Talk:Mexico

External links

• Mexicanos en USA
• The Presidency of Mexico
• Official site of the Government of Mexico
• Chief of State and Cabinet Members
• Mexico Connect
• "Mexico". The World Factbook (2024 ed.). Central Intelligence Agency.
• Mexico from UCB Libraries GovPubs
• Mexico at Curlie
• Wikimedia Atlas of Mexico
• Mexico, an external wiki
• Template:Wikitravel
• Viva Natura: Biodiversity of Mexico

Mexican Population

according microsoft encarta 2009 the mexican population 2009 is 109.955.400, could you change please?

Image

Blue Demon, Jr. wrestles El Hijo Del Santo.

This image will look good in the sports section can someone pleas add it. (unsigned)

I would rather not add it, for the following reasons:

1. There are already 2 images in that section.
2. Football (Soccer) and Baseball are Mexico's most popular sports.
3. Could we even consider "Lucha Libre" a real sport, we all know it's fake however entertaining it might be. Supaman89 (talk) 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Lucha Libre is quite an iconic sport from Mexico. The two sports images in the article are relatively boring, but this one is quite entertaining. I say, delete the baseball stadium picture and add this Lucha Libre picture.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 01:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Independence Day

Independence day is incorrectly listed as September 15, 1810 in the country stats section on the right hand of the page. It should state September 16, 1810. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.90.245 (talk) 22:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Run-on sentences; sentence fragments

This article, and the History section in particular, are full of run-on sentences and sentence fragments. I corrected one of them, but correcting the rest might be a good project for others to take up. Jrsightes (talk) 08:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Error with Mexico City Population Volume

Can someone check that the information about current population for mexico city is correct?, I am quite sure they are living 22 million people not 19 million (this information is acording to the INEGI or national statistics and informatic institute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damianandrade (talk • contribs) 00:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of several images

• File:Field in central Mexico.jpg - A picture of buildings isn't appropriate for the climate section.
• File:Turbiny wiatrowe ubt.jpeg - Good info but those wind turbines aren't from Mexico.
• File:PS3&PS3slim.png - WikiAd for Sony and it has nothing to do with Mexican science or technology.

Supaman89 (talk) 03:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

<Add Mexico, with Switzerland and the Republic of Korea, form the Environmental Integrity Group (EIG), regarding UNFCCC

Add Mexico, with Switzerland and the Republic of Korea, form the Environmental Integrity Group (EIG). http://unfccc.int/parties_and_observers/parties/negotiating_groups/items/2714.php Switzerland signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1998 and ratified it in 2003, when did Mexico? The EIG is related to United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, currently the United Nations Climate Change Conference 2009 '"COP-15" in Copenhagen, Denmark, between December 7 and December 18, 2009. As for notability, this meeting has been called the most important meeting in history, for example ... for reference starting points, see Category:Climate crisis, Category:Global warming, Category:Climate change, Category:Stop Climate Chaos, Category:Global Campaign for Climate Action, Category:Action on climate change 99.155.157.151 (talk) 16:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.155.157.151 (talk) 16:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Communications

hi im living since always in mexico and yI will tell you that the biggest companies in telecomunications are :

1º telmex
2º unefon
3º Telefonica (movistar)

and right now other companies are getting on the business companies that began as cable companies as:

1º megacable (is more common than unefon) and is getting to be the first rival for telmex in mexico.
2ºtelecable (is being purchased by megacable little by little by sectors)
and more

well the point of this is to tell you that Axtel and Maxcom aren't players on comunication in mexico

Irrelevant Content and undue weight

The article has come to a point where we urgently need to fix it.

I see editors with hidden agendas adding content that is completely irrelevant to the article and that seems to me much more as fan talk than anything else. I lived in Mexico for many many years and I still have lots of contacts there. I closely follow the mexican press and I know:

• That 'Hydra Technologies' is not a major player in the aerospace/defense industry
• That 'Zonda Telecom' is not a major player in the communications/electronics industry whatsoever
• That this list will certainly grow as other editors with conflicts of interest continue to add content that is much more WP:self-promotion than anything else.

Mentioning CEMEX, TELEVISA or AEROMEXICO in the article seem perfectly normal to me as they are internationally recognized companies that play a major role in the country in their respective fields. But Zonda Telecom? Really? Do people looking for information about MEXICO really need to know that Hydra Technologies won a prize that no one ever heard of?

To the editors that seem to have an special interest in having mentions to the above mentioned companies in THIS ARTICLE:

please explain why and how are these mentions worth including in an article that is supposed to be about A COUNTRY.

I'm once again removing this irrelevant content from the article the time being.

Before reverting this edit or replying, please read wikipedia's policies about undue weight thanks.Cerealito (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

This Content is not irrelevant and just because something doesn't interest you or you haven't heard of it dose not give you the right to eliminate other peoples right to know this in information. Hydra technologies is relevant because Mexico is trying very hard to become to become a major aerospace power and Hydra represents the first internationally recognized aerospace innovator of Mexico. Zonda telecom is actually fairly well known even as far away as Russia and Europe so i don't get why this can't be mentioned since Mexico is a country which is becoming ever increasingly known for it's telecommunications sector. Lanix is a world contributor to the electronics industry so it seems very weird that you say it should not be featured in the scienc and technology section. I've read the undue weight section and talked it over with another editor and the undue weight doesn't apply to this. Also, corporations play a huge part in modern Mexico so they will have to be mentioned so there is no reason to revert things just because they involve private companies. Just because a private company is mentioned and positive things are said about it, it doesn't mean that it's a wikiad Rahlgd (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the content is not irrelevant `just because something doesn't interest me`. As matter of fact I do work in the aerospace industry. I'm deeply interested on UAVs. And that does not make Hydra technologies more or less worth mentioning in this article. Don't be ridiculous, I'm not taking anyone's right to know anything. They still have their right to know whatever they want, they just have to look it up in the appropriate sources, NOT HERE. The greatest example is the paragraph about the `Leonardo Da Vinci` prize. I'm not claiming it's not true I'm just saying it does not belong here.

`Mexico is trying very hard to become to become a major aerospace power` (sic). First of all, Mexico is not a person. Mexico can not be 'trying very hard' to do anything. If there are official policies to make the aerospace industry grow, that's cool. THAT might be of general interest in the article, maybe in the industry section. For now I just see a minor, not-well-known company taking two out of the seven paragraphs of a section that is supposed to be about the GENERAL state of science and technology in a country. How you ruled out undue weight there is completely beyond me.

`Zonda telecom is actually fairly well known even as far away as Russia and Europe.` Citation needed, please. I'm writing from a western European country right now. Never did I hear of Zonda Telecom until I came across with its mention in this article. We can keep the mention to Lanix if you want, at least I remember considering buying one of their computers.

As for your statements defending mentions of corporations in the article, I don't understand why you wrote them. I never had a problem with those, as I stated from the very beginning. Cerealito (talk) 11:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In order to achieve concensus in the Industry/communications section, I'm removing the image of Zonda Telecom but leaving the text mention. I've requested citations though; the information given is very dubious. Cerealito (talk) 13:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The glowing mention of Zonda, Hydra Technologies, and Lanix certainly fall under undue weight. This is not because I'd never heard of them (I hadn't, except for Lanix, neither in Mexico nor in Canada, where I live now), but because they are not representative of Mexico. Think the disaster the Mexico page would be if every moderately large company that won some award, or that exports to Latin America, or that does business with Europe or Russia, was featured on the page. JorgeAranda (talk) 13:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Fellow wikipedian Rahlgd: I deeply regret that you keep adding content to the article that is not relevant to it. We have a serious discussion going on here and you just reverted changes without any further explanation. Reverting changes without any explanation is against wikipedia's spirit, so please take the time to explain your reverts in the future. Let me assure you once again that I don't have any kind of problem with private companies. Please stop insinuating that, it is simply not true. There are many mentions to them in the article and I have never attempted to delete them, I'm fine with them and I will try to add more if they make a better article.

