Talk:Gjakova

On 1999

Do you want to say anything about the high level of destruction it suffered in 1999? As I recall the old town was almost completely destroyed.2toise 18:24, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I don't know much about it. Nikola 06:14, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I've added some material largely culled from OSCE, HRW and ICTY sources on events in Djakovica. -- ChrisO 02:14, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Revert conflict

Once again, Nikola, don't simply delete large pieces of content without bothering to discuss them. This time you haven't even bothered to include a summary explanation. -- ChrisO 01:31, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[added] If you have specific concerns, please discuss them here.

Archived from Requests for page protection:

• Djakovica - User:Nikola Smolenski is repeatedly deleting large chunks of material (approximately 75% of the article) without discussion or explanation, apparently for partisan reasons. Please rollback and protect until he decides to start using talk pages. -- ChrisO 01:36, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • I haven't even read what you have written. You could have posted it yesterday, you could have posted it tomorrow, but no, you HAD to do it today! And bad wiquette is better then no wiquette at all.
    On a sidenote, I do hope that articles whose protection was requested several DAYS ago will be protected before this one. Nikola 01:41, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • This apparently is a reference to yesterday's violence in Kosovo, which (as far as I know) had nothing to do with Djakovica and certainly had nothing to do with the article in question. It's pure nationalist paranoia to suggest a link. And I think your comment that "I haven't even read what you have written" before deleting it all underlines the fact that this is a deeply abusive piece of editing by you. -- ChrisO 01:48, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • No. It is deeply abusive piece of editing by you. I don't believe you that it is a coincidence, and even if it is, you could have waited. Why such a rush? Nikola 01:51, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • I've simply been reviewing articles on the towns in Kosovo, and noticed the comments in Talk:Djakovica about the events in Djakovica during the recent war. You had said (on 5 October 2003) that you didn't know much about it. I did have some memory of it, did some research and updated the article accordingly. Then I found out about the events of yesterday. So, no link.
          • Given your history, my most probable assumption is that you lie. Nikola
        • And even if there had been, why would this have been a problem? Should all editing on articles related to Kosovo cease if there's a day's unrest in the province? -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • Firstly, yes, such abusive editing should cease.
            Secondly, there is no there is no "day's unrest" but three days' genocide. Nikola 07:18, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Protected. Kingturtle 01:54, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • Thanks. -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Population figures

Note for future reference - Statistical Office for Kosovo (apparently a government organisation) has a useful population estimates chart at http://www.sok-kosovo.org/pdf/population/Kosovo_and_its_population.pdf . Figures differ considerably from those given by The World Gazetteer. It seems prudent to use a credible official source rather than TWG; current figures are all estimates anyway given the lack of a census. -- ChrisO 02:14, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

ChrisO, the Statistical Offica of Kosovo has been set up by UNMIK and is governed jointly by internationals (UN staff) and local Kosovar staff. SOK has the most up-to-date data on Kosovo, and are always checked by international institutions to ensure correctness before reports are released. Also, you may find some useful information on the official website of Municipality of Gjakova. --Kosovar 17:59, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On using Gjakova as name

<<St. Joanikije Google says is in Devic, Drenica - that is quite far away by Balkan standards. Try it. Gjakova was founded by Jak Vula in the 15 century. Acually the city for most of its history was called Jakova. The mosque library that held important documents regarding these events was burned by the Serbs in the first night of NATO attacks along with the Old Town. Taking all this in consideration and the the overwhelming Albanian composition of the population, shouldn't you call the city Gjakova instead of the Serb way. Just wondering :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianitd (talk • contribs) 06:42, 7 August 2004 (UTC)

--Don't you worry about anything. Once Kosova gains its formal* independence, all these confusing Serbian manipulated names will be changed to what they were originally. -- user —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.17.19 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Djakovica who?

What is the procedure for changing the article's title itself? The city's name does and never had any link to the Serb language and it's definitely NPOV. You can clearly see that the name, an Albanian one, was taken and suffix "ica" added to it in order for the city name to sound more Serb-like.

Can anyone help out there?

