Talk:Glasgow

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Resolved - image was removed from {{Commonwealth Games Host Cities}}. Franamax (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Glasgow is a big city and in that big city you can find almost everything. It's a very nice city and you can do much things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.41.211 (talk) 11:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Glasgow 800

I wonder if anyone else remembers the celebrations and festival to celebrate 800 years of Glasgow receiving Burgh status. It was of course in 1975 and I remember it as being quite an important year for Glasgow. I was considering writing an article on it, unfortunately I don't seem to be able find much information on it (probably my incompetence). Has my memory of it been blown out of all proportion or was it as important as I seem to think it was? Coll Mac (talk) 11:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess it was just me that thought it was a big deal. :) Coll Mac (talk) 13:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I still have my mug, as received by all school children at the time...well, my Mum has it on top of her cabinet...lol82.6.1.85 (talk) 06:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

Sorry, I would help if I could, but I wasn't around in 1975. Andrewmc123 (talk) 16:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC) hallo ik ben pietje bell en ik ben raar!!!!!:D

WikiProject Glasgow

Recently, I have been starting to develop WikiProject Glasgow and I was wondering if anyone would like to help out? Andrewmc123 (talk) 11:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I rememeber this from primary school and still have the mug that every school kid got. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domainscot (talk • contribs) 16:07, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Tourism

The ONS has this week published figures (see reference!) that show Glasgow to be the fifth-most visited UK city by overseas visitors. Perhaps someone closer to this article than I could work this in...? Matthew (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Dialect

A headbutt is known in many parts of the British Isles as a "Glasgow kiss", although this term is rarely used by Glaswegians themselves, instead saying "Malkie" e.g. "ah'll Malkie ye" or "stick the heid on ye".

A Malky is a Malky Fraser, that is, a razor, alluding to the straight razors formerly used by Glasgow street gangs: "Ah'll Malkie ye" therefore specifically means an attack with an edged weapon. Furthermore, sticking the heid on someone was more typically called sticking the loaf on them. Nuttyskin (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, your right, a malkie is a razor. Found this on google books where they do say it possibly comes from rhyming slang for Malcolm Frazer. Can't say I've heard of the expression sticking the loaf though I have heard the term using your loaf. We shouldn't forget that different parts of Glasgow had some different slang terms. Slang terms in Glasgow have changed over the years with many of them no longer being used. At one time a place like Maryhill would have a different slang term than say that of the southside. Coll Mac (talk) 12:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

A malkie is definitely a headbutt perhaps it means something different to older generations but no one these days would know it to mean razor. To stab someone is known as to chib. The origin of the word may be razor but the original poster was correct in it's current usage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.139.170 (talk) 08:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Pictures

Am I the only person who thinks there are too many pictures in this article? Seems some people just use wikipedia as an extension of their flickr accounts these days. Greggykins (talk) 21:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Before the discussion page was refreshed there was significant discussion relating to the fact that there were an insufficient number of images in the article. I personally added some respectable images in response to this, some of which were CC images available on Flickr. I consider the article to look a little drab now, particularly when compared to other city articles. What are the thoughts of others?GeorgeRob (talk) 08:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Collage picture is garbage and is filled with abysmal pictures. Author seems to wish to invoke a peculiarly parochial viewpoint of Glasgow.86.169.98.251 (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Just an update, I had to revert back a image. It's not as good as perhaps the Edinburgh collage, i'm sure we can select better pictures, I think the top picture in the current collage needs to be replaced. I should add, I think the point of a collage is to show images of the city, not images that are symbolic of the city, like an image of underneath a bridge or an image of a wall full of graffiti.86.169.98.251 (talk) 23:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Got to agree that my collage isn't great and I was (and still am) hoping that someone will replace it with something better which isn't in violation of copyright, which this new images is.... See here. Please remove this image as it will be deleted at source. Bjmullan (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I see what you were trying to do, maybe you could work with some of the images already on here to create a new collage? I think the collage of Edinburgh is really beautiful and says a lot for Edinburgh. I think you could do the same for Glasgow. I shouldn't have unilaterally removed your image, it took you time to make, it just was very grey and more like a collage showing the symbolism of the city rather than images of the city itself. It's better than what I could do. Have a look at the images already here and maybe you could make something?86.179.77.214 (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Crime section

Basically, huh? It doesn't read like a wikipedia article at all. I'll have a go at fixing it but I've never undertaken a big section of a big article like this. Anyone with a little more experience want to volunteer? Jackster (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I actually read it for the first time the other day and i suppose it is based more on the fact of tourists and what / where tourists should / should not go. In that sense it is good but it could be retitled. I wouldnt remove anything just yet though, maybe put a proposal up here and get feedback on it.(Monkeymanman (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC))

This section is written so badly id consider rewriting it with simply crime stats to show whether or not it is in fact improving. Lines like "Although you'll see it being worn everywhere by the locals, don't be tempted to wear any piece of Old Firm" need to be completely removed.... referring to the reader directly as "you" with advice? I dont think so. BBnet3000 (talk) 00:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Would you not agree the advice is good though, on what / where not to go, put an example up here on what you plan to change and we can work to improve the section.(Monkeymanman (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC))

Whether or not the advice is good, this is an encyclopaedia article, not a tourist's handbook. It's telling the reader what to do rather than giving information. What other city has this on it? The section is entitled "Crime" but there is no real information about crime. I'd suggest putting in actual crime statistics and information instead of commands to make it into an actual Wikipedia article. (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Why have it in the article at all then? If you could make an attempt at a different style of section then put it up here and i am sure quite a few editors will have their say one way or other. If you give me a few days i will have a go myself(Monkeymanman (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC))

Removal of GA and lots of help needed!

