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Arts and Crafts movement is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.

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Date	Process	Result
August 27, 2004	Featured article candidate	Not promoted

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Old comments

I own a craftsman bungalow in Grant Park (Atlanta) and am attempting restoration with limited funds; a slow but steady process. I love the clean lines and simple artistry of solid heart pine carpentry. I'm looking to share resources, salvage goods sources, and tips and techniques with others out there. I'm learning as I go along, reading a book or two, and genuinely trying to get this right. Please post a response if interested. Michael Beavers

Does garden design form a part of this movement?KRS 17:59, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Gertrude Jekyll's gardens are Arts and Crafts classics. In fact the idea of a "cottage garden" is allied to the movement. Wetman 21:05, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There was a redirect at the beginning of this page before I started editing it. Now it is missing. It is not there in the previous version. Could someone look into it?KRS 18:02, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Sorry its there when you come from Arts and Crafts MovementKRS 18:05, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Sentimental socialism"

We're not permitted this recently-deleted phrase—too pat, anyway, just as it was— so would someone with a good grasp of the intellectual atmosphere of non-rigorous socialist-tending concepts and feelings espoused in the Arts and Crafts movement please give us a paragraph on Arts and Crafts and socialism? Maybe with some evocative quotes. It mustn't employ the word "sentimental". Thank you. --Wetman 22:18, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong annotation

quote: This article does not deal with the American usage of the term.

What is this good for? I mean, the "Arts and Crafts movement" to me has always been a British movement. There is a use of that term in the US, but that should refer to the article Arts and Crafts. There is no such thing as a American Arts and Crafts movement. Or am I wrong? -- 217.233.130.26 15:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There indeed was an American Arts and Crafts movement slightly later in time. It generally encompassed architecture and interior design. Think Frank Lloyd Wright in architecture and Gustav Stickley in furniture. Ironically, the Stickley article links back to this one which disclaims to discuss American A&C.

The Arts and Crafts Society has some very useful links. Perhaps I'll research some of this (I have several texts at home) and come up with a few paragraphs. Ruidh 21:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation?

Are "Arts and Crafts" or "Arts and Crafts Movement" proper nouns? Otherwise, suggest this and similarly-named articles/categories {{capitalmove}}d accordingly. Regards, David Kernow 22:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a movement called the "Arts and Crafts", it's a movement called the "Arts and Crafts Movement" isn't it? So "Movement" is part of a proper noun, not a descriptor of a proper noun, so it should be capitalised?

JimmyGuano 07:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Historicism

Currently this word appears twice in the article. I am not sure what it is supposed to mean in this context. Please elaborate. pmr 10:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted "eclectic revival of historic styles". --Wetman 21:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Art Nouveau

In the beginning of this article it is stated that the term Arts and Crafts movement is often used to denote the style between the Art Nouveau and Art Deco eras, and in the Influences section essentially that ACM principles inspired Art Nouveau. Please clarify. Sergivs-en 00:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)Sergivs-en[reply]

A thinly-disguised list

"Its best-known practitioners were William Morris, Charles Robert Ashbee, T. J. Cobden Sanderson, Walter Crane, Nelson Dawson, Phoebe Anna Traquair, Herbert Tudor Buckland, Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Christopher Dresser, Edwin Lutyens, Ernest Gimson, William Lethaby, Edward Schroeder Prior, Frank Lloyd Wright, Gustav Stickley, Christopher Whall and artists in the Pre-Raphaelite movement."

A thoughtful opening encapsulation of the Arts and Crafts movement and its progress could weave this thread of names into some text. --Wetman 19:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arts_and_Crafts_movement&oldid=172080272 The 13:28, 17 November 2007 81.109.194.159 version] of this article was translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Philopp (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arts and Crafts movement → Arts and Crafts Movement — The title is itself a proper noun, rather than the word "movement" being a description of a thing called the "Arts and Crafts" (which otherwise means something else - see Arts and crafts). Shouldn't it therefore have a capital M, like Oxford Movement, rather than a small one like Reform movement? —JimmyGuano (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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British and American?

The A&C style seems to have been pretty popular here in Australia. I think this needs some clarification, because the article then goes on to talk about A&C in Germany and other places, with illustrations from Sydney and Auckland.

Socialism

The article states that there were "socialist undertones" to the movement, too vague a phrase. It should say who was a socialist. Morris was certainly a socialist but Ruskin most certainly was not, he was a conservative. Marshall46 (talk) 14:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this: "There were also socialist undertones to this movement—most explicitly, and primarily, in Great Britain—in that another primary aim was for craftspeople to derive satisfaction from what they did. This satisfaction, the proponents of this movement felt, was totally denied in the industrialised processes inherent in compartmentalised machine production." It has no source and it makes no sense. Socialism is about public ownership of capital, not about opposition to industry. I have replaced it with a brief mention of Morris's socialism. Marshall46 (talk) 17:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

B class?

This article is a long way from B class. It lacks inline citations, is far from comprehensive and it needs a lot of cleanup. I have change it to Start Class. Marshall46 (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Negating historicism"

I deleted the statement that said the arts and crafts movement negated historicism. If historicism in art means the imitation of past styles, then the arts and crafts movement most certainly did not negate it. Marshall46 (talk) 15:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not happy

with 1910 as a starting date for the movement in the US. But am not sure that I can fond a source here (work). when I get home, if it is still annoying me, I'll do something. Unless YOu do it first. Einar aka 98.23.211.46 (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, those dates would be completely wrong - although I think it's actually unclear wording, and the point intended was to illustrate the gap between Art Nouveau and Art Deco (vague, and obviously 1925). It needs fixing though. If "US Craftsman" is to mean "Gustav Stickley", then that's 1895(-ish) to around 1915. Earlier if you include Lloyd Wright's Craftsman phase, maybe a later start around 1900 if you're picky. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well I am not that picky, but if Boston had a A&C society in 1890, that's going to be what i change it to. After getting a good source, of course. Einar, signed on this time as Carptrash (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can we have some inline citations for the section on the USA? Marshall46 (talk) 08:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links - preventing link farms

I have just trimmed a couple of the external links in this article. More should be deleted as it is looking like a bit of a link farm. WP:ELNO has some good guidance on what shouldn't be linked. Of particular note is the first of the listed criteria - that the external link should provide extra information over and above what the article would contain were it to be of featured article standard. Just because a website has interesting info on it, it doesn't mean it should be linked. If external link is selling any product or service related to the subject of the article then it should never be linked - spam should not be tolerated on Wikipedia. --Simple Bob (talk) 13:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I'd agree with you that there are bad links that need removal, there's no blanket policy against links to commercial sites. The relevant comment is only 5th in the lists, and even then it states "Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services," Note that it says "pages" and not "sites". If a commercial site that exists to sell products also has some background information on other pages, there's no reason not to link to those pages. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"British Isles"

I changed this to "United Kingdom". I see that the editor who put "British Isles" has been banned for it. Apart from WP policy on the matter, it's inaccurate in this context, which refers to England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland (the United Kingdom at the time) and not to the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands, which are in the BI but not the UK. Apart from this, he has made some useful additions to the article: thanks. Marshall46 (talk) 09:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see the historical references are to England and Scotland so Great Britain might be more accurate. If there is material that includes Ireland then British Isles would be appropriate as it avoids explaining and/or pipelinking to different versions of the UK. Does anyone have access to The Grove Encyclopedia of Decorative Arts, Volume 1 who can check this?

The banning arose from this ruling of which you need to be aware. Ideally any insertion or removal of BI should be discussed first. --Snowded ^TALK 09:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The last paragraph contains a sourced reference to Ireland. Although Ireland was part of the UK at that time, "British Isles" might be best. If no objections, I will change it back. Marshall46 (talk) 09:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No objections from me --Snowded ^TALK 09:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Marshall46 (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of unsupported statement

I have deleted the following sentence from the section on the United States: "In the United States, the Arts and Crafts Movement took on a distinctively more bourgeois flavor than in Europe." There is no reference given to support this statement, which seems to be opinion or original research. Given William Morris' class background and the popularity of Arts and Crafts homes among working class and lower middle class Americans of 100 years ago, I don't think that this is an accurate observation at all. Cullen328 (talk) 22:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The section on the USA needs more work. Marshall46 (talk) 09:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use of British Isles

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