--arianit 01:31, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Of course, this is especially visible in names of Vucitrn (Vushtrri), Istok (Istog), Pec (Peja), Kamenica (Kamenice) or Suva Reka (Suhareke). Nikola 04:50, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What is visible, Nikola? That every city in Kosova has Serb origin because Kamenica and Suva Reka do? I think I explained what makes "Djakovica" different from other Serb toponyms: it's clearly a fabrication in later times from from the Albanian-Turkish name. I researched some more (http://gjakovainfo.com/historia/index1.htm if you know Albanian) and found out that Yal-ova (the version in Turkish) means the field of Jak. Still today Vula family is probably the biggest one in the city and any old person will tell you that it is the oldest. That Serbs came to Gjakova only in the 20th century shows the fact that there didn't exist any Orthodox church in or around Gjakova until the 20th century. --204.62.200.88 22:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and maybe Djakovo in Croatia (500km north-west from Kosovo and there's no and never been Albanians, almost exclusevly Croatian and Serbian population) is also got the name from the famous Vula family!? You must be joking. Try this one: the name is derived from name "Jakov", vassal of the duke Vuk Brankovic (http://www.sumadinac.de/manastiri/manastiri_dj.htm). Although you're right about Sebs presence in XX st., Metohija was vastly Serb-populated area in the Middle Ages. Ottoman census from 1485 says that in willage of Djakovica were 67 homes with one priest, all people with Serbian names, with exeption of two names that might be Albanian.

On writing the truth

Whoever created this website has no clue about what he is talking about. So you better close this webpage and dont write anymore false information, or if you dont then WE can do it, ok? Or another thing you can do is edit all the information that you put and write true information and all other statistics. ok. again by Fisnik Kurshumlija —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.251.116.207 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 11 August 2004 (UTC)

As you're evidently a new user, might I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Wikiquette?

Also, don't vandalise articles or you will find yourself being banned. -- ChrisO 08:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How did this latest outbreak of vandalism go unnoticed for 2 days? I think we need to keep a closer eye on this article... :-( -- ChrisO 19:27, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Djakovica in the Kosovo War

POV comment moved here for review.

"Most of the Albanian population returned following the end of the war, and most of the non-Albanian population fled or was forced to leave. Acts of revenge against Serbs and other non-Albanians occurred after the war's end, the most notable case being the destruction of the historic Monastery of St. Joanikije.the Monastery It was only built after the Serbs came there and also in Gjakove we all new it as the Serbian street not more so 4% sounds a lot if you talk before the refugees from Croatia and Bosnia came to Kosovo as to keep them happy for Serbs loosing all their wars. Also if serbs did not come from ukranian mountens we would not have these problems."

Details of the monastery's establishment and destruction may be appropriate for inclusion, and may provide a context for the latter comments, but the rest of the argument fails to develop any NPOV analysis Nigosh 21:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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I removed this from the article:

Đakovica has good resource for national development. Human resources are mainly the most important element for further development. Its most frequent mode of age is from 18 to 28. Youth is quit well educated, very good English speaker, and have high knowledge for Information and Technology. Đakovica has a picturesque setting. Its lack [Radoniqi] is one of the most beautiful places in Kosovo. Đakovica has very clear air because it is surrounded with hills and mountains.

Đakovica welcomes worldwide business for outsourcing since people are hospital, well prepared intellectually and government also is primed from infrastructural point of view.

Something could be written about recent investments in Djakovica, but this is not NPOV and not good English. Nikola 11:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Đakovica

Eksist not in Kosovo. You must learn at firt your language.--Hipi Zhdripi 17:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The Name

If sombody have UN acceptit evidence that the name of the city is not Gjakova but is Đakovica, then this articel must be unter the name: Gjakova and the page named "Đakovica" must be redirect. My evidence you kann see in UNMIK oficiale page and documentation.--Hipi Zhdripi 00:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

The territory is under temporary UN administration, as ruled in the Resolution 1244 (1999), adopted by the United Nations Security Council on 10 June 1999[1], where the UN reafirmed its commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and its sucessor state, the Union of Serbia and Montenegro, after the country changed its name). Therefore, it is not up to the UN to invent new geographical denominations. I also like to remind you that this is English language wikipedia, so please make sure your contributions are up to standard regarding syntax and spelling, together with the use of commonly recognised geographic denominations (i.e. (Kosovska) Mitrovica is common in English, Mitrovice is not). Regards, Asterion 12:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Djakovica? And moreover cyrillic? Come on. This is an abuse of the authority that some people here have. UNMIK uses both the terms Gjakova and Djakovica. Population of Gjakova is 97% Albanian and that population calls their town Gjakova. Djakovica is a 20th century invention of the Serb occupation. Serb population at its highest point was only 3%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianit (talk • contribs) 18:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are not named in accordance to UNMIK usage or the one of the local population, but in accordance to Wikipedia's naming conventions, which clearly states that "generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize." Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) further clarifies that "if you are talking about a [...] town, [...] use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works."

In this specific case, for a number of historical reasons the English language has adopted the Serbo-Croatian name of this town. Usage may change in the future, and the Albanian form Gjakova may replace Djakovica in English usage. When/if that happens, Wikipedia should reflect that change. But not before. - Best regards, Ev 07:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

1. http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

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1. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
2. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
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Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të 
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së 
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut 
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes 
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. 
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ 
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare 
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e 
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. 
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative 
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. 
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A<

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I --Hipi Zhdripi 20:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Gjakova city

We do not need two articles on same city, so I proposed merge of the Gjakova city to here since this article is much larger. Even if there is some contention about the proper naming of the city, WP:POV forks are not allowed. Shinhan 12:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Postal Code

Postal Code for Gjakove/Djakovica/Gjakova is 50000 according to this PDF. It also has postal code for the rest of Kosovo cities so feel free to use this source. Shinhan 09:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarian heritage

I don't want to enter the Albanian-Serb edit conflict, I just want to emphasize that this town and its area had its Bulgarian Christian heritage, too. Its pre-1999 history should be added. --Vladko 01:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Pre-1999 history

History before 1999 yer is unknown ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.166.251 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC) See diff.

Origin of the name

Mainly for Nikola Smolenski and Noah30: I really don't mind how the Serbian section is worded (belief, solid proof), as long as it is there, because it contains a source and so should not be removed. Because the Albanians also have two theories, I am saying that it is fair that it should all be on display: this is an encyclopaedia of course! :) Evlekis 18:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Name

I will pu the official name on brackets"()"--Bindicapriqi (talk) 15:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Distinguished people from Gjakova

Hi everybody, please do not put names of people that are not academics, heroes, great sportist... etc etc. For example:someone put the name of an electrician engineer and I deleted it.Lets try and keep the quality of this section very high.So please consider the qualifications criteria before putting someones name in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agimetepara (talk • contribs) 07:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

People, please dont put any names of Gjakova citizens who are not university doctors, famous writers, war martyrs or famous sportsman. Please dont put names of people who are just ordinary doctors, ordinary teachers or ordinary sportsman.Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agimetepara (talk • contribs) 00:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Serbian lang.

Is Djakovica for more then 40-years. DJ-222-333 the car tabel. And the name see #Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo this is for english lang. too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.189.255 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Wikipedia

Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Wikipedia, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Wikipedia is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Wikipedia for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.

The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.

1. You are working agains the Kosovo Law
2. You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
3. You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
4. You are working agains the UN - Law

The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hipi Zhdripi (talk • contribs) sing the IP 88.70.183.85 (talk · contribs) 00:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

name of the city

it isnt posible that the name of the city comes from serbian language because gjakova was founded in XVI century and in this time kosovo was under the otoman empire —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gedamara (talk • contribs) 21:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Serbs lived there long before XVI century, and Ottoman conquest. Greetings! Tadija (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Serbs are recent arrivals to the city. I fixed city name to reflect that used by by the majority population and Government of Kosovo, UN, OSCE, etc. Arianit (talk) 18:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page not moved. —harej (talk) (cool!) 04:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Đakovica → Gjakova —

98% of the population uses Gjakova. It is official name used by Government of Kosovo in English and majority population of Kosovo and Foreign Governments. UNMIK and OSCE use both terms Gjakova/Djakovica to seem impartial, with Gjakova always being used first. 'Gjakova' has a clear Albanian orgin, from Jak Vula, the founder, then Jakova, finally Gjakova. Djakovica is a slavization of the word adding to it Serbian ending -ica. There have beem some spurious alternative arguments citing Noel Malcolm (no such thing exists) or one recent Serbian work basing it in the Serbian word djak for student. However, Serbs are recent arrivals to the city and no evidence has been offered to suggest that Serbs were present at founding date in late 16th century. . Arianit (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

1) Gjakova was founded by an Albanian. Has been an Albanian town, built and established by Albanians.

2) To assume that the town was inhabited by Serbs and thus, need to be called Djakovica is ridiculous because Serbs have no reliable source or historical facts to prove such things. Tadija is making it up.

3) Arguing to keep Djakovica because there is a word in Serb language Djak which means student, is baselss because there is a word in ALbanian language Gjak - which means blood, it's one of the oldest words in the Albanian language, still another baseless, even though Albanian argument is stronger.

4)Gjakova was never known or famous for any learning place, but rather a town of trade, founded by Jak Vula, this is a documented evidence which retains its name up to this day.