The point here is: the mentions to Zonda Telecom and to Hydra technologies are completely out of scope. I've given you my reasons and replied to your arguments. Fellow wikipedian JorgeAranda gave you more reasons. Looking for a consensus I edited the article removing the images but leaving the text mentions and asking for further references. You responded with a revert and silence...

could you please at least read the concerned sections as they are? I'm waiting for your reasons and arguments, don't you think that we could get to an agreement? Cerealito (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I honestly do think that it is completely appropriate to have at least Zonda telecom mentioned in the communications section because they have contributed a lot to the Mexican telecom industry and have made large strides to advance mobile technology in Mexico and as far as not being recognized internationally i don't see why Zonda would not be considered multi-national considering the six meter high zonda mptrez billboards in Moscow. I do understand the your issue with Hydra however and i will not attempt to over state them in the science and technology section but i do think that we can have the Zonda phone in the communications article because even using the logic that Zonda is not big outside of Mexico (which is not entirely true) it is still a major company in Mexico and the article is about Mexico and that section is about the communications of Mexico. To not include zonda in the communications article would be like talking about the automotive industry of Japan and not mentioning Toyota or Honda. Rahlgd (talk) 21:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Rahlgd, thanks for replying. I see that you didn't completely reverted my changes. As a gesture of good faith I will do my best to get to an agreement here before I commit any changes to the concerned sections.

`I do understand the your issue with Hydra however and i will not attempt to over state them in the science and technology section` - OK now, I guess we just agreed on one point. Hydra technologies has text mention on the industry section. I guess that's already enough for a company that does not represent Mexico at all. Can we just leave the s&t section without any further mention to Hydra technologies? Moving on to Zonda Telecom...

`Zonda telecom (...) they have contributed a lot to the Mexican telecom industry and have made large strides to advance mobile technology in Mexico` - According to whom? please point me to at least 3 reliable sources stating this, otherwise this is just original research or your very personal point of view; In this latter case there is no reason to mention Zonda Telecom in the article.

`i don't see why Zonda would not be considered multi-national considering the six meter high zonda mptrez billboards in Moscow.` - Where are you getting this information from? This is the kind of statements that make me think of a Conflict of interest going on. How did you get this specific information? Anyways, I won't even ask you for further references on this. Even if Zonda Telecom is considered 'multi-national' they do not represent Mexico at all and an image of their products has no place in this article. If their billboards were double the size and they had them in London as well, that wouldn't change a thing: Zonda Telecom is not relevant here. You can add that to the Start-up Companies based in Mexico article if you want, but not here.

Finally, I do not think it is legitimate to just erase tags. I did add them because some statements seem dubious to me, and I ask for reliable sources. Content that is not verifiable is subject to be deleted in a reasonable amount of time. Cerealito (talk) 22:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Fellow wikipedian Rahlgd: You keep removing tags instead of adding sources. I couldn't find any reliable sources stating the information you insit to add to the article and that I find very very doubtful. I'm kindly but firmly requesting you to assume your burden of proof.

I'm also removing this statement: `Many Lanix products and other Mexican electronic products are marketed in the United States and Europe by Phillips, Sony and other companies under royalty agreements.` That was 'supported' upon this citation: http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/mexico/403485-1.html. As any editor will be able to see, that webpage has nothing to do with the Lanix corporation.

Cerealito (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Well i don't know how else to prove to you that Zonda is major representative of the Mexican telecom industry. That's like asking someone for proof that Samsung is a major representative of the South Korean electronics industry. It's just common knowledge. And yes there are Zonda billboards in Moscow right outside of Domodedovo airport and in downtown which i have seen so i'm pretty sure Zonda is known in other countries. I don't know why your so transfixed on getting rid of Zonda Telecom. Why would you even try to delete it's main article? If anyone has a conflict of interests it looks more like you just have some problem with Zonda. Zonda is representative of the Mexican communications industry for the following reasons:

