Talk:Ethiopian Airlines Flight 409

Time of disappearance

The BBC is reporting the flight dissapeared after 5 minutes while Reuters is saying it dissapeared after 45 minutes. CNN just reported it dissapeared after 30 minutes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Manufrk (talk • contribs) 03:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

AFP quotes an anon airport official with "Ethiopian Airline Flight 409 crashed about five minutes after takeoff at 2:30 am (1230 GMT) with 83 passengers and nine crew members". Ref [1]; can't figure out a direct link to the story. -M.Nelson (talk) 04:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

i live in Naameh, where the plane has crashed. the airport is about 10 min by car. if the plane has crashed 45 min after take off, it would be impossible to crash in the sea facing Naameh, it would crash in Cyprus or Syria. it seems to me much more logical that the crash occured about 5 min after takeoff.Moreever, we smelled Kerozene about 2.45 AM local time, and the plane is scheduled for departure around 2.37 AM. The crash occured in my oppinion no more than 5 min after take off

Aircraft type

The reference cited doesn't list the type of 737; flightglobal.com suggests a 737-800. I have to run and don't have time to check... -- Flyguy649 ^talk 05:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Once we know the aircraft's registration the rest will fall into place. Mjroots (talk) 06:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft regestration G-CEJP. Picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/40168621@N07/4173097014/ if you want to embed. Guyag (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately an "All rights reserved" picture... Slasher-fun (talk) 10:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ligitimately linked in "external links" Mjroots (talk) 12:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Just removed it as it is not ET-ANB! MilborneOne (talk) 12:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, the ET-AMZ confusion caused by the airline! Added a photo of ET-ANB now. Mjroots (talk) 13:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

7 injuries, 0 survivors

This is a result of the conflicting reports in the media on whether there are seven survivors (according to local media) or no survivors (according to airline officials)? Regardless of who is right I think it would be good to be, at least, consistent... Andreas Willow (talk) 12:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Best to keep injuries/survivors off for now. Only count confirmed deaths unless/until it is stated that there are no survivors. Mjroots (talk) 12:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I came in here to ask that very question. As of now, the text of the article includes the statement, "Twenty-one fatalities have been confirmed, although officials said it was unlikely anyone on the plane survived." But the info box says "Fatalities: 21 (confirmed)". In light of the previous sentence, shouldn't the info box say something that indicates that, though only 21 fatalities have been confirmed, 90 are suspected? I am not wise in the ways of journalism nor Wikipedia, but it seems that we're dancing around the fact that a betting man, asked to guess the final casualty count, would say "90". TypoBoy (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a better way of saying things is (21 confirmed) ? (So we include the parentheses to indicate that it is not expected to be final.) The text should made clear that the death toll may rise. Andreas Willow (talk) 15:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

water deptht

there is no reference for the water depth at the estimated site of the crash, i looked for an online seachart or something like that, but can't find one, maybe someone who knows how can have a look, i would think it is probably 60-70 mtr , but could be up to perhaps 240.24.132.171.225 (talk) 13:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Death toll

Right now, the article says there's 21 confirmed death's, and this, which is a reference in the article right now, backs that up, but this says 24 bodies have been recovered. Which one should we go by, since they're conflicting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by C628 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Not to be annoying or anything, but the New York Times and CNN say 23 bodies. If no one responds for a few minutes, I'm going to go ahead and change it to 23, given two sources agree for that. C628 (talk) 14:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No survivors

Reuters ((video report), Beirut are saying no survivors. Can we take this as the final word. It's been 18 hrs since the crash and we would have expected news of survivors by now. Mjroots (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Aviation Safety Network also saying no survivors. Mjroots (talk) 07:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Official Passengers/Crew Numbers

I've noticed in the "Accident" section there were: have had 83 passengers and seven crew members. While in the table of "Passengers and Crew" some of the statistics are different. On ninemsn.com.au it stated 83 passengers while on nytimes.com it stated 85 passengers. It can be confusing. Adamdaley (talk) 22:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The official release by Ethiopian Airlines says 82 pax and 8 crew. There is often confusion in these matters to start with. Mjroots (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)