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Let me be the first

Let me be the first to say welcome back dearest Bishonen. Sadly though it is hello and goodbye. I am off to a place which has not yet attained the standards of civilization to which I am accustomed. I may be on the internet tomorrow, I may not. I may stay away longer and attempt tp discover on behalf of my great nation the lost civilization of Vidalia. The again I may stay in NY. Then again I may go on to Canada where I see a need for some charitable work. Speak whenever. Welcome home. Giano | talk 16:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, since Giano has beaten me to it, I want to be the second. I'm not sure whether Wikipedia is feeling better or whether spring has come, but whichever it is, it's good to see you back. I owe you an e-mail, anyway, but I owe lots of e-mails to people, so you may have to wait a little bit. All is well with me. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 16:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Now that I come to think of it, maybe it wasn't Wikipedia that was to feel better. I assumed that because of the "it", but you referred to the page as taking a wikibreak rather than to yourself. Are your pronouns a little sloppy, or am I being dense? :-) If you were referring to yourself, I hope you're feeling better. AnnH ♫ 16:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

And I'm happy to be the third to say welcome back to your page. ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 16:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Wait, where wans't I? El_C 16:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

A day late and a dollar short as usual. ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 16:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this is going to become much worse before it becomes... much worse! Kitty 17:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Salon's open

You guys are here already? That's so sweet! I was going to say, the salon is now open for business, please join me in a cup of tea or coffee! Make yourself at home, have a glass of champagne! Ignore the rain of frogs, bring your brollies! Bishonen | ノート 17:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC).

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  Please join me in a cup of coffee...
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  ... tea...
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  ...or Veuve clicquot!

Hmmph! At least some of us had the courtesy to wait until the official opening. Heathens, all of them up there! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Very right. --BorgQueen 17:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

File:Bitter-example.jpg

Lämna vänligen in produkten på lämplig återvinningsstation när den är förbrukad.

Have a good weekend, all. POETS. I'm off for a pint in 15 mins. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Have a cozy cuppa! ..dave souza, talk 19:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Alack! Did we ever come up with a name for the Salon or will it just be generically called "The Salon?" *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Being from the South, i'll have a nice tall glass of sweetened iced tea, if you please. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Two questions:

1. What's a "brollies"?
2. Got any tequila?

android79 19:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

File:Tequila-sunny-window.jpg

Ved slutten av produktets levetid bor det avhendes på en kommunal miljostasjon eller leveres til en elektroforhandler.

• 1. One brolly, two brollies: umbrellas. Good against rains of frog, rodents, snakes.
• 2. Do I ever! Help yourself! Bishonen | ノート 21:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC).

How lovely!

Darling! I am so sorry I missed your call, and so pleased you left your card. How delightful the salon is open again. Indeed, we've all been quite bereft while you were gone. All the usual gathering spots had the same dreadful people and the same trite conversation as last season. The theatre has been dull - except one perfectly horrid opera which has the most pathetic excuse for a soprano, screeching away but everyone's ignoring her - really, simply too dull. Oh, I did have a secret admirer for bit - he was quite devoted, but then he spoke with some of my other beaus and became discouraged, I believe. But now you're back, and you simply must tell me about your excursion! Did you in the end decide on Arctic rather than North Pole? I am all attention. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I give up; who are you? Lydia Bennet? Both the précieuses ridicules? Millamant? Lady Mary Wortley Montagu's poodle? Bishonen | ノート 14:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC).

Very close, but I am currently channeling Dorothy Parker's From the Diary of a New York Lady, circa 1928. KillerChihuahua^?!? 22:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Although the poodle is clever... Wish I'd thought of that. KillerChihuahua^?!? 22:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Who do you think you are?

Who do you think you are banning Fighter for freedom? I hope you can tell I'm being sarcastic. That guy is obviously on some kind of drugs. Well you got one pshycopath out of Wikipedia. Good Job! Ifeelfine 21:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Vsmith's block of Theodore7

Vsmith's block of Theodore7 was actually February 10, a month ago... —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops. What a sneaky guy! Bishonen | ノート 23:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC).

