User talk:Pm master

Welcome

Hello Pm master! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Kuru talk 16:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Fair use • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Build consensus • Resolving disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Useful templates • Categories • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Tools • User scripts

External links in articles

Many thanks for your work on cleanup! There are a LOT of unnecessary External links' listed in articles, aren't there? Some are strictly spam, but sometimes editors inadvertantly list online references as External links, or they think that it's useful to create a mini-Google list in the article. While you're working on removing External links, consider moving all External links to the article's talk page. A couple of truly useful External links can always be added once the article is fully referenced. Here are some wikilinks you might use to explain why you removed External links from an article:

• WP:EL
• WP:NOT, especially WP:NOT#LINK (this also applies to long lists of internal links)
• WP:FOOT for how to use reference tags and a reference list to link article text to its source for verification

Your username is new, but you seem familiar with Wikipedia, so your help is especially appreciated! Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam is doing all they can to keep articles clean, but they can't do it alone. Welcome! --SueHay 18:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Sue!Pm master 00:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You removed the UK Team Building Association link from the page about team building. This link had been there for more than a year and the association is a not for profit organisation. You claimed it was commercial. Please can you explain?

Hi! I'm assuming you're talking about the following: www.teambuilding. I checked this website and I agree with you, the link is not 100% commercial (though you're hinting somewhere you're gonna charge for membership beyond the first year). However, the problem is that I was not able to see this link other than just a promotion to this site. This website has virtually no content of its own... In case you're interested in adding relevant links to wikipedia, please check the WP:EL! Thanks! Pm master 02:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

helpme

I am trying to capitalize categories, but once capitalized, the link is lost and it's not recognized by Wikipedia! How can I do it?

I am not sure what you mean, could you provide an example and put back {{helpme}} when you do so we know to check back.--Commander Keane 00:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Pm master, check WP:NAME for capitalization of article titles and capitalization within articles. Check WP:CAT for categorizations and naming conventions. I don't think you'll be able to add new categories until you have a longer user record, and capitalization in Wikipedia has rules. If you truly need a new category, drop me a message on my discussion page and I'll help if I can. --SueHay 03:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} I'm trying to add twinkle, but I'm a bit confused, where is this monobook.js file? Thanks! Pm master 00:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The monobook file is located here: User:Pm master/monobook.js. Miranda 01:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, you shouldn't be vandal fighting just yet, since you are new. However, you should be familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's five pillars. Miranda 01:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} Miranda, thanks, I have no intention to fight wars or whatever :). But it looks like a cool tool that I can get used to. Anyway, I've added twinkle's code to the page, yet still I can't see twinkle. Am I missing something?

Clear your cache, and restart your browser. Miranda 01:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} Sorry again, I did everything, restarted the browser, cleared my cache. Which page should I go to to see twinkle? I'm really sorry but I'm still not able to see anything. Is there a link that should appear on my site or something?

The instructions should be shown on WP:TWINKLE on how to install the tool. Miranda 01:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Check out a "diff" page (see Help:Diff). For example, go here. Click "[rollback]" and see what happens; as Miranda mentioned, WP:TWINKLE should have basic instructions. Note that the script does not work in IE. Also, please read through the definition of vandalism and take a look at the warning templates (which are strongly, strongly encouraged for use.) Best of luck, Gracenotes^T § 01:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

WOW! just wow! Thanks guys and girls! Pm master 01:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed an external link to this website: www.bealeader from the following article Leadership. My point was that the website had no content of its own (and it was only a one page site), someone re-added the link, saying that the "The content is the guide to the sites". I was reading WP:EL carefully and I wasn't sure what to do... Shall the link to stay or go? Thanks for your help. Pm master 22:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've taken a try at deleting it. The referenced site looks like a commercial site consisting of links to other commercial site which would be deleteable as linkspam if added individually. You were perfectly justified in deleting it in my admittedly fallible opinion. --Finngall ^talk 23:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Finngall Pm master 23:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the link got returned again, so I asked for another opinion from a more experienced editor (my sister, actually). She replaced the link with one from the Open Directory Project--the site itself is far less commercial and includes far more links to other leadership articles. If the original link was placed in good faith, then those who placed it should be satisfied. If not and the other link is returned, then they're obviously linkspamming and should be slapped down accordingly. Thanks again, and take care. --Finngall ^talk 16:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed that... Hopefully that guy will get eventually tired. Thanks again! --Pm master 22:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Please see the comments I added in the talk section of the team building article. I am annoyed by the overzealous editing of links to valuable content. --executiveoasis 01:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:Nulltl Hi, it seems that the article Team building has been reduced to a stub by a user claiming that the whole thing is a spam. The article was not bad, granted it had some spam but I don't think this is enough reason to stubify it... I don't think this action is helpful to wikipedia. Help please...

