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How do the LGA's work in Melbourne and sister cities?

I know Australian cities are kind of confusing in how they're defined, but I'm a bit lost here, I'm just not sure reading this article, what parts of "Greater Melbourne" consider themselves to be Melbourne. In Sydney, there's about 43 Local Government areas which make up the population and area figures normally given to them, 38 of which (listed in the Sydney article) would generally consider themselves to be part of Sydney (i.e. nearly everyone born in one of them would say they're born in Sydney), whereas the other 5 would generally just be part of the statistical division (I even wonder if there are people who live there who don't know there population figures go to Sydney). Is it similar in Melbourne? Are there some LGA's that wouldn't consider themselves part of Melbourne outside of area and population figures? Or are all 31 LGA's considered part? Or even, is it only the city of Melbourne that is actually considered Melbourne?

And on that note, is it appropriate to list "Sister cities" for the City of Melbourne when this article isn't solely about the city of Melbourne?

Sorry if I don't make any sense, I'll clarify anything that needs to be if you ask. Anoldtreeok (talk) 02:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

You make a lot of sense. The municipal boundaries don't. I live on the outskirts, about 35km from the city centre. From my perspective, there is one large city called Melbourne which contains a large number of suburbs, with a total population of around 4 million. In people's daily lives, that's what matters, not which LGA they belong to. When I'm away from Melbourne and people ask me where I'm from, I just say Melbourne. If they ask for more detail, I give the suburb name. The LGA only becomes important when we have to pay council rates and when the the garbage doesn't get collected. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah OK. That's about how I'd define Sydney (Except for the mentioned parts that may not consider themselves Sydney). If that's the case, then should the list of sister cities to the City of Melbourne be included? Anoldtreeok (talk) 02:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd say people consider themselves part of Melbourne as far out as Frankston and Pakenham in the southeast. Really goes with the train network. South of Frankston, and in the Dandenongs past Lilydale and Belgrave, I don't think people do consider themselves part of Melbourne. I know must of the mornington peninsula is included in Melbourne statistics, but I'm not too sure about the dandenongs. I'm also not too familiar with the north or the west. Davo499 (talk) 04:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Added length tag

It's 140kb, significantly longer than many other articles that also contain these tags. Altormainstream (talk) 03:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of McKillop Street, Melbourne

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Housing

The housing section contains several un-sourced statements and the number is growing . Shouldn't these be removed? (Although a link to Housing_in_Victoria,_Australia is included, but the article has similar issues too.) wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps, though there are at least some sources in the main article which could possibly be used in this section. I'm sure sources could be found, nothing seems to be too unbelievable. If not, then perhaps it should be removed, the article is tagged for length, so maybe just put the "housing in Victoria" link in under the Urban structure heading? Whatever other editors think, I guess. Anoldtreeok (talk) 04:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Cars

The article seems to suggest cars became common in the early years of the twentieth century. It was true that they were about in some numbers before WWII, but it wasn't until the 1950s and 60s that cars really took off as a common mode of transport in Australia's cities. Until then it was trams, trains, buses, bikes or walking for the great majority.

Climate

I've always had an issue with the line in this paragraph about Melbourne enjoying extended periods of settled and sunny weather in spring. Has this guy ever lived here? Does he know that spring is statistically Melbourne's wettest and windiest time of year? Has he ever experienced a crappy week in October? Chodaboy57 (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It's certainly not a sourced statement. Could have come from a marketing brochure. I'd be happy to see that sentence deleted. HiLo48 (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Gone! Also removed the bit about Melbourne have the same/similar average as Sydney during January and February, which is only two months in the year and I'm sure you could have a huge list of cities which have the same/similar average, so it is rather pointless. Cited sources are needed for the heatspells and the Australian capital city record. Bidgee (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Good work. I've found what looks like a credible source that actually contradicts the highest capital city temperature claim, here. It says "The capital city with the highest temperature is actually Adelaide with 47.6ºC (117.7ºF) on 12th January 1939", obviously higher than Melbourne's 46.4°C. I think I'll moderate that claim. HiLo48 (talk) 06:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

What I thought. I knew that Perth, Adelaide or Sydney would challenge Melbourne's claim. Bidgee (talk) 06:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Can someone add something about experiencing all the four seasons in one day in Melbourne? Nameisnotimportant (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)