I've gone throught the bottom half of the article and done the following:

• moved information into daugter articles
• put tags on where citations are needed
• removed a lot of wordy, weasley language
• other minor changes for clarity and style

I've been doing this for hours now, and it's still only half done. I cannot fathom how this article ever got GA, so I've removed that. I'll do my best to keep coming back to help with the fixes but I've not even finished identifying the problems so pls, a little help? Please don't be offended at the GA removal. Glasgow is great, but the article isn't.Alun 09:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Local Rivalries?

Should there not be at least something about Glasgow's famous rivalry with Edinburgh? I would suggest that it is culturally relevant as many people who live in Glasgow (and those like myself who used to live there) still have some sort of "resentment" toward Edinburgh and its inhabitants or a sense of what could be described as local patriotism to Glasgow. Further argument for the cultural importance is found in the fact that this traditional rivalry has been parodied in television shows such as Chewin' the Fat and is mentioned by many famous Scottish comedians including, but not limited to, Billy Connelly and Frankie Boyle. Outside of comedy, the rivalry can be seen between football fans as well as on many web forums which shows modern cultural relevance.

There was a news story recently which was discussing the abandonment of the Glasgow Airport rail link which was proposed for the 2014 Commonwealth Games. I can't proclaim to be an expert on this particular area, however from my understanding, many people felt that this was a slight by Edinburgh on Glasgow and a show of bias to the extent that this view was broadcast on the BBC news as the story occurred. Indeed, that was the feeling of many of my friends from Glasgow and the surrounding area. This surely shows that, though historic in its basis, the rivalry has enough bearing on this article to be included.

Your views?

iMarc89 (talk) 05:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I dont think saying that glasgow has a rivalry with edinburgh will add anything that would improve this article at all. On comparison with other articles (this can get peoples back up but anyway) like Liverpool it does not state any rivalry with Manchester although one does exist and like wise.(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC))

Crime section dispute

What is the beef with the section now? I thought it had been tidied up to a standard that was agreed upon(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC))

It was written as a sensationalistic hit-piece. It selectively depicted only the issues that would present Glasgow in the worst light, and used a distinctly nNPOV tone. For instance, it compared Glasgow's murder rate to London and Manchester, claiming that that made Glasgow "one of the most dangerous cities in Europe", yet failed to mention that Glasgow overall violent crime rate is much lower than either of those cities. It also compared Glasgow crime rate to the rest of Scotland, which is of little relevance as large cities almost always have higher crime rates than national averages; a more valid comparision would be other cities of equivalent size. Most of its claims were unsourced or unsupported by the source provided, and a number were parently absurd (Bishopbriggs listed as a particularly 'notorious' area when a) it's not even part of the city and b) is an affluent middle-class suburb). The section was unredeemable in the form it existed. Barryob made the correct decision in ditching it.FrFintonStack (talk) 18:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

firstly the section that was there before (which was more of a tourist go / dont go informative essay) actualy made sense to include but there was a major beef with that because it showed areas of the city that were not 'perfect'.

I have been informed over experience of wikipedia that both sides of an argument / debate within an article should be shown both good and bad. Per head of population glasgow has one of the highest murder rates and knife crime in europe, fact. The facts were sourced if you had bothered to look at them and have been mentioned on numerous occasions on scottish television. The original section i believe was to try and show that only certain places were 'dangerous' particularly at night. Bishopbriggs is within the glasgow district, i.e. it still has a glasgow postcode, and yes parts are an affluent middle class suburb, but parts are degenerative council estates. Simply removing content that does not meet peoples pov is kind of pushing the issue a bit. The section that was there originaly was meant to be cropped / tidied up not simply deleted.(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC))

The murder rate claims were sourced: most others were not. However, as I have said, the murder rate claims were presented in such a manner as to violate WP:NPOV, and were not placed in an appropriate context. It's nothing to do with removing information that does not meet people's POV. It is to do with removing information that does not meet Wikipedia's clear policies on inclusion. If anyone wishes to include information of this type, it needs to be supported by sources which meet WP:V and WP:RS; the fact that it's been mentioned on TV is relevant only if you can provide a specific reference to a specific programme and broadcast date. This borne in mind, the nature of Bishopbriggs isn't particualry relevant without a source: still, this article is about Glasgow, not Greater Glasgow or the Glasgow Postcode Area (which covers much of Western and Central Scotland), and I still maintain that it's preposterous to mention Bishopbriggs ahead of probably 80% of districts in the Great Glasgow area. Find a reliable source stating otherwise and it can go back in. The same applies to all other claims.FrFintonStack (talk) 17:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

i still say the original section worked best and that it was only meant to be trimmed down, but i dont really care either way but it does get to me when certain articles react differently to similar arguments(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC))

why glaswegian not glasgowan?

It just doesn't make sence if you know the entemology of the term please email me at jamesmitchell29486@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.12.165.254 (talk) 15:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is 'mince' 'mince' and no 'mance'... it just is! Lol!

Media

In this section the following: "Glasgow is home to the Scottish national media." is wrong. National can't be used in this context. This should be changed to "Scottish regional media". 212.219.249.5 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

so your saying that scotland is not a country and there is no STV(scottish television)(Monkeymanman (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC))

Scotland is a nation not a region, England is not a region why would Scotland be. West midlands is an example of a region. National means for a nation eg national galleries of scotland, and the quote is even explicit in saying Scottish national. Where would you say the Scottish national media is based? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.139.170 (talk) 08:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Sport

THIS: "The world's first international football match was held in 1872 at the West of Scotland Cricket Club's Hamilton Crescent ground in the Partick area of the city. The match, between Scotland and England finished 0–0."

is wrong because you can't have an international match inside a country. It needs to be deleted. 212.219.249.5 (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

so your saying that there was no scotland at that time?(Monkeymanman (talk) 20:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC))

International literally means between nations, not between countries. There is no disputing that Scotland and England are different nations even if you do dispute that they are different countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.139.170 (talk) 08:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Scots?

Is states that the Scots for Glasgow is "Glesga"... this possibly may be the case in Scots areas (Glasgow istelf hasn't been a majorly Scots speaking area for a long time), but I was raised with 'Glasgow' (Glaz-goh) in Standard English and 'Glesca' (Gless-kah) in Dialect, and that it's normally non-natives that use Gelsga, Glasgae, GlaSSgow etc.92.5.18.125 (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh and the IPA given for the standard English is in an English Received Pronunciation accent and not anything approaching a local one. 92.5.18.125 (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Change it if you like but I think it's much better limiting the 'Scots' names to one (if even that). And I just looked at the IPA and I'm pretty sure it's correct. Johnhousefriday (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The IPA is correct if you happen to be Prince Charles, not if you have a Scottish accent.92.5.18.125 (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm no expert but in Scots IPA, but I think it would be closer to /gʰlazgo:/ or in dialect /gʰlɛska:/

http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_chairt_for_Scots#Consonant_chairt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Symbols_and_sounds

92.5.18.125 (talk) 12:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Why not just show the spelling and let people pronounce it however the hell they like(Monkeymanman (talk) 14:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC))

The IPA is correct. It is a relative system, meaning it accommodates differences in acents. The page to which the IPA links gives examples of words using those combinations of sounds. If you still think it's wrong then you're obviously not saying those words properly either. Johnhousefriday (talk) 16:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

John. No IPA is not correct for a Scottish accent and IPA is a anything but a relative system... just look at the IPA entry here and you will see IPA symbols are DESIGNED to map to absolute physical constellations of mouth, tongue etc.

I just find it rather ridiculous that there isn't a proper entry showing how it is pronounced locally, but instead rendered in the dialect of the English Uppler Classes.

Monkey: perhaps we could do the same for Milngavie... since English spelling and further still the orthography (spelling...)of place names isn't always self-evident, it makes sense to have some sort of guide... of course, a decent recording of a local saying it would also help blind users. But I suspect it was a weak attempt at being facetious?

92.8.147.86 (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh and the REASONS for the given IPA being wrong- rather than teh catchall of it being RP- is the Scots would have flat long vowels not the the dipthongised ones of the RP as given in the page entry, and then there is the aspiration of the initial G and arguably the L too which occurs locally, but not in RP...

Fair enough if you want to take me to task on this issue, but please at least know enough about UK phonology to do so with some kind of rebuttal. 92.8.147.86 (talk) 10:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

What i was trying to say to the unregistered user was that different people will pronounce things differently i.e. potato - potato, tomato - tomato, that old line that people thow at you when you question their pronounciation. Milngavie is a different argument that is spelt and said COMPLETELY differently, which SHOULD have some form of guide to how it is pronounced.(Monkeymanman (talk) 13:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC))

Which addresses NONE of my points. You have actually contradicted what you said earlier (that the IPA given was universal to all speakers). Again, the IPA given reflects how it would be pronounced by an upper-class English person. What has that pronunciation got to do with Glasgow??? At the very least it should be shown how a Scottish person would prnounce it. After all they don't give the Scottish IPA for London 92.8.147.86 (talk) 13:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Enlighten me to what the Scottish IPA of London is? Okay how do you intend to improve the article as you seem intent on this rather minor edit of an extremely long article and have no humour what so ever(Monkeymanman (talk) 13:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC))

I'm from Milngavie and went to school in Glasgow. If there's a problem with the IPA given, then you can suggest an alternative - anyone can edit Wikipedia! :) Johnhousefriday (talk) 13:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest (glaz-go) rather than (glass-go)(Monkeymanman (talk) 13:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC))