Talk:Ric Flair

Video Game Personality?

Ric Flair is involved in the expansion for the popular 'Red Alert 3' videogame, playing a character in the cutscenes; is this worth noting?Wired News 15:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.84.174 (talk)

Heading for divorce?

Slam!Wrestling says that Flair has split from his third wife.Here's the link [1].Can someone find another source?(MgTurtle (talk) 13:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC))

Not needed. SLAM is considered a reliable source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

What does this sentence mean

However, the Undertaker's and Vince McMahon's entrances were not shown on the TV taping of Raw for the week in order to prevent their characters (but included in Nature Boy Ric Flair: The Definitive Collection DVD as extras).

prevent their characters from what? 11:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Mr McMahon plays an arrogant heel who doesn't pay respect to anyone! They did it after the tv bit had ended because it would be bad for their gimmicks.Adster95 (talk) 12:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Backstage Politics

Shouldn't something be added about Flair's backstage politics? Eg. his unwillingness to put anyone over, to pass the torch, his refusal to work with certain wrestlers? This article reads like a Flair fanzine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.168.205 (talk) 09:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Beat up by daughter's 22 year old boyfriend

This is hilarious. The "mighty" Ric got his butt kicked by his daughter's little boyfriend. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419901,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.238.21 (talk) 21:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a 60 year old wrestler getting beaten up by a 22 year old in a car park brawl. How hilarious(!) Tony2Times (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

"Other signatures"

Who else thinks the ridiculous "other signatures" list should be turned into prose and merged into the "Legacy" section? Nikki311 23:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Definitely. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It's too long and it shouldn't be under in wrestling. RandySavageFTW (talk) 17:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, God, yes. I've never seen that before... Don't know how I missed it. That's ridiculous. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyone gonna do it? RandySavageFTW (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Power plays

What about a section on Flair's power plays, creative control etc?! This prick has fucked up the careers of many many men. Fuck him!—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Please calm down!! Please be civil!!!. WIkipedia is not a forum!!! Thanks a lot, Genius101 _{T. C.} 20:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

NWA

Shouldnt his induction into the NWA HOF be added into the opener?LifeStroke420 (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Was he actually inducted into the NWAHOF? I realise I currently have no source, but remember hearing that when he stated he was contractually unable to appear, the NWA did not induct after all. Anyone with a source one way or the other? 41.245.168.88 (talk) 14:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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The NWA World Title switches in New Zealand & Singapore in 1984

All of Flair's reigns are listed under the member promotion he won the title in, except one. First, under Mid Atlantic/Jim Crockett Promotions/WCW someone put 6 times, it's actually 7: 1.Beat Harley Race at Starrcade 83 2.Beat Dusty Rhodes in 1986 3.Beat Ron Garvin in 1987 4.Beat Rick Steamboat in 1989 5.Beat Sting in 1991 6.Beat Tatsumi Fujinami in 1991. The match where Fujinami won was in New Japan. WCW consider Flair to still be WCW Champ via DQ. The NWA considered it a title change, so Fujinami was the new NWA World Champ, even if WWE doesn't recognize the switch. The rematch at SuperBrawl I was a WCW event 7.Beat Barry Windham in 1993.

The other 3, the first was beating Dusty Rhodes in 1981. Was this a St. Louis or Central States show? The 1986 match against Dusty, was this a JCP or Central States show? It definitely was one of Bob Geigel's rings, but Crockett was running the area by then. To keep it simple I'll just list the 1986 win as being a JCP show. There was the match where Flair beat Kerry Von Erich on an All Japan show. This leaves the switches a few months before. Here's the story: Steve Rickard was the NWA member in New Zealand. His promotion was called All Star Pro Wrestling and he was an NWA member from 1972-2001. All the people that screamed that the NWA became WCW, there wouldn't be an NWA today if not for Steve Rickard. He was the one that had got together with WCW to bring about the NWA tournaments in 1992. Anyway, Flair & Race had a match in Wellington, New Zealand. The NWA didn't okay a title change, but Rickard did a switch anyways. Funny thing no one knew, Houston promoter Paul Boesch just happened to be in attendance. While Boesch is mistakingly called an NWA member (he left the NWA in the early 70's) he did remain in good terms with the Board. When he saw what happened, he tried to get in touch with the Board in the US. Problem is it took two days to get through to the US. By this point, Steve Rickard's brother Tony (who was the NWA member in Singapore) hosted another Flair-Race match in Kallang, Singapore two days after the switch in Wellington. By the time the NWA Board was told about what happened, the belt was back on Flair. They just ignored it until the early 90's. When Howard Brody was NWA President he was quoted as saying that the switch did take place, so why not recognize it. It's funny that Race calls himself an 8 time NWA World Champion and WWE sometimes call him a 7 time champ, sometimes they call him an 8 time champ, yet they refuse to acknowledge this switch in Flair's reigns class="autosigned">—Preceding MrNWA4Life 08:17 17 March 2009

Whenever the NWA switched the World Title, the board would have to vote on it. If the board voted "no" then no switch took place. When the NWA was touring Oceania/Asia the local promoters put the situation to the board, who voted overwhelming AGAINST switching the belt. However, the NZ promoter basically went into business for himself, and had Race win. The NWA's immediate response was to annul/overturn the decision. Instead the local promoters ahd Flair win back the belt, and return to the US as champion. The NWA's decision was simply to ignore two unsanctioned title changes that the vast majority of wrestling fans had no idea had ever even happened. However the NWA of the post-WCW era(a completely different beast) decided to recognize these changes. Largely because one of the main movers and shakers of the post-1993 NWA was the same guy who had gone into business for himself back in 1984! To say that "They happened. Everyone knows they happened, so why not recognize them?" is ridiculous. What about the Flair-Colon switches? The Flair-Veneno switches? In the days when wrestling was territorial there were NUMEROUS "title changes" that were just for the local crowd. However the NWA NEVER recognized these, as they were invariably done against the express wishes of the NWA board who voted for all title changes etc. Since wrestling is a work, and is booked and written, what the bookers/writers/promoters say is what matters. If some people care so little about their employers and the business that they are in as to blatantly disregard the booking orders and plans, that is thier problem. The NWA NEVER sanctioned those changes, the board voted OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST those changes, and the NZ/Singapore promoters (2 brothers)had NO RIGHT to make them.So the NWA did the distinguished thing and just ignored them, as technically they never existed, as they were never truly NWA sanctioned matches as such.41.245.185.66 (talk) 09:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, the Fujinami switch was never acknowledged AT THE TIME by the NWA. Only after the NWA-WCW split did the NWA then go "Oh yeah Fujinami DID win the NWA World Title back in 1991!" You recognize this, yet the whole Hulk Hogan/AWA thing is ridiculous? why? What's the difference? 41.245.185.66 (talk) 09:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The bottom line is this, the NWA since the early 90's has recognized the Flair-Race switch in 1984. Just because you don't or WWE don't, doesn't matter. The organization that owns the title recognizes it. Yes, that very same NWA Board that didn't recognized the change in 1984, recognized it in the early 90's. I don't know the details of the Flair-Colon match, but Colon isn't a recognized champion. As for the Jack Venano match, yes Flair was pinned due to the fact that he & Venano got to close to the Presdient of the Dominican Republic, the President's bodyguards pulled out guns, Flair freaked out and pulled Venano on top of him to get a pinfall and get out alive. There was no rematch where Flair got the belt back and Flair did leave the Dominican Republic with the belt. So there was no change.

As for the Flair-Fujinami switches, the NWA recognized the switches from Day One. I've read articles as far back as 1991 that stated that there were issues between the NWA & WCW. The NWA always recognized the switches whereas WCW considered Flair to still be WCW Champ. The rematch at the first Superbrawl had Flair retain the WCW Title and regain the NWA World Title. Of course WCW didn't recognize anything, they were trying to make people think they were the NWA and changed their name to WCW. Hell, the same WCW had Flair vacate the WCW Title after a double pinfall after a match with Rick Steamboat. Flair regained the title in a rematch for the vacant title, then 2 weeks later WCW forgot it ever happened! Regardless of what you may think, the NWA recognizes Flair as a 10 time NWA World Champion. Oh, BTW, the current Executive Director of the NWA, Robert Trobich, had served as the NWA's legal council since 1989. Again, so much for the current NWA having no link to the past!

As for the Hogan/AWA World Title, it is ridiculous. Verne Gagne never recognized Hogan as his champ. This all came about because a con artist of a promoter named Dale Gagner claimed to buy the AWA trademarks in bankruptcy court and then decides to add Hogan's name in the AWA World Title history. The claims of buying the AWA in bankruptcy court turned out to be bogus as Gagne still owned then and sold everything (AWA trademarks & video library) to Vince McMahon. WWE took Gagner to court over the AWA and Gagner didn't even show up. If this guy wanted to start his own new AWA, that's one thing, but this con artist claimed his promotion is the same as Verne's (already proven false) and linked his titles to Verne's. It's comparing apples & oranges. People can moan about the NWA of the 90's or today not being the same NWA as the 80's. Newsflash, many of the longtime members were members well into the 90's. Jim Crockett Jr. was a member until 1995, Don Owen was a member from the early 50's until 1992, Steve Rickard was a member from 1972-2001, and Larry O'Day, the Australian promoter was a member from the 70's until he died in 1997. MrNWA4Life 09:35, 25 July 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.123.53.88 (talk)

Ring of Honor

This does not need its own section IMO. It's pretty clear (based on the official statements) that he's not gonna be wrestling, it's nothing more than a deal for him to show up and sign autographs for fans. There is nothing about him wrestling or any other involvement. A 1 or 2 sentence mention in the retirement section is enough. TJ Spyke 23:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem is he is involved in the tv show and seems to be a main figure here and there. He is set to appear at the next tapings in May.--WillC 04:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

How come it isn't mentioned at all anymore? Are we waiting to see what else he goes on to do? If Matt Hardy's one time appearance gets a mention then Flair's multiple appearances should as well. Tony2Times (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Legacy

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ripping on Flair or anything, but shouldn't some of his behind the scene politicing of his career also be in here? To me, this page seems to glorify Flair. Flair did put a lot of people down with his booking influence in order to keep himself and his friends at the top. I would do this myself, but there are some better authors that me around here. Like I said, I'm not trying to rip the guy, but I think the controversies he created should also be noted on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 04:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It's sort of covered in the Real Life Feuds section though maybe that should be retitled to make it clearer. Tony2Times (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is he called Nature Boy?

The article doesn't say why he chose that name --AW (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

"Flair, however, reached elite status when he began referring to himself as "The Nature Boy," which incited a 1978 feud with the original "Nature Boy," Buddy Rogers, who put Flair over in one encounter." Tony2Times (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but why did he choose "Nature Boy"? Why not something else? --AW (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

To spark a feud with Buddy Rogers, and then the name stuck. Like Cena's FU name was meant to mock Brock Lesnar's F5. Tony2Times (talk) 23:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Early life

"Flair was born on February 25, 1949. Various places have been given for his birthplace. In his autobiography Flair claims he was born in Memphis, Tennessee. In the opening chapter of his autobiography To Be the Man, titled "Black Market Baby," he notes that his birth name is given on different documents as Fred. At the time of his adoption, his father was completing a residency in gynecology in Detroit."

The above is (badly!) written as to assume the reader has prior knowledge of Flair being adopted. Since this came as news to me as a 43 year-old wrestling fan it is reasonable to assume the general public being equally ignorant in this respect. (Kmitch87 (talk) 09:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC))