Talk:Kshatriya

Khatris

Indeed the Kshatriyas are the purest of Aryans. their colour like all Aryans ranges from light to brown.

The Kshatriyas have nothing in common with the Khatris, a merchant caste.

I would totally agree, The Punjabi Khatri a merchant caste has nothing to do with the Warriors the Kshatriyas. Even our Gotras, looks, structure and values are different. Shri Gaj Singh would never allow a member of his family to marry a Khatri. Besides a Khatri are a fine caste and only marry in Lallas (Khatris).They are rich and proud as well.

Khatris will marry anyone. A lot of Khatri women are married to Dalit, Muslim and Bania boys.(Example look at the case of Udit Raj).

Not to be confused with the Punjabi Khatri a merchantile caste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Note should be taken of the fact that the great caste of Khatri (the merchants) have nothing to do with the Kshatriya (warrior and kings).''''

Khatris are descended from Rajput women (Out castes) who married Sudra men. Punjabi Rajputs even as late as 1950s refused to have their food along with Khatris. Khatris does not have any Kshatriya lineage. The only true Kshatriyas in Punjab are Punjabi Rajputs. Even Jats do have some Kshatriya heritage. But Khatris have none.122.177.198.50 (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Jats are not Kshatriya by any definition. They don't have any martial tradition. 115.113.97.137 (talk) 03:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Lede

I think the Lede is too long in this article and there are not enough citations. Perhaps the 3rd paragraph beginning "The legend that the Kshatriyas..." could be put in a section titled "Legend"? Bigweeboy (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Very astute observation Big, I have created a History section to fix this problem. Thanks,--Kbob (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

REQUEST TO HAVE THE ARTICLE LOCKED

I would like to suggest we lock this article due to the face people are removing information from this page or adding information without providing any citations. this would inlude adding groups/castes considered to be Kshatriya. Lets clean this up in the next couple of days/weeks if people do not add citations. Thanks.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

In the coming week, I will start to remove groups/castes people have added that do not have any citations/references. Please add them if you would like to keep them posted. thanks

--KhatriNYC (talk) 15:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, as I stated before, I will be removing groups/clans that don't have references. This will begin tomorrow. Thanks.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The article mentions the following: "The earliest Vedic literature listed the Kshatriya (holders of kṣatra, or authority) as second in rank, after the Brahmins (priests and teachers of law), before the Vaisya (merchant-traders, farmers and some artisan castes)[1], and the Sudra (labourers, some farming castes and other artisan castes)".

The reference [1] quoted to support the statement is given as:

1. ^ http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=w9aZOmVeD0IC&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=ayogava+artisan&source=bl&ots=nCqRX4vQ1U&sig=VNTd275_5WVBCj8IYqan0gKnYhs&hl=en&ei=n7s-SrioCuSfjAfons0F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5

However, the reference [1] talks about anuloma and pratiloma. It does not mention ranks as first rank or second rank. It deals with sutas or ayogava. Kindly delete the reference and provide another citation reference.

--= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra

"Chhetri" in colloquial Nepali

I added this near the top of the article where linguistic derivation in Hindi and Sanskrit are discussed, but didn't know now to formalize it in devanagari etc. Some help here would be appreciated. Although "Kshatriya" is certainly understood by everyone who is literate, it's simplified to "Chhetri" in everyday speech.

Nuances of meaning should also be discussed in the Nepalese context. Khas peoples in far western Nepal often belong to the Thakuri sub-caste, notably the Shah family that unified the country and ruled it until recently. Nepalese Chhetris often originated in marriages between Brahman men and indigenous peoples such as (Kham) Magars, so it is more of a synthetic caste in Nepal than it might be in India.

Also some of Nepal's "martial tribes" claim Chhetri status on the basis of their long history of soldiering (a tradition that probably was well developed before the Shahs took advantage of it to unify the country, then the British exploited it by recruiting Gurkha mercenaries). Also the martial tribes had their own independent kingdoms before unification under the Shah. LADave (talk) 17:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

"Vanniyars" (Vanniyakula Kshatriya, Agnikula Kshatriya) are not real Kshatriyas

Vanniyars are not at all Kshatriyas, they're a low, backward class. They were confered the MBC (Most Backward Class) status in TamilNadu. How can they claim Kshatriya status without any historical proof. They are just vandalizing Kshatriya wikipedia page. Kshatriyas were Kings, Nobles/Landlords, Army chieftains... Vanniyar is a community which constitutes around 30 percent of the whole tamil population. It would mean that 30% of tamils have noble origins ??!!... What a nonsense!!... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.213.126 (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read history thoroughly my friend. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.72.70 (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Vanniyars are a labour caste = shudras. Vanniyars (which is not even a caste but a community of castes) constitute around 30 percent of the whole tamil population. It would mean that 30% of tamils have noble origins ??!!... this is joke!!... Noble caste doesn't account for than 5 to 10% of a (feudal) society, it is true everywhere in the world. Many of them converted to christianity (that's another sign of their low caste status). See these links:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDS_of_UP/message/1544

http://books.google.com/books?id=ppbkEJAEVCIC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=vanniyars+low+caste&source=bl&ots=_34TaHb8RK&sig=cSKxSvpc3HkgdToO7YjA1z4d-RM&hl=en&ei=VwsdS8DiGdrOjAf21PiKBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=vanniyars%20low%20caste&f=false

The everyday politics of labour: working lives in India's informal economy By Geert de Neve page 77.

Kshatriya wikipedia page must be protected to prevent vanniyars vandals to edit it.

Kshatriyas do not account for more than 5 to 10% of the whole indian population —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.96.182 (talk) 21:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

122.167.72.70, I know history of Bharat & Tamils much better than you. If you look at Tamil history very carefully, you will come to only one (scientific) conclusion: the 30% (or more) Vanniyars are a labour caste that is shudra... That's why most of Vanniyars still remain uneducated & received the MBC status, they're not able to succeed on their own like a normal high/forward caste. 90.46.96.182 (talk) 00:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

by the way 122.167.72.70, don't call me friend, i will never agree to be the friend of vandals, impostors. If you continue your vandalism, i will inform wiki admin of vanniyars vandal acts in different wikipedia pages like the one where you wrote pandya/chola/chera were vanniyars!!!...90.46.96.182 (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thevars / Mukkulathor

When it is written citation needed, it does not mean putting a link which sends you to another wikipedia page written without any proper citation, references!... It simply means adding serious references, like a book written by a scholar!!!...90.46.216.136 (talk) 18:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)