5) The Albanians. The local population, making 98.9% call it Gjakova.

6) Accepting the argument that Serbs lived prior to XVI century, which facts do not exist is same as denying the argument with historical evidence of who lived in the past, who lives now - the Albanians, which clearly represents the Serbian POV. It's like calling red apples yellow, because someone wants to call them yellow, but today they are red, they've been red ever since they bloomed. Serb argument is like claiming that all apples once were yellow because they want to call them like that, so it needs to be yellow. Are all apples yellow? Should we call red apples yellow because Serb POV says so. It's a clear Serbian POV.

7) Rivers, valleys, alleys, hills, banks are all in Albanian in Gjakova.

8) Gjakova has been the capital of the region called Malesia e Gjakoves which lies mostly in Albania and southern Kosovo, the area around the town of Gjakova. Malesia e Gjakoves has one of the strongest Albanian highlander elements, where locals retained ancient traditions, old geg dialect of Albanian language, vendettas in accordance with Albanian code of honor of Lek Dukagjini, old folk traditions of Albanian medieval civilization since its foundation are found in the town of Gjakova - none of these facts Serbs have.

9)The ethno-cultural, socio-traditional, historical based elements of the Albanian populace and the name of the town called Gjakova are as old as its foundation. The name of Gjakova was widely accepted by the Balkans scholars including Serbs themselves until 80s when their Greater Serbia propaganda began to spread aggressively under Milosevic.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.16.211.23 (talk) 11:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:UE (Use English) and WP:UCN (Use Common Names), specifically as the defunct Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Kosovo-related articles) phrased it: "If there is no common English name, then the non-English name most commonly used in English-language sources [should be used]...In practice, this will mean that Serbian geographical names will take precedence..." See Category:Cities, towns and villages in Kosovo for similar cases. — AjaxSmack 22:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Picture from the 1999 war victims memorial

I added the picture of a memorial in the center of the city. It is a really important piece of information for Gjakova because it suffered more than most other big cities in Kosova/Kosovo. Hope you are all OK with it! If not, ca we please discuss this here. BTW the copyright is OK, i have the permission of the author. AnnaFabiano (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Title

Đakovica is the title of the article and must therefore appear as the opening word. Rather than entertaining an edit war over over this issue, why not propose moving the page to Gjakova. That is the major issue here as with all Kosovan settlements. Evlekis (talk) 16:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Đakovica → Gjakovë — I will cite WP:MOSKOS

• On the principle that self-identifying entities are named primarily according to the term that they use for themselves, and since anglicised equivalents do not exist for Kosovo placenames, local official placenames are to be used. In practice this means using Albanian names for Albanian-governed localities and Serbian names for Serbian-governed localities. In each case, articles must start with the predominant local placename followed by the equivalent name in the other language.
• 95% of Gjakovë's population is Albanian, and Pal Lekaj its mayor is Albanian. The guidelines are very clear and therefore the title of the article should be in Albanian as the majority of the population is Albanian, and it is an Albanian-governed locality. Kreshnik25 (talk) 12:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely! Agree There was a rule on Kosovo naming. But now is not valid anymore. A new rule should be strict and coherent. —Anna Comnena (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Also as I saw there was a disagreement in the previous request. Alexsmack said that:

• "If there is no common English name, then the non-English name most commonly used in English-language sources should be used In practice, this will mean that Serbian geographical names will take precedence".

AlexSmack was wrong. In google search there are 2,100,000 results for Gjakovë, and only 354,000 results for Đakovica and even less results for Dakovica(only 19,000).--Kreshnik25 (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely Agree , also WP:MOSKOS#Kosovo_municipalities grants it since there is no anglicised name for it. Thank you. kedadial 13:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely  Disagree, by those arguments:

• First, Kreshnik25 google search was false.

• Đakovica 1.240.000 - (+Đakovica -Gjakovë)
• Gjakovë 582.000 - (-Đakovica +Gjakovë)

• Second, per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Search_engine_issues, google hits are not a legitimate argument.

• Third, WP:MOSKOS is no longer relevant, as there are no more consensus on its purpose.

• Fourth, ALL OTHER Kosovo related names articles use current version as common English name, so there is no unclear English name.

• Fifth, and final, in ALL other articles Serbian geographical names take precedence, due to the unclear and disputed Kosovo status.

So, until some new and useful Manual of Style is made, it will be fatal to make any unneeded changes. So, in order to avoid conflicts, this change should not be accepted, by any costs.

Tadija (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I moved all your comments together, it looks like spamming otherwise. Tadija search the ENGLISH version of google, not the SERBIAN version google which (lol) you call it Googlle. You can do that by enabling it in preferences. Dakovica is not the English name, but the Serb name. There isn't an English name. All the other stuff about it being "fatal" are not worth commenting. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes "GoogLLE" ain't the standard version of English Google, but the Serb version. You search was wrong. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

It is not up to you to fix those kind of things. Google celebrate 11th birthday, so it is written as Googlle (Goog 11 l). It would be useful to now little bit more before writing here. Tadija (talk) 14:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

You still searched with SERBIAN preferences. And Dakovica is not the ENGLISH name. It is the Serbian name, there isn't an English name. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

No, i didn't. Tadija (talk) 14:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

And Đakovica is waay more English then Gjakovë. Tadija (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

That is your personal opinion and ain't an argument for anything. See WP:OR for that.

• I found in [2] Naming conventions that:
• If no name can be shown to be widely accepted in English, use the local name.
• The local name is Gjakovë. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:29, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Đakovica IS widely accepted in English, so you cannot use that exception here. I already shown you that. And don't delete discussion. That is unacceptable. Tadija (talk) 14:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Dakovica isn't the English name, there is no English name. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, it looks like it is. You can search by Googlle (lol)! That's the best way to find common name. The largest google hits number here is for Đakovica. So Đakovica is common name. But, as Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Search_engine_issues, google can be used just as a help, not as a guide. Pagliaccioknows (talk) 14:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

It is not Dakovica, it is Đakovica. I dont write Gjakova, i write Gjakovë. As i told you, Đakovica is undisputed name of the town. Until all of those towns are internationally recognized as independent towns of Kosovo republic, only regular name is this one. Đakovica. Tadija (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

"is undisputed name of the town". That is your personal opinion. It's official and LOCAL name is Gjakovë. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, only really internationally recognized name is still Đakovica. By majority of the world. En.wikipedia is not your local wiki, so that argument is not sufficient. Tadija (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Can't you read the naming conventions? The local name is Gjakovë, not Dakovica, no one uses Dakovica in the town. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and there is no strict rule yet on naming convention about Kosovo. So whatever you say is irrelevant for Wikipedia, unless you are proposing that. I think all editors interested in Kosovo, should discuss and standardize all the cities and towns with a consensus. —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Until consensus is react, moves of this kind are unneeded. Tadija (talk) 15:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Unneeded by whom? Most users until now agree for move. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I for one, am for the move until a consensus is reached. Although, Third opinion could be helpful on this issue.—Anna Comnena (talk) 15:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with the move. This discussion features many relatively new users who don't seem to really understand how wikipedia works. It doesn't matter whether the town's population or mayor are Albanian. That is not how wikipedia works. What matters is common usage in the English-speaking world. As far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority of English-speaking sources refer to the town as Djakovica, so that's what this article's name should be. Virtually none refer to it by its Albanian name. That may be largely due to historical reasons, but sorry, tough luck. So the requested move is based on emotion and national feeling, not wikipedia policy, and as such should be rejected. I also note that yet another proposed move was proposed and rejected in August. This is ridiculous. If it was rejected then, what makes some people think that it will pass now? --Athenean (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Athenian for being part of the discussion. Our view is that Đakovica is not right, maybe Djakovica would be less wrong, but not right per se. To clarify your view on references to Gjakova, I would agree that on percentage there are more references to Djakovica than Gjakova (Google Books: Gjakova 553 - 42%, Djakovica 787 results - 58%). On the other hand the name Djakova (a mixture of two) had 815 results. But on Google Search Gjakova had 1,330,000 results, Djakovica 356,000 results. So Gjakova seems to be more preferable by every standard. —Anna Comnena (talk) 20:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

And since we speak about the "English-speaking" world:

• BBC:[3]

[4] So NO, the move prposal is NOT based on emotion.

• Djakovica as a name was used during the war, after the war Albanian names are used internationallly.
• And most google search shows Gjakova not Djakovica so when somebody says "virtually nobody refers it to it as Gjakova", when 1,3 million results exist for Gjakova, it is a sign that he is lying and joined the discussion NOT as an unbiased observer but to support a certain thesis without ANY neutral intention. And YES we may be new, but compared to YOU, we are much MORE reliable, after all it isn't us who are restricted to 1 revert. So buddy, you are the one promoting nationalism here not us. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)