1.It's Mexicos first indigenous mobile phone designer and manufacturer
2.It's products are used by large companies such as Telcel and America Movil
3.It is a Mexican company that other foreigners may know about
4.It has a large revenue and is a major corporation in the cell phone industry in Mexico and is known in other countries
5.It has integrated very advanced technologies and has been the first Mexican company to implement these
6.It employs over 19,000 people!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahlgd (talk • contribs) 17:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Although I can see that some Mexicans may be proud of this list, none of its items are compelling reasons to devote a fragment of a page on Mexico to Zonda. A firm need not be mentioned in a country's page because it designs and manufactures mobile phones indigenously, nor because some other companies use their products, nor because foreigners may know about it, nor because it has a large revenue, nor because it features 'very advanced technologies', nor because it employs lots of people. Again, if criteria like these were to be used to accept mentions of firms in Mexico's page it would soon become a long and uninformative business directory.

Unfortunately, I have to say that I, too, sense a conflict of interest. I find it strange (but not impossible!) that a neutral Wikipedian would spend so much effort squeezing in a mention to this particular telecom. Perhaps you have nothing to do with Zonda and it simply makes you proud, and I sympathize with that, but I wish you could also see that, from a neutral perspective, a firm like that has very little to do in an article about a country. JorgeAranda (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Rahlgd: please review these very important wikipedia's policies Wikipedia:Verifiability. and Wikipedia:ADS#Be_careful_when_giving_examples. In a nutshell:

`The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.` (emphasis mine). None of your claims have been sourced. Common knowlege does not apply here: I've been around for a while...

`Examples in articles tend to attract spam. Sentences such as, "For example, Chevron Corporation has ..." tend to attract editors to add more examples. Examples should be sourced with independent, reliable sources. Such examples should also be highly relevant to the article topic.` (emphasis mine). Even if you provided sources to the information you state, HOW relevant is it to THIS article?

`Review your intentions. Wikipedia is not a space for personal promotion or the promotion of products, services, Web sites, fandoms, ideologies, or other memes. If you're here to tell readers how great something is, or to get exposure for an idea or product that nobody's heard of yet, you're in the wrong place. ` (emphasis mine). You say that I have a problem with Zonda Telecom. Well not directly with it, but with their fans adding carefully masked promotion to wikipedia.

I'm sorry but I still don't see WHY should an article about Mexico have a big picture and a glowing mention of Zonda Telecom. In the best interest of Wikipedia and the present article, the disputed content should be deleted. It would be a real shame to take this discussion to the COI noticeboard Cerealito (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

In the absence of reliable sources, the poor relevance of the disputed content to the article and the lack of response from the interested editors, I'm once again deleting this information in spite of the lack of consensus. Cerealito (talk) 09:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Mexican Armed Forces

• The Mexican Armed Forces section, as many would know, suffers constant vandalism by fanatics who love to attribute all sorts of weapons and equipment that doesn't belong there. In this section I saw that it stated that Mexico was operating the Su-27 Flanker and it gave two outdated sources which only elaborated on the fact the the Mexican Secretariat of the Navy (SEMAR) was contemplating the purchase of the Su-27, but these articles never actually said that the purchase had been fulfilled. I know for a fact that the contract to aquire the Su-27 by the Mexican Navy never came to pass because the SEMAR (SECRETARÍA DE MARINA) stated in their website that the offer to purchase the Su-27s was declined as you can all see for yourselves here: [1] Ocelotl10293 (talk) 01:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Climate in Mexico

The information about Mexico's climate is poor because is missing much of the information of the northern desert climate and the extreme temperatures of 45 °C of more in the desert. {{editsemiprotected}}--Mario 181193 (talk) 04:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)Mario 181193

Please explain exactly what changes you want made, and provide a reliable source supporting it. AJCham 04:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that this section should include the geography of the desert in Northen Mexico like in Sonora, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and small portions of Tamaulipas. It should include the extreme temperatures of 50 °C and upwards in the Sonoran Desert in Baja California and Sonora and the extreme temperatures of the major city Monterrey of 40°C adn upwards in summer time and that northern mexico is located at the same latitude of the deserts in northern africa and Saudi Arabia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mario 181193 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Editsemiprotected

On the right section where it shows Mexico's declaration of Independence as sept 15 1810 that is incorrect the real date for Mexico's declaration of Independence is Sept 16 1810 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlochacon (talk • contribs) 07:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

mexico

many of our modern foods now come from mexico do to all the imigrents takeing there culter with them, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thereal21 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

with population of 111 million, it is the 11th most populous country. Two amazeing to beleeve--all these 1s in a only place. is it be true? 70.153.208.164 (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Too many images?

This article has multiple issues, the most visible, perhaps, is the unnecessary amount of images. I've removed some myself (size has been reduced by nearly 8 KB), but I think it'd be better if there were a clear consensus concerning which images should be removed. Kraft. (talk) 03:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. I have been deleting unecessary images for months! Sadly user Rahgld is to blame. He sometimes adds images that have nothing to do with Mexico, such as the one of Burbj Kalifah (world's tallest tower) or one about Voladores de Papantla is the sports section (C'mon!). Some very short sub-articles such as culture or tourism, have been stuffed with 2 or even 3 pictures in the past, something that is just too much. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 07:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

H1N1

In the section on Health and Education, I wanted to add http://content.glin.gov/summary/218560 so researchers can see the gamut of legal measures taken as a response to the H1N1 virus.

Reverting Rahlgd's edits

I felt I had to revert the recent edits by user Rahlgd for the following reasons: First and most upsetting, Rahlgd vandalized some numbers, such as the estimate of population in prehispanic times. Second, he continues to add pictures to an article that has already been discussed, several times in the past, as having too many of them. Third, several of the pictures suggest personal bias or conflict of interest issues. Fourth, some of the edits consist of dozens of small changes, few of them objectionable on their own, but together they add up to present the subject matter on a very different tone than what had been agreed by the community before --this is notable in the Industry and Military sections. I am sorry to revert other people's edits along with this. JorgeAranda (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The numbers in the pre-hispanic times were sourced from national geographic. Also while you mean good faith in your revert you also reverted other peoples work and shouldn't have just reverted everything. If you want to get rid of some images, we should go over them instead of just reverting the whole thing. Also i am confused on how any of the images are a conflict of interest. I am going to revert the most recent edit and from there we can then decide what we should change. Rahlgd (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm with you Jorge. Rahlgd has been adding some dubbious information here and there, and while I personally am not against adding industry examples of success (such as Zonda), I am of adding too much pictures that are not representative of Mexico, such as the Burbj Kalifah or Aztec dancers. Rahlgd, I understand you want to portray better the image of Mexico to the world, but sometimes your edits are very childish, they lack of verifiable sources and sadly, other user might consider them objectionable due to the fact that it seems boosterism. The discussion about too many images has been long in the past... with you. You seem not to understand that a good article doesn't require that many pictures. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 22:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah okay that sounds reasonable. Okay then, i'll not add information that might sound dubious without sourcing then. Sorry if i added thing that could be portrayed in a personally advancing manner, i realize what you mean now. I must disagree on the statement that Aztec dancers don't relate to Mexico. I'm not at all advocating the removal of of the other image in the culture section but i think that there can be both without the article having too many images. Rahlgd (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

No one (at least NOT me) has ever said that Aztec dancers "don't relate to Mexico". Current Mexican culture is far better represented by folkloric dances. Every single Mexican state have one typical dance. No state is represented by an Aztec dance I can assure you. And nationally, Jalisco dances have always represented the country and certainly Jarabe Tapatío is one of the most known Mexican folkloric dances in the world.

Also, there is the issue of too many pictures. A subsection with only one paragraph does not need two pictures. I have erase and will continue to erase the Aztec dancer picture. It simply does not belong to a subsection of culture.AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 06:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Prehispanic culture is definitely an important element of Mexican culture. But Prehispanic culture is already represented throughout the article, and this "Aztec Dancer" picture is of dubious representativeness. I traced it back to its source in flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dawn_perry/1120985813/), where I found that the picture shows "Aztec dancers demonstrate for the "Queen" at "tea time" at the Bristol Renaissance Faire in Bristol, WI." It is a bizarre picture, actually, and a caricature, and I do not think it is representative of Mexico at all.