be a deciding factor in this DRV. (no wonder no one has closed this yet). -- Suntag ☼ 11:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Endorse speedy deletion per Uncle G and BLP. needs to stay gone until reliable sources are found. Once they are, I will naturally support recreation/undeletion. Eluchil404 (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I have two newspaper articles. should I post them here or Email it to one of you guys? --85.250.49.147 (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)