User talk:Jayron32

Request for clarification: User:The Wurdalak and User:Manhattan Samurai

Have you seen this lately? Seems clear to me you can reset or indef. Post what you decide in the RFAR clarification and we can archive it then. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Whistleblowers and drama

Followup to [[1]]

Thanks for your reply. I won't reopen the topic there, particularly since the subthread was losing WP:AN relevance.

Whistleblowers in the corporate world really are disruptive; they aren't simply a blessing. From what years of reading whistleblower stories in the Financial Times has told me, it is quite normal for whistleblowers to resort to high drama when they are stonewalled. And Peter Damian really has been stonewalled: the collective failure to acknowledge that should really bother those with a clue who care about the future of WP. That is the point, and not judging how best to deal with a nuisance. — Charles Stewart (talk) 12:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

You clearly don't understand what a corporate whistle-blower is. It is a person who makes a decision to call bullshit on their firm's practices from within the firm, often not involving the public, nor the media. It is an ethical decision and a whistle-blower seeks to change a firm's conduct by revealing practices to members of a chain of command, until one will hopefully take notice. This is in no way related to PD who soapboxes offsite. I think you may have seen too many Lifetime Movie Network flicks about sexual harassment or evil accountants. Law _{type! snype?} 13:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(EC with law, reply to OP)The problem is conflating this issue of "whistleblowing", which is a Good Thing in the sense that sometimes we need people to take a real critical look at leadership practices, and call out when there are real problems, and "disruption", which is what is going on here. When you start to use other terms to name garden variety disruption you excuse it. --Jayron32 13:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Great Wikipedia Writeout?

If you'll notice, there are currently 403 Good article nominations up. Some date back to April (and maybe even March?). What do you think of having a Writeout, where the purpose is to stop writing articles for 5 days, and review GAN's to reduce the backlog? (Seems like a crazy idea at first, but when you stop to think about it... not so much). iMatthew ^talk at 19:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It's been done before, to great success actually. There was a Good Article evaluation drive run 2-3 years ago which once got the backlog down to a day or two (no joke). I would contact User:Jennavecia (nee LaraLove) about the last one, as she was the primary organizer. I used to be heavily involved in WP:GA myself, but a group of editors took control of the process in a very WP:OWN way, and it drove me (and some other prolific editors) away from the process, which has become quite convoluted and hard to navigate, which may explain the major backlog problems. I think that clearing the backlog would be a good idea, so contact Jennavecia about how she organized the last one, however I think the source of the backlog now is endemic to the way the GA project is now being run, and until the process can be simplified or cleaned up, you are unlikely to gain much traction. Good luck and godspeed! --Jayron32 19:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, OhanaUnited organized it, I think. I was the one that quality reviewed most of the articles. A couple hundred I think. There wasn't a writeout for it, but we did get a great deal of participation from the GA project members. Unfortunately, like Jayron, I don't participate in GA matters much. I keep a quiet eye on Sweeps progress, but that's about it. Lara 04:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

What is happening?

I saw my name at the bottom but Mythdon said I wasn't allowed to edit admin areas because I don't have enough edits.--The Singer Who Carries A Trumpet (talk) 03:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Please feel free to make any comments you need to. Not sure where it will help though. This is NOT your first account and is clearly being used in a manner which is in violation of WP:SOCK. --Jayron32 04:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Have been watching

Hi Jayron - I've been watching. Thought I'd get in early before I log off for a while. Whilst I am still a little concerned by his response to your question on OWN; I'm quite okay for your unblocking if you reach a position where he can provide you with an unambiguous return that meets your requirements. Best wishes--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 04:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I also think there's some biting going on here. See my comments at Martin451's talk page. I fully support your initial block, and support Martin451's version of the article, however I also think we need to use this as a means to help the new user along. I really think he wants to learn to "do it right" and can be turned into a positive user with a little understanding and help here. --Jayron32 04:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 04:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

New page development

Hello,

I want to publish a page on an Organization. I have created an write up keeping all the rules and regulations of Wiki in mind. I wanted your assistance in verifying it and helping me in publishing this article.

--Peswriter (talk) 05:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:YESDRAMA

Since you have founded the Great Wikipedia Dramaout, I am here to inform you of the following:

Hi, Jayron32! You are invited to participate in the Great Wikipedia Dramaonly, an effort to end arguments and discussions, and fight vandalism! It is intended to stop discussions from interfering everyone's work in the article namespace. Please sign up here! Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 10:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 04:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Good luck with that! It looks like a worthwhile project! --Jayron32 21:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy Jayron32's Day!

User:Jayron32 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Jayron32's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Jayron32! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! What did I do to get this honor? --Jayron32 00:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Unblock of User:Agnapostate

I just realized that I may have stepped on your toes on this one; you declared yourself neutral in order to gain community input. Then I stepped in after a bit and unblocked anyway. I apologize if I did anything out of line, and like I stated at AN, I will take responsibility. Tan | 39 18:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

no problem. Sounds fine to me. However, should he go off the reservation, he's your problem! Good luck! --Jayron32 23:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like he doesn't agree to my rules anyway, might be a quick reblock coming up. Tan | 39 00:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

please adopt me

i am new to wikipedia and i not sure wat to do. I was clicking on things and it sent me to an adoption thing and i was reading it and it said that the person you pick or the person that picks you can help you out and trust me I NEED HELP! i would be very happy if you could help me out.I do not know how to do the sign your post thing so youh can find me at the adoption thing. User name:BooBeeCiCi. Thank you and have a blessed day —Preceding unsigned comment added by BoobeeCiCi (talk • contribs) 23:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I am taking a online course and i would like to know if you can help me on it i'm not saying to do the work for me but help find information stuff like that. And what is a guest book because I was looking at other adopters pages and I see It and sence my profile is a boring I wana know how to spice it up a little bit. One more thing what is the watchlist and what is it for. You might think that I am asking alot from you but I'M TRYING TO LEARN .--BoobeeCiCi 01:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I was helpful

Thanks agian and about the books I do go to the library. and it is helpful alot but I got most on my work done it's just i dont find every thing I am looking for But i will figure it out some way but thanks bunches have a blessed day. (BoobeeCiCi 01:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BoobeeCiCi (talk • contribs)

Thanks.

Thanks for your quick help in my unblock. I chose that username for my test(Which I figured the filter would catch anyway) and in case it didn't catch the name (Which it didn't)I would have some piece of mind knowing that a true vandal could not take the name and abuse it. I thanks you greatly for your understanding.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 02:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Replying to your message

See WP:ANI. There's some shenanigans going on here...

Kind of like there were some steroids used in the NFL? :) But I agree. The more I looked at the block logs, the timing of the user contributions, and the contributions themselves, the more I realized something odd is going on there. —C.Fred (talk) 03:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello,

I have made this page in my own sub-page. Actually I don't know how do I send you this page? Should I copy paste the edit section of my sub-page and put it in your talk or if there is some other way please inform me. This page is about an organization called SoftDEL systems.

Thank you for replying.

Waiting for your feedback.

--Peswriter (talk) 12:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

infobox footnote problem

See my reply on the Help Desk. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 00:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

ANI thread email

Hey mate please do get back to me at your convenience regarding my email about the ANI thread you closed last night. I'd like your analysis and any suggestions please. Thanks, Nja²⁴⁷ 15:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

deleted reference

Black Country

hi all not finding it easy to find the answer to my querry so best i ask

in the reference section of the black county i place a link to a no profit or no advertising page this is called black country connection. it consists of a project to link all the common name of the black country together but for some reason this link keeps getting deleted there are a few links similar to language and general forum but they remain un touch so i was wondering what is the problem cheers peterjd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterjd (talk • contribs) 18:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ask the people who are deleting the link. They should be able to explain why they are doing so. --Jayron32 19:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk"

could you please explain why the deletion ≤±−≥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterjd (talk • contribs) 20:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Notability issue

Hello,

I have made changes in the Write-up and made the reference proper. Please review User:Peswriter/Softdel and give feedback. Let me know if any other issues are to be sorted out.

Thank you

--Peswriter (talk) 12:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Was the tripwire tripped?

A tale: Catherine Yronwode (who also sometimes is a Wikipedian) was contributing some stuff about murderers. A few editors thought it cruft and a few editors thought it encyclopedic. I was in the latter camp and ........ {sighs} Viriditas was in the former. He single-handedly kept four or five if us inclusionist Wikipedians at bay over the issue for a fortnight. (As just one minute example, he turned cat's article into a redirect, blanking its page about a score of times.) Finally I listed the article at AfD (despite my support for it) and it ended up being kept (of course, by default/no consensus). What's my point in this story? (Cos, as Ellen DeGeneres says, I do have one -- )
- - -
Despite Viriditas's exactingly mainstream Wikipedian editing philosophy, his methods are still fringy. (Cf the folks you mention in your convincing meta anlysis over at the WP:ANI thread.) Really, my thinking had been that the trip wire for probationary status had been tripped by his antics, and there are a sizeable number of editors who felt likewise about Viriditas's behaviors, as witness the recent WP:ANI/3RR thread. (I said "are" but maybe I should have said "There were many others." Where are they? They don't care about the probationary status, apparently.) Ironically, in that complaint, I myself expressed an opinion that since Veriditas had not gone over 3rr, he should escape any conceivable sanction there. (Why should Viriditas restrict himself to less than 3rr unilaterally? Such strictures really shouldn't be imposed only 1-way, in my opinion.) ↜Just M E here , now 19:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually realized that he is very very good. The reason he wasn't in violation of 3RR in the last report was that in his three edits within 8 hours he inserted "White House Meeting", "White House Invitation and Meeting", and "White House Invitation". It would be comic if it wasn't wasting everyone's time! Manyanswer (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, What? --Jayron32 05:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Jayron32, A splash of this conversation over on Manyanswer's talkpage made it over to here. Sorry. ↜Just M E here , now 12:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Good suggestion

Hello,

It would be good if you could post request on Wiki help desk we can get more feedback on the article then. I too will try to get more valuable references and edit the article. Will let you know if some editing carried out.

Thank you

--Peswriter (talk) 05:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Review by other editors

Hello,

I hope you have put my writeup on Wikipedia:Help Desk for other editors to give there feedback. I have not received any opinion from other writers. Please provide me with pointers to make the page eligible for publication.

Thank you

--Peswriter (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It's your page. You know what you want, so YOU should be the one to ask for help at the help desk. It's great to do things on your own. --Jayron32 03:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

pervious post black country

i did as you surgested and put the black country connection back into the reference section of the black country page there looks like two alteration have happend one by mcgeddon which looks like he removed hurricane 1973 post and one by an ip address 62.30.108.112 but the connection is no longer there so im no the wiser as who deleted it any assisted or advice would be appreciated as im a novice when it comes to wikiapedia

thankyou peterjd 13/8/09Peterjd (talk) 17:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

User talk:94.192.38.247

IP continues to remove WHOIS template after you left your message to him. Please see history. Momo san ^Gespräch 02:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Well aware. See WP:AN. SOmeone uninvolved need to block him. This is beyond rediculous. --Jayron32 03:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I happened to find it after I wrote this. Thanks. Momo san ^Gespräch 03:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles regarding castes in Kerala

Thanks for your suggestion for putting a cleanup tag, such as {{POV}}, AND simultaneously start a thread on the article's talk page explaining my concerns on Nair discussion page. However, as foretold by you I already feel like you are King Cnut ordering the tides to stop coming in. Users have already deleted those tags promptly, and in discussion page I have been told that those pages will be maintained themselves and don't want anybody else to interfere. I have put back those tags, but I request you to intervene and see to that those tags remain until issues are verified in a neutral manner.Failing which Wikipedia will become a forum where all try to boast that mine is the biggest. The discussions and articles pages for Nair are turning into poor copy of a blog (It also looks like some users may be socket puppets). Regards Sarvagyana guru (talk) 03:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I take the page Live

Hello,

I wanted your advice on taking the User:Peswriter/Softdel page live on wiki. Please guide me.

Thank you

--Peswriter (talk) 10:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Made some major changes

Hello,

I have made some changes in the write-up User:Peswriter/Softdel. Please give feedback. I will be taking the article live in some days.

Thank you

--Peswriter (talk) 06:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Claudia Palacios IBS IP vandal reappears

The repeat IP vandal is after the article on Claudia Palacios again, having struck four times after the second successive three-month protection was lifted. As you may recall, this IP vandal inserts references to irritable bowel syndrome. I think another three-month or longer protection might be justified. Jhw57 (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, its been a little slow still. I still think we can leave it unprotected for now. Looking at the history, the article has only been vandalized 4 times since protection expired in May. That's 4 times in over 3 months. I think we can keep up with it! When it becomes unstoppable, we can return protection. I have the article watched myself, and we can all just revert the problems. I can keep up with reverting one vandalism every 3-4 weeks... --Jayron32 17:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Why are you and others deleting my entry? How can I improve it?

Hi,

I keep updating my Disambiguation page for my name and it keeps getting deleted. You did it a few minutes ago. Why are you doing this and how can I improve my post so you and your peers stop deleting me?

You left me a message that a person shouldn't post an article about themselves. How do you know who I am? As for the legitimacy of my post, again I ask, how do You know? I work for the biggest radio station in America and I would like to show up in a search. If someone else posts the exact same listing is that ok? I want to do this right.

Thank you for your help

96.242.190.19 (talk) 02:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

96.242.190.19 (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

How to take it live

Hello,

I am not getting the method to make the subpage User:Peswriter/Softdel live. Please tell me the steps to make it live on wikipedia.

Thank you for your guidance

--Peswriter (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Conflicts

Thankyou for your warning yesterday, that was all I needed.. As for my reason for being uncivil I think you can see the reason. If not see User:Huldra and the link. I tried to help her and her project in good faith and spend many hard hours working yesterday so to see that article she posted about me, you understand... I rarely lose my temper with somebody like that but I treat others as they treat me... BTW is it is also acceptable to have that link to an attack forum? I know that personal attacks are not permitted on here but providing that link on wikipedia is creating about as much of a personal attack and invitation to unleash wounds at me as it can get. Isn't there a policy against external links to offensive attack pages? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Probably. I am glad you have calmed down, I think what is for the best it to let the whole thing drop and move on. --Jayron32 17:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello,

Thanks Jayron for putting the page. Can we change the heading "Softdel system" to "Softdel System" the system with an capital 'S'. Can you guide me through it.

Thank you for all your help

--Peswriter (talk) 06:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey I was able to change it to capital S thanks a lot for all your help

--Peswriter (talk) 06:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Block question

Hi Jayron32. Well, it was really for a combination of both incivility and Vandalism. Check out this user's talk page history and their contribs. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

User:MR KennedyDX seems to also have been harassing User:Artichoker - see this and Artichoker's talk page history -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm...Fair enough - would you like to do the honors? -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that - you may want to see this -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Why User:Peswriter/softdel

Hello,

While doing a Google search for 'Softdel' why the wiki page link is shown as 'User:Peswriter/softdel' instead of 'SoftDEL systems - wikipedia page'.

--Peswriter (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ciao and thanks!

Ciao and thanks a lot !--Santasa99 (talk) 17:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

---

I am a little rashly concluded that I have no more questions, but I have.

1. What happened with my user page content - infoboxes, txt, etc. ?

2. Other accounts Umagli, SabeSabe and ZmajeviOdBosne are still blocked, should I apply for every single one for unblocking or admin and/or you simply forget to unblock these other accounts (I assume that we reached agreement that my family can keep the accounts with the adequate labeling (WP:FAMILY, WP:SOCK), and operating ina acordance of rules and guidelines such as "Using multiple accounts" or "Alternative account" with "Alternative account notification"?

Thank you.--Santasa99 (talk) 17:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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No problems, thanks a lot, again, you have been of great halp. Ciao and take care.--Santasa99 (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for answering my question about editing semi-protected pages. Youknow009 (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

IP is a sock

The IP i suspected as a sock of SpaceFlight89 is his IP I believe. There is no one who reverts more of my edits to anyone than him. SpaceFlight89 was just on that page welcoming the user and when I wished the user luck...the ip reverted it and called me a troll, so there is no doubt in my mind he is a sock.(Zaxby (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC))

If that is the case, please file a report at WP:SPI. Also, being accidentally logged out while editing does not mean that one is in violation of WP:SOCK. --Jayron32 16:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

That IP from California is not mine. I don't live in the United States. —SpaceFlight89 16:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't really care. Take it up at the WP:AN report or otherwhere. My talk page is not the place for the two of you to carry on this discussion. --Jayron32 16:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say ...

... thanks for the backup, and taking over at that ANI thread this morning (my timezone). Appreciate the help. ;) — Ched :  ?  00:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. --Jayron32 04:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Need a Little Help

User:Rgowran continues to add this section to Jack Van Impe. Willking1979, myself and admin OlEnglish tried to explain it to the user that is needed sources, probably violated BLP and NPOV among other things on Willking1979's talk page. The user readded the section and it is now an ongoing discussion on my talk page. Could you have a look at the situation, the comments, and maybe add your own? Maybe if he hears something from an admin he will accept it. Thanks! - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If you need help from an admin, you should go to WP:ANI and ask for such help. I may or may not comment there if the topic catches my interest, but if you really need admin help, then you should give the opportunity for a full public review of the situation, and not just my opinion. --Jayron32 06:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Okie DOkie...just grabbed the first admin I seen on my watchlist :) Taking it to ANI. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

In case you want to comment, the ANI thread is here. User has been notified as well. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

"Second toughest judge at WP:ANI"???

It's a shame I never got to find out who he thinks the toughest judge is. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Milomedes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

That guy Milomedes had been on the system since May of 2005, with no previous blocks. I'm just wondering how he managed to get himself indef'd over such an easily fixable screwup. Maybe there's a lesson in there somewhere. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 11:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the lesson is, don't threaten to take people to court and then force them to reveal their usernames. He managed to violate WP:NLT and WP:OUTING within the span of a single sentence. He was also given ample opportunity to retract his threats, and rather than do so, he repeatedly stood by them. He was given MORE than enough opportunity to stop his disruption, and he did not. --Jayron32 15:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

As he's a redlink despite being registered 4 1/2 years ago, I suspect we have not seen the last of him. So who is the "toughest judge" on ANI? Or are all the others tied for first place? :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 15:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Please... I am FAR from the toughest admin around here. I frequently advocate for more lenience in certain things. See the discussion at AN on Username Blocks, for example. However, some stuff is just too eggregious to let stand. Threatening to take people to court over a Wikipedia dispute is beyond the pale. What is shocking is that it took someone almost a day to do so; as the comment right before I blocked indicates, that such a threat was allowed to stand for so long, even in the face of refusing to retract it. --Jayron32 15:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I just wonder who he thought was the toughest, if he thought I was "only" the "second toughest". He also claimed he and I had had some positive discussion somewhere, but he didn't provide a diff, I don't remember every user I've ever run across, and regardless, legal threats, or anything looking like legal threats, have to be deal with immediately and firmly. I'm not an admin, or I would have indef'd him in a New York second. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 19:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

wp:an/i

While I certainly was expressing frustration, that was not the intent of the post. I believe that there are important issues that were raised with regard to one very important policy, and I regret the fact that they'll not be considered as you have collapsed the post. I urge to to reconsider your evaluation; if it is possible to remove any parts you believe to be completely unconstructive while leaving the rest, I would not object to your refactoring it. user:J aka justen (talk) 17:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Closing AfD List of honorific titles in popular music

You're right, that was a difficult AfD to close, but I think you called it correctly. Thanks for putting an owlish eyeball on it. Binksternet (talk) 04:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Page marked for speedy deletion

Hey,

The page SoftDEL Systems has been marked as an advertisement page and put up for speedy deletion. Please guide me as how to remove it from this. The contributor has marked the page heading

.

Who will be removing the

from my page am i allowed to do it or the contributor only should do it? Please help me with this matter. I will make changes and try to get the article in neutral context.

--Peswriter (talk) 05:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)