Talk:Reversi

Plagiarism

It seems as though most of the strategy section is copied, with very minor changes, from http://www.gamblinggates.com/Strategies/Reversi_Strategy01061.html

That isn't plagarism - that's copyright violation, which is far more serious. I suggest that you or someone else (sorry, I don't have time) post at Wikipedia:Copyright problems; hopefully an experienced editor there can deal with this promptly. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Posted per your suggestion - superβεεcat  23:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noting the concern. I suspect there may be a violation here, but have not been able to verify that. The first use of this text in our article predates the oldest archived version of that website by more than two years (which accords with their copyright date of 2004-11-10), which suggests they copied from us (or the same location we did). I've tagged concerns above in case somebody can identify a definitive source. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Going ahead with a major rewrite

I have tournament experience going back to the early 1980s, and I can eliminate any copyright concerns and otherwise improve this article. One point I plan to make at the end is that the conclusion given on perfect play is somewhat unsound on theoretical grounds, both related to endgame strategy and to the way a proof of this sort of result needs to be carried out. There is also an earlier reference than the NY Times mention, and so on. I won't be able to write the definitive article, as I have not continued with tournament play, but I can bring it reasonably up to par.Julzes (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so you're the one that added all the original research advising people on strategy and promptly forgetting the purpose of Wikipedia then. I see. This article should document what the strategic terms mean and/or how they've affected the history of the game. NOT tell people how to best use them. FFS. That involved a lot more thinking than normal to wipe all of that shit you laid on the article. I'm afraid I may not have done very well. I still think it sounds a lot like it's giving out strategic advice. Repku (talk) 03:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

OH SHIT DUDE YOU'RE ONE HELLUVA WIKIPEDIA TOUGHGUY, I CAN'T DENY YOUR UBER-LEET-MACHO-AWESOMENESS! Rpm2005 (talk) 14:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't made any edits.Julzes (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Now, I just made one edit, replacing the final sentence of endgames.Julzes (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Windows Reversi

Does the little game included with old versions of Windows have its own article? I'm sure most people think of that when they hear of "Reversi". Is there a list of commercial Reversi/Othello video games anywhere? 2fort5r (talk) 18:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed rename to Othello

I'm pretty sure that the name Othello is far more commonly known than Reversi. All but one of the cited sources (the one from 1895) use the name Othello, as do most of the external links. The largest organization devoted to the game is the World Othello Championship. This article, and others linked to it, all consistently use the name Othello. As far as I can tell, all modern versions available for sale anywhere also use the Othello and not Reversi. A comparative Google search is a bit tricky because the Shakespeare play brings up too many false positives, but even when you use the - operator to rule out any results with "Shakespeare", "theater", "movie", "actor", etc. (can't rule out "play", because that applies to both), you still get more hits than with Reversi, and most of the Reversi hits also mention the name Othello in the first sentence in the search results. (Try also searching for Reversi -Othello to rule out those which use both names, and it cuts down the results by about a third.) Reversi might be the older of the two names, but Othello seems far more widely known. (It's also worth nothing that my browser's spell-checker knows Othello and not Reversi, but that might be thanks to the Bard again - it also knows most other Shakespeare characters I can think of off-hand.) Lurlock (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm inclined to do a sound complete article. There is an enormous amount on chess. I think I'll look into just how much this should be changed and give an eye also to some other games. The country in which the game has been most popular has been Japan, generally, since its re-incarnation. I'd say it has some significance. I'm leaning toward Reversi/Othello, and that change could be reasonably started by anyone. I have not been involved myself in decades aside from a brief appearance at a national tournament.Julzes (talk) 14:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Major Expansion To Occur In A Reasonable Time-Frame

I'm not going to make this game my life again, but I'll flesh out all the necessary improvements. It's going to help with wikipedia's image a bit to get this one and other games more on a par with their significances.Julzes (talk) 14:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

Reversi/Othello → Reversi — I believe this should be moved back to the original Reversi title, as that is the name of the game as it was created in the 19th century. Othello is a trademarked version of Reversi, and shouldn't be showing up in the article title, even if it may be the most common name the game is known by. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems wrong to have a forward slash in the title as it makes it look like an extra like an extra folder. There is always going to be an issue as to what to call this page. The problem is not just to do with familiarity with the name but that the game is played competitively under the name othello. Clearly a redirect is going to be needed for at least one page. I would prefer to see a page called Othello due to competitions and computer programs.Tetron76 (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support Despite the above I do think that the page is better as Reversi than as Reversi/Othello and the Othello (Game) would not be the primary Othello page. A choice is better than a compromise in this instance.Tetron76 (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that there will probably eventually be a subpage that will have the game called Othello this should be factored into people's decisions.Tetron76 (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Anything but the current chimaera of a title. No more "Football (soccer)"s... 86.6.193.43 (talk) 23:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Part of the rationale for the choice is that the game has a significant history attached to the specific brand name. The world championship series is th 'Othello world championship', for instance, not the 'Reversi world championship'. It's also necessary to distinguish between the rule-sets of the two games in any complete article. These are the reversi rules that differ: 1) The players alternate placing the first four discs, resulting in an alternative center starting position when flipping discs commences; and 2) Each player has a total of 32 disks to place, and if one player runs out he/she is done and the opponent can then make repeated moves. The use of a brand name is not a real reason for supporting the change either, so long as it doesn't amount to an advertisement. The idea is to write a complete article at some point, though at present I lack the time. A more complete article will deal with a good deal more of the history, not particularly more about the proper way to play the game. For all intents and purposes, the game may be called what you like and a redirect is all that really is necessary; I just feel that it's more accurate to have the name split as it is.173.15.152.77 (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support. Reversi is a good topic of its own, and a far more important topic than any one of the many board or software implemetations of it (or of variations of it), however notable. (I once had to write one of them as a university assignment, and over a hundred of us passed that course, and how many such courses have there been worldwide?) The Othello gane probably deserves an article of its own as well as a section in this article. The current name is a horse put together by a committee. Andrewa (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support. The title should assume the simplest name possible, and certainly not a non-standard one. Othello is a trademarked name, and it isn't even the most common use of the name! Of all the possible titles [Reversi, Reversi/Othello, Reversi (Othello) Othello (Reversi) Othello (game)] it is apparent that the best title is Reversi. And, tangentially, this article should use Reversi as a constant term, and should be achieved without a splinter page using Othello. We don't have AmE or BrE subpages of articles using different spellings, nor do we (or should we) have subpages using different terms. En-AU Speaker _(T) (C) ^(E)

00:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)