Revert the article back to the edit before the edit you mentioned, to do this, just click the history tab, click the cur button on the edit before the edit you mentioned, copy all the text in yellow and the gray near yellow, click the edit tab, and paste all that text and press sumbit! Need more help? Put the help me template back on this page! - ~VNinja~ 01:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

Hi VenomousNinja, and thanks for your help, the problem is I don't want to have a conflict with the user who stubified the article. I'm trying my best to do things the right way here. What do you suggest?

Raise the problem up in the talk page of the article in order to avoid a reversion war. Miranda 04:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry guys/girls to disturb you about this, but since I'm relatively new about to Wikipedia, I still need help. I reverted the edits of this user Busy Stubber on an article called Earned Value Management, the problem is that he took it personally and he's accusing me of being the same person who actually was against removing the article at the first time (please see his socket puppet section below). I've seen other edits by this user and he doesn't seem to have a very good spirit when dealing with people and throwing accusations here & there. I want to report this user, but I'm not sure where this status falls, is it vandalism or something else.I appreciate your help. Thanks.

It appears that you are in the early stages of an edit war. Discuss it with Busy Stubber on the talk page, and look for his reasoning. If he assumes bad faith or is unwilling to work towards a solution, drop a note on my talk page and I'll introduce you to the various options you'll have. It might be worth discussing it with him on his talk page. Removing template.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 04:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC) 04:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi The Rhymesmith, thanks a lot for your help. I discussed the issue with him and I feel he's going to be cooperative and everything will be ok once again. Thanks a lot for your help! Pm master 04:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

reference to change on leadership article

hi pm master, the notation "Leadership Psychology" im my oppinion, the notation (which has been there since 2006) belongs in wikipedia because, that so far is the only article that addresses leadership through adjustments to environment. that is a valid process and and many large organisations subscribe to it. "self promotion", there is a quotation by me yes (is that self promotion - there are many experts quoted on wikipedia) - also, that quote has appeared on numorous blogs around the world. i would assume that means people find it useful.

if you have any suggestions on making the notation more to your liking, please let me know

Carmaz 01:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Carmaz, thanks a lot for your answer. It's good that you agree with me that there's self-promotion there. The thing is, the leadership article needs a complete rewrite, it's very long with a lot of information that is really not relevant. I really suggest you take a shot at rewriting, or at least modifying the article in order to make it meet the wikipedia standards. I think your experience would be very beneficial. Since you're very famous on the subject, you don't need to self-promote yourself, other contributors will write about you and your work (I have to tell you I personally visited your website and I think you're quite experienced). One thing I haven't mentioned is that the information you added is subjective (I don't know if you agree with me on this one) and, consequently, not really encyclopedic. Thanks! Pm master 04:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Pm master, After reviewing the policy on external links at WP:EL, I agree with some of the changes that you have made. I merely want to caution you on one point, don't marginalize spamming by applying the term were it does not apply; it is the equivalent of calling juvenile vandalism as terrorism. We’ll lose the impact to fight spamming on a large scale if we nitpick on minor problems.

Hi and thank you for contacting me! The main problem is that you were citing a small blog post as a reference. Pm master 21:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Helpme request

{{helpme}} The Leadership article is in desperate need of a Wikifairy. I'm trying to locate an active one with no luck. Could you please help me on this one? Thanks! Pm master 00:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it needs a rewrite more than a wikifairy. If you do want to find one, check the attached category for someone who's around. However, I'd suggest that leaving a message on the talk page for the business wikiproject might be more effective. --Sopoforic 02:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Risk Management

{{helpme}} I noticed that you removed links to Monte Carlo Simulation and List of Project Management Software from this article. I am unclear as to why this was done as both are relevant to risk management and should be included in the section to 'See Also'. Please let me know your thoughts on this.--Tilleyg (talk) 18:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You also removed a recently added section on risk equalization at market level. You seem to think that this is not risk management, presumably because it is not what most individuals or companies faces with risk do. But I would argue that at the level of society this is a risk management process because it is intended to share risks (or stricly speaking the cost burden of unevenly distributed risks) amongs all members of society by a financial re-allocation of insured risks known as risk equalization. It may not fit into the textbook defintition given above it in the text but then writer of that text did not write the definitive text on risk management for all time. If you do not think this is risk management, please tell me what you think it is and where it should be explained in WP. To me Risk Management is exactly the right context for this.--Tom (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tom... I answered in the talk page of the article. Pm master 21:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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bad twinkle edit

autorun demonburrito (talk) 11:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I noticed, thanks fixing it. Don't know how it happened.Pm master 17:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Project Scheduling

I commented on your discussion on the Project Management Scheduling Page.

May want to take in Account that projects range in size from a few hundred dollars to tens of billions. Some of those require a staff of professional schedulers to manage. Project management is a skill set, not an industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.82.126.100 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge

I saw that you reverted my changes to this article, but your edit summary ("no need to stubify the article") didn't give me enough information to understand why. I've reverted it back, and gone into detail about each edit at Talk:A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge#October 2009 cleanup. If you have any issues with my edits or want to change things back, can we discuss it there? Thanks, Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 03:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

No need to discuss it here, we'll discuss it on the page itself. Thanks. Pm master 04:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Pm master. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Regarding reverts to A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge

Hello and good day! I would like to advise you to add citations and references to the article in order to back up information about it. I understand you claim it is important and will simply be recognised by experts in the field, however Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which should be accessible by everyone, and as such it is policy to have articles written in such a way that they are suitable for those interested in the topic, no just experts who already know about it. Additionally, information that is not verified cannot be kept in the page. Rather than revert other editors who are attempting to improve the article, please add references and citations to back segments up when re-adding them. Also please assume good faith of other editors, they are not attempting to vandalise the project, they are attempting to improve it, just as you are, and thus the best results will be achieved by working together and on project guidelines and concensus. Thank you for your time, and happy editing! --Taelus (talk) 15:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Please disengage with the other users attempting to improve the page. The other users are acting in good faith in order to improve the project, and are indeed following policy. Please avoid assuming bad faith of other editors, they are only trying to help. As soon as the article is well referenced, then I am sure that all will be in agreement with you. Good luck and happy editing. --Taelus (talk) 08:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Request to add external link

Hello PM Master. I note that you recently removed the external link to the Visual PMBOK(r) Guide from the PMBOK article. Could you please reevaluate this decision on the basis of the value added by jospar.com? While it is a condition of jospar.com's license agreement with PMI that people sign up for the site -- the Visual PMBOK(r) Guide delivers surprising value for free to people who are attempting to master the PMBOK. I invite you to signup at jospar.com and evaluate the value delivered for free by the Visual PMBOK(r) Guide. Davidjosparcom (talk) 07:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi David, there are 2 problems with your link: 1) It's 100% commercial, and 2) there's a conflict of interest as you seem to own the site. Thanks for your understanding. Pm master 01:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Howdy PM Master, How is a creative commons site with this much content freely available for the taking spam? I hate spam links as much as the next guy and it surely is not my intent to spam wikipedia, however I was trying to link in relevant sections. Thanks in advance for your kind reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.231.123 (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Notification of AfD of potential interest.

Hello there, I thought I would draw your attention to this article as you were involved in discussions about its notability: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/A_Guide_to_the_Project_Management_Body_of_Knowledge It has been nominated for deletion, feel free to comment on the relevant project page. Happy editing, --Taelus (talk) 15:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Earned Value Management Edits

Not entirely familiar with TW but you questioned my edits and external links and it appears that you deleted them without first checking them out. All external links went to non-commercial or government entities that are the centers of excellence on this topic. EVM originated in U.S. DoD and many of the pioneers and original research of the methodology needs to be made available in the entry. The books that I listed (aside from my not having a direct connection to those books and references) are considered to be the core guidance on the topic. Many of the authors give their publications away at no charge when requested. NDIA PMSC, for example, provides specific guidance to commercial industry on EVM implementation under government contracting and works with government agencies to clarify the guidance. PMI and the College of Performance Management are viewed in the U.S. as the non-profit professional organizations that have the core responsibility for ensuring quality and refereeing development of the process. I understand that there has been abuse of the site in the past and through LinkedIn I was one of the individuals who dealt with that issue. But the edits provided should be considered non-controversial and certainly are not entirely commercial in nature with the possible exception of the books listed. Of course, then Wikipedia should probably not reference books by, say, historians on any historical topic or mathematicians on any mathematical subject. I'll be happy to provide specifics but I'm not using TW.Nicholas Pisano (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I will revert back my edits, my mistake. Since your username is new and you added a lot of links I figured you added spam. I have one problem though with the PMI College of Performance management, which is just a link to a commercial website. Please review the link to this website, thanks.

Thank you very much for accepting the edits. The PMI CPM website may appear to be a commercial website by the outside observer but it is the website of a non-profit, almost entirely volunteer professional organization. They do not have a large full time staff. Like many non-profits in the U.S. the organization generates revenue through advertising from commercial entities on its website and in its publications. Non-profits cannot depend solely on contributions or membership fees. Full disclosure: I have been a member of PMI CPM going back many years to when I was an active duty U.S. Navy Commander. The organization began life as PMA (the Performance Management Association) and merged with PMI when that organization became the de facto leader among professional organizations in the U.S. for the project management profession. I also served on the board of PMI CPM as a volunteer (all board members have real jobs and put in many hours a week of volunteer work because of their commitment to the development of the profession) and I was the V.P. of Communications. In my role there I was the editor of Measurable News and in charge of the website. I created a firewall between the commercial interests involved in the organization and the professional development aspects. I think during my tenure that I was known as being an honest broker, given the competing interests and self-interest found in any professional organization. For example, despite the controversy regarding it I actively encouraged new contributions to the literature and published much of the first research regarding Earned Schedule, despite my own personal misgivings regarding the validity of the concept. Aside from PMI CPM I am also a member of NDIA, AACE, SCEA, PMI and NCMA. Thus, my interests are not parochial. Both civilian and government personnel in the project management profession (and the EV sub-category) participate in these organizations. In some cases the U.S. federal agencies have actively (and informally) delegated roles to these professional organizations to augment EVM and PM guidance. For example, the NDIA PMSC has an implementation guide that is coordinated with the federal agencies such as OMB and DCMA to clarify detailed issues of implementation in private industry when government contractual language specifies the use of EVM. So there are not always clear cut lines in the profession, which is why I expanded the section to take into account the relevant sources given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that will draw different levels of expertise. I have worked in academics and feel that it is always a good idea to point people in the right direction and let them then draw their own conclusions, as long as we hone to the standards of objectivity and intellectual integrity. I would like to add a bit more content in a couple of places. For example, a seminal document in EVM is the work of Dr. David Christensen from 1993 where he was invited to come into the U.S. DoD and review project performance on key programs to determine the point at which cost and schedule trends could be significantly influenced. This original research, which was augmented a few years later, is considered the cornerstone of why we use techniques like EV in noting cost and schedule performance and how to leverage new technologies to provide better and faster information before being locked in to a particular result. Almost all research on EVM since that time refers back to Dr. Christensen's study. This study can only be found on the PMI CPM website library, btw. Back when the OUSD(AT&L) website fell into disrepair PMI CPM became the recipient of much of the content from that site. Thus, this is another service provided by that organization that can only be provided by raising the necessary funds. Final disclosure so that you understand my perspective and possible biases: I am the CEO of Safran North America, which is a project management software manufacturer. EVM is a subset of what we do though most of our income derives from commercial project management. My personal involvement in the EV profession goes back 25 years to when I was a U.S. Navy program manager and contracting officer. I retired from the Navy in 1997 and have worked for C/S Solutions, Deltek and now SNA--all software companies. So I would not undermine my own integrity by blatantly attempting self-promotion on Wikipedia. I've worked too long and hard to establish my professional reputation. I do appreciate your watchdog role and understand that it is needed given the previous self-promotion and abuse that has occured in many entries.Nicholas Pisano (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

CMMI

Mar 15 2010 you removed my paraphrase of a Dilbert cartoon satirizing CMMI and left the following message on my talk page.

Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits, as you did to CMMI. Readers looking for accurate information will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write practically anything you want. Dilbert is not a reliable metric to assess CMMI, thank you. Pm master 14:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I assert that Scott Adams is a widely respected cynic on business management, which he expresses in the form of a cartoon strip. In the strip about CMMI he makes a valid cynical point. There needs to be someway of expressing such cynical viewpoints in Wikipedia articles so that promoters of concepts don't have carte blanche, which appears to be case in the CMMI article. IMHO, it is virtually an advertisement by the Software Engineering Institute (SEI) at CMU. This is a serious NPOV issue and should be addressed in the CMMI article. Do you have any ideas for doing this? Roesser (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I am quite familiar with Diblert, but I think it still hasn't reached an encyclopedic status, where we quote lines from cartoons to post on serious articles. If you think the article is not balanced then please quote from another source (I'm sure if the claim is legitimate then there are multiple sources supporting it). I don't think quoting a cartoon expressing its opinion on something helps the article. Again, if you don't agree with the CMMI article as it is right now, please find a serious reference to quote from.Pm master 19:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Reading the CMMI article again, I totally agree it is not balanced, but again, cartoons are not the best reference in this context.

Critical Path Method

You asked, "Who is Remington Rand," which I cited as a participant in the development of the Critical Path Method (CPM). I cited a paper, Critical-Path Planning and Scheduling, presented by James E. Kelley of Remington Rand and Morgan R. Walker of DuPont, and published in the 1959 Proceedings of the Eastern Joint Computer Conference. These two gentlemen were the principle parties in the development of computerized implementations of CPM in the late 1950's. Remington Rand was the company that developed the UNIVAC I, 1103A, and 1105 with Census Bureau configuration, models for which CPM programs were written.

Please be patient with me as I take my first steps as a Wikipedian. I respectfully request restoration of the changes and citations I contributed to the article on the Critical Path Method. I look forward to your comments and questions.

Schedulosophy (talk) 17:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the info. I have reverted my revert, your edits are now visible. Take care and please accept my thanks for making the article better. Pm master 17:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I intend to make quite a few more changes, a little at a time. So, we'll be chatting more, I am sure. I will appreciate you oversight. Schedulosophy (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Pm Master, I am writing to ask for your assistance in editing an article since it looks like you know quite a bit about project management, write and edit based on your opinions, and also since RHaworth suggested I reach out to someone not associated with my company to get unbiased comments and help in getting the page included.

First some background: I work for a company that produces project management software called ManagePro. A Managepro page has been put up in the past and deleted for advertising. I recreated the page under my user page (Tswelch) to make edits. Someone then userfied the page to Tswelch/ManagePro. I asked RHaworth to read the article and make suggestions. He then said I was a sockpuppet for Rbrim and Scanplan and asked if I had done what he suggested (seek unbiased advice and help from another wikipedian).

Can you please take a look at this article User:Tswelch/ManagePro and offer any suggestions to me that might get it approved for inclusion on wikipedia? Yes, I do work for the company, but the software is notable and worthy of mention. I believe you will give your honest opinion, even if that opinion is that it is hopeless to get ManagePro mentioned in wikipedia. Thank you. Tswelch (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)Tswelch

Need some advice

Pm Master, I am writing to ask for your assistance in editing an article since it looks like you know quite a bit about project management, write and edit based on your opinions, and also since RHaworth suggested I reach out to someone not associated with my company to get unbiased comments and help in getting the page included.

First some background: I work for a company that produces project management software called ManagePro. A Managepro page has been put up in the past and deleted for advertising. I recreated the page under my user page (Tswelch) to make edits. Someone then userfied the page to Tswelch/ManagePro. I asked RHaworth to read the article and make suggestions. He then said I was a sockpuppet for Rbrim and Scanplan and asked if I had done what he suggested (seek unbiased advice and help from another wikipedian).

Can you please take a look at this article User:Tswelch/ManagePro and offer any suggestions to me that might get it approved for inclusion on wikipedia? Yes, I do work for the company, but the software is notable and worthy of mention. I believe you will give your honest opinion, even if that opinion is that it is hopeless to get ManagePro mentioned in wikipedia. Thank you. Tswelch (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)Tswelch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.39.69 (talk)

• • You will see that this message was mistakenly posted in "critical path method" above. When I tried to remove it from that section, I was disallowed because the edit was seen as un-constructive.68.116.39.69 (talk) 18:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)Tswelch

Hi Tswelch, my personal opinion is that your product is worth having an article on Wikipedia. I advise you take a look at the following pages Wrike and Clarizen to have an idea on how to create a better, more objective article. It's very important to reference your article from reputable websites (you already did that, but more is always better) and the article has to be objective. You have to understand the editors are doing their job, it is against Wikipedia terms to create an article about your company. Please explain on the talk page after you create the article why it should be there. Let me know after you create it. Allow me to have a conversation with the above editor on your behalf. Take care!

Pm Master, I have re-written the ManagePro page at User:Tswelch/managepro and added several reference articles. Can you please take a look at it? I still feel it needs more editing, but I'm also ready for some feedback. Thanks in advance. Tswelch (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)Tswelch