Talk:Derek Jeter

Mr. November

POSADA TOOK OUT IN HOME AT JEREMY GIAMBI NOT JASON GIAMBI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.67.196.68 (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Jeter tagged out at the plate not jason giambi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.200.89 (talk) 11:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC) jeter did not tag out anyone he backed up a bad cutoff throw and flipped the ball to jorge posada at the plate who then tagged jeremy giambi who failed to slide into home plate.

Uh, is it just me, or is it obvious that the tag was missed? Whether he slid or not, he was safe. I think that should be in the article--"From no angle in the replay did it appear that the call was correct. Despite this glaring error, the play went down in history as one of the greatest ever." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.228.20 (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The tag was made, you can't insert something like that without a source, and though I'm sure a blogger or two has posted this, the mainstream press does not share your sentiment. --Muboshgu (talk) 06:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

In the section entitled "1999–2002," following the explanation of his (brief) nickname "Mr. November," Jeter is incorrectly identified as only the third athlete in New York City history to receive such a moniker. In fact, Dave Winfield was disparagingly annointed "Mr. May," by no less an authority as George Steinbrenner, following the former's poor performance in the 1981 postseason. So, technically, that makes Jeter no. 4.... Frankly this sort of tally should be left out of wikipedia, since him ....we can't be certain that the author of the claim has done the research necessary to support it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.165.188 (talk) 11:14, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

That's sensible. I took that part out. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

A couple of things

I think it's obvious that this page is overly long, and I'm trying to condense it.

There was an unnecessary paragraph about the Yankee players taking exception to his 2003 injury with Ken Huckaby, and about Huckaby and Jeter's run-in later on. I remember the play and the follow-up quite well. Put simply, the article makes it seem a bigger incident than it was, and the inclusion of a section about Yankee player reaction (with no proper context, or opposing player's remarks) tends to paint a biased picture that the play was dirty or noteworthy for being unnecessary. The catcher made a play to block Jeter off the bag, and he fell on the guy. There was nothing at the time about the play being particularly dirty in any legitimate media source, so giving a hint that it was is unfair...and in the framework of Jeter's long career, we don't need half of a subsection devoted to discussion how his teammates felt.

Also, some of these statistics are getting out of hand:

In 2006 Jeter led the major leagues in highest groundball/flyball ratio (3.23; 313/97) and batting average on balls in play (.394),[15] and tied for the American League lead in steals of third base (12).

First of all, we need context. Second of all, these stats are obscure and not necessarily reflective of him being an exceptional player. His career is not defined by them at all. Why not tell me he's the all-time leader in hits by men with 5-letter last names that begin with J, who were born in New Jersey, also? Statistically speaking, a player's batting average on balls in play (BABIP) is completely non-reflective of his abilities. Someone like Neifi Perez could very easily lead that category in a given season, and it would mean nothing. I imagine the person who posted this probably knew that. It has an extremely minor correlation to a player's ability, but in general some of the better players in the game (pitchers and hitters) can have poor BABIP in a given season based entirely on luck. It has no purpose. And telling me that Jeter was tied for most steals of third in a season? C'mon guys. This page needs much better context and foresight on the part of its editors. It needs responsible editing...not reckless, haphazard, non-contextualized stuff like this. In the scheme of the man's career, there needs to be some REAL condensing of this page. And if you're going to mention something, it needs to be put in proper framework.

Third, do we really need a table with his year-to-year salaries over the course of his career? The exact same table is provided at one of the links at the bottom of the page (baseball-reference), and it takes up an absurd amount of room which detracts from the flow of the page. It's not particularly pertinent to anything, and is hardly the standard amongst MLB player pages on Wikipedia.

Last thing: I'm no expert with this, but could someone please shrink the statbox toward the bottom? It's really tall and rather distracting...needs to be compressed more like the stat sheets on other pages? Maybe the font is too big? Not sure.

I would advise those of you editing this page who are not familiar with the Wikipedia baseball project to take a look at it, or at least look at other (current or otherwise) player pages to get an idea of what information generally fits into these pages. Thanks.President David Palmer (talk) 10:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with a lot of this. I shortened the bit on the 2003 injury. I took out the earnings and the stats table, which are not necessary for wikipedia and readers can learn about from external links. I want to get this article up to FA status, and I'll work on it some more. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Gold Gloves error

In the section about "Defensive criticisms," the paragraph incorrectly states that Jeter has won 2 Gold Glove awards when, in fact, he has won 3. - Jonohull (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

He is a tax cheat

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3231419

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311830,00.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/16/2007-11-16_taxman_derek_jeter_cheated_new_york_out_-1.html

He stole millions from the government; why on earth is this not mentioned? 72.47.38.205 (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

If you want to put it in, put it in. Or I (or someone else) will get to it at some point. But saying things like "tax cheat" and "stole millions from the government" violate WP:NPOV. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done It's now in the "Personal life" section. --Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Tony Fernandez

How come there's no mention of Tony Fernandez in this article? If Fernadez didn't get hurt Jeter wouldn't have been the opening day shortstop in 1996. --JohnnyDrama233 (talk) 22:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

First, I don't know that's the case, and it would have to be verifiable to be included. Jeter was an early first round choice for the Yankees, so he clearly didn't "luck" into the job. He did very well in Triple A in 1995. Second, if it were the case, it's merely coincidental and not encyclopedic. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I found a source from December 2005 saying that Torre was going with Jeter as his opening day starter, and Fernandez would play a utility role. That's now in the article. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Update Jeter's postseason average.

It states as of 2006. His post-season average is now .309. This is as of his last post-season appearance in 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kungfudanyo (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done You were right, those stats were out of date. --Muboshgu (talk) 01:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

In this context, I have reverted an undo of my using "good postseason performer" instead of "exceptional". Jeter's postseason record is good, arguably very good, and on a par with his career stats. But is is not "exceptional", unless someone can show that no one else has equalled his performances. Bear in mind, too, that many of the postseason records he holds are down to his longevity and years of consistency. And the use of "exceptional" arguably contravenes Wiki policy in a number of areas. Regards, bigpad (talk) 13:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have reworded part of this section to keep it in line with the article's introduction, which cites his "reliable" postseason performances. If anyone disagrees with what's in the intro., please revise both areas and add a citation that his Oct-Nov. record is "exceptional". We can't have the text contradicting itself. bigpad (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm good with the changes. --Muboshgu (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

World Series Dates

Missing 1996.

Pardon? --Muboshgu (talk) 12:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

False information prohibited

False information should not be in the article if we know it is false. If we didn't know it, then it is an honest mistake.

Derek's parents met in West Germany. They were not East German defectors. That was the commonly used name. Back in those days, it was East Germany and West Germany. However, some stupid reporters, probably young folks, have written just "Germany" because the East/West cold war was 20+ years old, when those reporters were in diapers.

So we should make sure that we don't report wrong.

Another example would be if a report by USA Today made a mistake and said Jeter hit 815 home runs. We cannot then write "Jeter has hit 815 home runs. (source: USA Today, October 2, 2009, p. 1)."

If you are oppose to accuracy and insist that inaccurate and wrong facts be allowed as long as there is a source, then vote below. PresChicago (talk) 03:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The sources say "Germany", so we stick with "Germany". Adding "West Germany" with the qualifier that it is now Germany unnecessarily clutters an article currently in Featured Article candidacy. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I did not know it was a Featured Article candidate. If so, accuracy shows that it is not sloppy. If the parenthesis is objected to, then the name used at the time should be used by itself. That's ok with me. PresChicago (talk) 03:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Original research is what is objected to. It is not wrong to say "Germany" per the sources- it is how the country was frequently referred to unless a specific political point was being made. For example, the article on Elvis Presley accurately reflects what the sources (and everybody who talked about it at the time) said: he served in Germany. Your parenthetical commentary is OR. No one is opposed to accuracy - but note that Wikipedia's standard is verifiability, not accuracy. Muboshgu is right - and you aren't getting the point. Tvoz/talk 05:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I may have encouraged his getting sidetracked by mentioning the FAC. Verifiability and the absence of OR are important for all articles, not just those being considered for promotion. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

examples of the correct way found in wikipedia

Tymoshenko is the daughter of Ludmila Nikolaevna Telegina and Vladimir Abramovich Grigean (her father left the family when Yulia was three years old). She was born in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukrainian SSR (now Ukraine). —Preceding unsigned comment added by PresChicago (talk • contribs) 03:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

He joined the then-Anaheim Angels in 2001 as a free agent, but played only a handful of games before establishing himself during the 2002 season as the Angels backup catcher for his brother, Bengie. (Wikipedia article of Jose Molina, great Yankee's catcher) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PresChicago (talk • contribs) 03:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

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That has to be the longest list of related boxes ive ever seen :O ResMar 16:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

If Derek Jeter didn't have so many accomplishments, he wouldn't have so many navboxes. --Muboshgu (talk) 13:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Lucille ( nee Jeter) Hendrix. Jimi's Mother's name / Dr. Sanderson Charles Jeter. Derek's Father's name

Probably coincidence only if not entirely far fetched. Just like Derek's middle name being Sanderson for his Father not Derek Sanderson. It begs the Question of whether Hendrix Mom And Jeter's Dad have any relation what so ever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.211.134 (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure that's a coincidence. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

He's getting married!!!!!!!!!!!!

Supposedly he's getting married to Minka Kelly. She's a beautiful girl congrats to Jetes. Add it. Here's a source. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/report-derek-jeter-to-get-married-to-minka-kelly-011010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DA Fernandez (talk • contribs) 20:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The reporting on this is flimsy even for the New York Post, and all the wire reports are merely citing the Post's story. It actually makes more sense for this to be a wedding for Jeter's sister because she is engaged to someone and because weddings are often listed under the bride's name. Fishyfred (talk) 16:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I know the Post is an iffy source, but I hadn't thought about it being Jeter's sister. I was leaning towards letting it stay in the article with an emphasis on the fact that it's unconfirmed, but you're right in that it shouldn't be included. --Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistency in his Awards Chart

There is a minor error in the chart that lists Derek Jeter's awards. Under Silver Sluggers, Jeter is listed as having won 3; yet, there are four years listed directly to the right of this. In order to complete the update, the chart should say that he has won 4 Silver Sluggers. Gmanzi (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)gmanzi

Other Notable Awards

Derek Jeter has won the Joe Dimaggio "Toast of the Town" Award in 1999 and 2009, respectively. This award is on par with the Babe Ruth Award, which is already listed, insofar as both the Joe Dimaggio Award and Babe Ruth Award are presented annually by the New York chapter of the BBWAA. For confirmation that Jeter was the 1999 award recipient, see http://www.new-york-yankees-baseball.com/new-york-yankees-derek-jeter.htm For confirmation that Jeter was the 2009 award recipient, see http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/award_touches_rod_MwWghGY6cMA5i68eE43dwJ Gmanzi (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)gmanzi