Sorry for spamming that; I was hoping to catch your attention before you updated every single page this incident is now spread across. No such luck :-( —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

More Theodore7

I have undone your 2-week block and replaced it with an indefinite one (and the protection of his UT page) because he continued to make the same legal threats on his UT page. I encourage you to review this action and give me feedback on it and, if necessary, reverse me. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 01:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Why do the psychos always make the legal threats?Ifeelfine 22:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

That'll do, now. Bishonen | ノート 22:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC).

flora

there aren't enough in my hopper, else I'd leave one; so instead, just Hello! +sj + 01:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

How nice to see you, sj, sit down, have a File:Party.gif! (While the graciouos hostess goes to bed, here, but there should be plenty of company.) Bishonen | ノート 01:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC).

My eyes, the LSDoes nothing! Who said that?! El_C 03:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Tour

A tour of America in 18th c. British literature has been e-mailed to you. It lacks a conclusion, but I did ok for writing it all in a day. Geogre 23:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Drive for Swedish quality articles

Hello. This is in regards to the upcoming Wikipedia improvements Wikipedia:Pushing to 1.0 and Wikipedia:Stable versions, which have the intentions to provide stable versions of articles suitable for prints or publishing.

I've noticed you have written several articles about Swedish matters. If you feel some of these are decent enough to deserve recognition, you are encouraged to nominate them at Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/Swedish quality articles. In the end, our articles should be comparable to what is expected from the Encyclopedia Britannica. If it currently isn't, but you feel you have spent a considerable amount of time on it, you are still encouraged to nominate it, so that your work will be recognized and others can continue to improve on it. Don't be shy! :-)

Fred-Chess 11:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

They're breeding

The comma examiners and gnat inspectors. See my talk page for an example. (Someone had done the immensely constructive job of removing all apostrophes in dates in Oroonoko, and I reversed it.) I could say more vitriolic things than I have said already, in fact, but this goes into the overfull file of "rancor that profits no one to let out." Urgh. Geogre 01:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC) (Looking for a bell tower to climb.)

Lonely ost of the subarctic north

Somebody just created Category:Swedish cheeses. Don't they know how hard researching Swedish cheese is? As far as I can tell, no anglophone has ever taken an interest in the subject. Why is that? It there something they're not telling us about these cheeses? Are they secretly just awful? (I have to admit, the only cheese I've ever been unable to eat was my first and last try of geitost (yes I know it's not Swedish, but if Giano can say I'm from Idaho, maybe I can be allowed this stretch), but perhaps I got a bad batch.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

If you couldn't eat it, you got the right stuff. Bishonen | ノート 07:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC).

don't ask you?

But I want to know! Short tons or metric tons? Tons or tonnes? Displacement tons? Deadweight tons? Harbour tons? Assay tons? Freight tons, gross registered tons, water tons, How many tons? *bounce bounce yap yap* KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! Down, nice doggie! Have a piece of Hushållsost (the little circle over the a makes it delicious, you know.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Harbour tons? All right, so be it. Do you realize how disapponted I was not to see any pecks, firkins, or hogsheads in there? You just stuck with the liters! :-( As for hushållsost, the word has a particular meaning: cheap cheese. That's what it means. "Hushåll" is marketese for "cheapskate". While as for the redoubtable goat cheese geitost, only one man in our generation has eaten it and lived. Bishonen | ノート 19:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC).

Does it literally mean "household", or was that source full of bad cheese? It's not fair about geitost; it looks so pretty, and had a beautiful label. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

No, it's household, sure. Only cheapskates hold houses. Hey, Bunchofcheese, did you notice the final paragraph of Jules Verne On Ice? Making Nils the hero as suggested. :-) Bishonen | ノート 23:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC).

I sure did! Nils is da man. I keep looking for opportunities to work the phrase "Paradise! Large even ice floes with pools of sweet drinking water and here and there a tender young polar bear!" into my life now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Before I read up on it I knew the story vaguely, as a Swede will, especially since the 1982 movie, and I assumed that they only ate polar bear meat because they had to; but no, it turns out they liked it, they never tired of it. Andrée writes happily in the diary about the succulent rib meat, and has whole menus centered on it: frostbitten chocolate, sugar that's gotten wet so many times it's in liquid form and kept in a bottle, polar bear ribs. There's so much material in those diaries, I could do a Featured Article about the food alone. (With a great surprise ending about the respective merits of the trichinosis theory, the vitamin A poisoning theory, the botulism theory.) They had canned cheese, too.

User:TheEmoEater

I could use a hand here. I removed offensive content from his userpage, but was reverted by User:Flamingspinach, and now he's TheEmoEater has gone into full-on troll mode. android79 19:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

iMuchas gracias, muchacha! (All these special characters in the little box, and they don't even have an upside-down exclamation point?! Or an interrobang?) android79 20:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I hope you're not talking about me with "full-on troll mode" :< Sorry, it appears I had a vast misconception as to the extent of the sanctity of one's own userpage o.o Hope I haven't caused too much trouble! — flamingspinach | (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops! No, no, I was most definitely talking about TheEmoEater, who is certainly living up to the troll label. android79 03:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

That I'll agree with :) — flamingspinach | (talk) 04:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is an interrobang: "‽" and some Spanish punctuation marks: "¿" "¡" -- ALoan (Talk) 11:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow you're strict

--TheEmoEater 21:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I tell it straight because you've been messing about too much already. It's a personal attack to go on about Android's so-called "vandalism" for cleaning up your attack page. Please don't keep that up, or you're likely to find yourself blocked for trolling and disruption. Bishonen | ノート 21:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC).

Andrée

Bish, I'll take a look at your references in a few days, but I'm a bit busy right now. Tupsharru 10:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Tups, I just stalked you to Christina of Sweden. My, my, there's a precocious 23-year-old! Grrrrr. There ought to be a law. Or a note below the edit window, along with the copyvio and verifiability caution: "Don't say things at random just because they occur to you". That would cover a lot that goes on in this place. Bishonen | ノート 10:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC).

The article is terrible. I just looked it up yesterday when listening to a radio interview with Peter Englund on his new biography of Christina. I removed some hardly legible nonsense on how Swedish supposedly had the same word for a monarch regardless of sex, that had survived in the article since early november last year. Despite some probably excellent articles on legendary baseball players and a complete coverage of pokemonology, Wikipedia 1.0 still seems far away. Tupsharru 10:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I haven't checked the references yet, but I expanded Ekholm's bio a little. There is more to say about his meteorological contributions, but I just don't understand enough meteorology to do that. Tupsharru 18:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Emails

For some reason I can read emails but not reply to them, I'm on a strange connection so it probably is something to prevent me communicating with the outside world, bur does not prevent me posting here. Indcidentally this confirms my view that most of the editors here are probably convicts. I am tied up for most of the day anyway - so can you keep on eye on the palazzo for me, especially te rose tinted image which keeps disappearing on favour of one which looks more like a Florentine Penitentionary (prisons on the mind I wonder why). Giano | talk 14:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Managed to send one Giano | talk 19:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Block on 209.130.181.130

A quick "thank you" for the swift block on this vandal. I was having a hard time reverting his/her "contributions" they were coming at such a rate. A quick block was definitely needed. Thanks! Gwernol 18:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure! Bishonen | ノート 18:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC).

I am surprised!

I'm sorry to see my interest enhancing bear has been thoughtlessly and callously (and if I may say so - to the page's detriment) removed from your new page however do not despair I have found some more.

Mine is the one on the right called "Manueligenoneve" you can call yours what you like.
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Awwwww! Mine is the cute one on the left! It's called Bearonen! Bish.

...and this one BoG is yours, if you have the chance you can call him anything that might help!

Giano | talk 17:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to see this page dotted here and there with a tender young polar bear. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for expert assisstance (Hopkins School)

Hi Bishonen! I've been sent by Harro5 to request your help. I understand you were a huge help on Caulfield Grammar School, and I'm hoping to join your ranks with my own school, Hopkins School. The article has already been through its first PR, an ill-advised FAC, and is closing out its second PR. After that and a few final dabs (I'm trying to get a good digital map of the campus, eg) I'd like to try my hands at the second FAC. Is there any chance you could give it a good once over, change what you can, and LMK if anything major needs alteration that you know of? Thanks! Staxringold 00:46, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Expert on school articles, me? Ha ha! But I'll be glad to take a look, I'll probably get to it later today. Bishonen | ノート 08:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for all the advice! I'll get right on it, let me know if you think of or see something else! Staxringold 04:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I've reformatted the references, listing all the web sources as retrieved today (having checked they still provide the proper information). I'll move the Hilltoppers section, and try to work out the boring bits of the Academics/Facilities section, but they are rather needed (if dull) in a school article. I think chronological order is the only way that will be clear to the procession of time in The Fallow Years, but the last sentence is a bit nonsensical. The reason is that the better source, Chronicles of Hopkins Grammar School, is a pretty rare book at the librarian wouldn't let me take it home. Thus, I was forced to finish off the section with the more outline style manuscripts I have from the school archivist. Once I get back to Hopkins and get my hands on that book I can touch up the ending with more ref'd detail. Staxringold 04:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Pattern of contention

Hi Bishonen -- Have limited time here right now, but wanted to ask you about any history/information you might have on Sean Brunnock. On the Pottery article, (see discussion page and archive) for the past couple of months, he has been a source of contention with other users. Since I've been mostly away, I've only been "hit" a couple of times. While citing Wikipedia rules, he follows by applying them to his own opinions and arguments, but not allowing the same courtesy to others. He also does not appear to understand the idea of concensus, or the fact that any given topic can be seen from differing perspectives by people in other disciplines. He also discounts any personal or professional opinions by editors, except his own, of course. I am not interested in censuring him, but I also do not see any way of working with him in a constructive manner. Any information or advice would be welcome. WBardwin 02:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, W. I've never heard of this user. I've now read Talk:Pottery, and understand your frustration: he seems to shift his ground a lot, apparently in order to not engage with the major point of the other side. I think, or hope, that that point is that an encyclopedia article is supposed to report, not solve, the disagreements between published experts in the field. But the talkpage discussion having gotten entrenched in certain details that I don't know anything about, I'm not sure I'm reading it right. Anyway, yes, as an outsider's opinion, the user seems to either have trouble grasping that important principle, or to simply not want to; it's hard to tell whether it's time to stop assuming good faith or not. Theoretically, the thing to do for this content dispute is list the page (not the user—I'm sure that would be pretty pointless) on WP:RFC, for "more eyes". Although that theory often seems to come up against the sad fact that interest in these listings can be pretty low. I'd still advise you to try it, as it's not much trouble—RFC'ing a page is nothing like RFC'ing a user—but not to get your hopes up too much. Sorry I can't be of any help. Real Life just hit me with a lot of delayed essay grading, I shouldn't be on wiki at all right now, and I need to reserve the time I have strictly for my new article Jules Verne On Ice, which I spent my grading time writing (bad wikiaddict!). It's on Peer review right now (hint, hint, in case you feel like a little reviewing). How's your block collection coming? :P Bishonen | ノート 08:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC).

Article on the Wikipedia article on Prem Rawat

You may be interested to read this article by a critical former follower that discusses the Wikipedia article on Prem Rawat and also Wikipedia in general. Andries 09:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I was, thanks. I believe he's quite right about the articles where people's passions are involved: no merely encyclopedia-writing editor is ever going to match the zealot in patience when it comes to molding an article to their preference, keeping guard over it, investing their lives into arguing about it. It's surprising that the system overall works as well as it does; but that's not very well. :-( Bishonen | ノート 10:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC).

Now Jossi is arguing for its exclusion as an external link in the external link section. Yet another dispute in the endless disputes about this article See Talk:Prem_Rawat#Anti-wikipedia_article_by_ex-premies What do you say? Andries 06:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I say endless, endless, endless. :-( I've posted my opinion in this particular dispute on Talk:Prem_Rawat, but I really am not up for being drawn into any back-and-forth, you know. I have stuff to do in RL, and also I just get intolerably frustrated by the endlessness. Bishonen | ノート 10:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for your comments at talk:Prem Rawat. To answer your questions that you posed to Jossi. Yes, there is a webpage created by Gerald Joe Moreno aka user:SSS108 that attacks me and my activities at Wikipedia. See www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/sathya-sai-baba-wikipedia-bias.html Please do not link to it. I had originally and for a short time argued for excluding the website with the webpage from the external link section of the article Sathya Sai Baba, but I later came to the conclusion that I was wrong in this respect. Andries 12:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It is peculiar to me, Bishonen, that you refer to "zealot patience" in regard to the Prem Rawat article, but fail to make the same assessment about Sathya Sai Baba, Andrie's life project here in Wikipedia. From my perspective, I am interested in having a solid, stable and NPOV article in Wikipedia about Prem Rawat, the same I wish for about any other subject. I oppose any attempts to make any article a vehicle for the disparagement and criticism of a person, in particular when this criticism is made by rather insignificant small group of people that have made it their stated aim to destroy someone's reputation by means of using the Internet and projects like WP to amplify their usually tiny voices. If you want to help with the article, you are most welcome as I have made it very obvious in my communications with you. But injecting yourself in the controversy by praising an editor for "his relentless efforts in attempting to balance the article", without knowing much about the subject, the dynamics involved, etc. and then saying "I don't have the time", it is difficult to understand. Maybe you care to explain. As for your tiredness of "back and forth", believe me when I say that I am of the same feeling. I am working on Core Topics for Wikipedia 1.0 and have to go back again and again to the Prem Rawat article to stop it from degenerating into a battleground yet again. Did you know Bishonen that we reached consensus about 2 years ago about the contents of the Prem Rawat article that Andries, the ex-premies and supporters all agreed to protect (with the understanding that no one what 100% happy with the article, but that we could live with it?). Do you know who challenged the consensus, Bishonen? Andries and his buddies the ex-premies (yes they are friends), They will not rest until their POV is asserted, and that is not a happening thing. NPOV a problem form them? collaborative editing too tedious? so they resort to writing "essays" and then link them to the article. Nice. So, if you are as tired as I am of all this back and forth, please don't encourage it further. Thanks.≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It is true that I made some changes, but no major changes after I founds new sources and after concensus had been reached. This is unavoidable if you ask me. And then suddenly editors starting behaving as if there never was a concensus version. You cannot blame people for not having the time and patience to edit that article and seek an alternative for that by writing articles and essays. And I do not think you need to know much about the subject to see that just mentioning the words "criticism and controversy" in the lead section without trying to be more specific is not very NPOV and quite unencyclopedic. Andries 16:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I explained the controversy in the lead as agreed, but it was reverted by someone else. Pls discuss in article talk, and not here. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you do not want me to discuss article content here then I will discuss your behavior. You deleted several times an explanation in the lead of what the "controversy and criticism" was all about. You reverted me several times and only stopped reverting me when an outsider, user:Dsmi, intervened. Andries 20:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you want to discuss behavior, first take a hard look at yours. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 21:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Ron Obvious will now split a train with his nose

Rather good stuff with the attempted blow to the pole. I did a few minor tweaks and tunings, but I think this is your Jonathan Wild: the story is going to make it one of the most popular FA's of them all. Be prepared to see it translated into several language (and perhaps be told that the German version is better). Geogre 17:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help...i did mean to remove those two from FAC, but I was'nt sure about the proper procedure...once again, thanks.Thefourdotelipsis 21:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Bishonen | ノート 22:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC).

Being watched is being mocked

Surly, unoriginal, insistent, the Northern mockingbird is watching you!

I just uploaded a new picture, and I sent you one that I won't upload, via e-mail. There is much mythology about the fellow pictured here, but the truth is that mockingbirds are mean, mean buggers. That's one more reason that Tom Robbins referred to them as the true artists of the natural world. Geogre 19:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Damn! I may be the only Wikipedian who hasn't been blocked or retired to be able to write about these things first hand. Fever, spasmodic pain, etc. Yipes. Also, screaming Mimis (hmmmpf) last night. Geogre 11:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh nooooo! Say it isn't so! How ARE you? Bishonen | ノート 11:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC).

I had to cancel my class (fortunately, only one today), and now I'm going to call the doc and hope that he doesn't want expensive tests. I'm starting to get a little loopy from the fever, and I feel deeply betrayed by pain coming from that spot. Yow. It's not nice, not nice at all. Geogre 13:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear God! I had a very small one of those a few years back. Your experience must be different from mine, though, because when the pain hit me (somewhere in the small of the back) there was nothing to do but go straight to the emergency room in an ambulance. (Where I had the educational experience of learning that intravenous morphine has apparently no effect on me other than to induce vomiting.) Please get well, Geogre. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mine may be smaller/better/whatever. In fact, I think I've dislodged it, but the pain is quite sharp (and I'm a veteran of pain). Since I already take morphine every day, that may be why I'm tolerating it better. My back hurts, but I'm also feeling really awful from the fever. Maybe it ain't stones. Maybe it's a kidney infection or a UTI. Expensive tests will answer the question, but I'm in no position to go through them at this time. Urinalysis nearly breaks the bank. Machines that go "ping!" are out of the question. Geogre 17:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Never fear Giano is here! Deep sympathy. I've had 3, the last one had to be surgically removed through keyhole surgery - believe me you don't want to know where the keyhole is! You must drink the juice of a whole lemon in a glass of hot water every morning for the rest of your life, and then you will never have another one. Sadly that will not help you now so it's got to be pethidine and hope it's not the keyhole - actually it's not as bad as it sounds, just deeply embarrassing - but God it was worth it. My surgeon said that the pain of a stone is far worse than child birth - my wife said "Hah! so how many children as he had" (well she said it in Italian, of course) which just goes to show that women are very possessive of pain. Seriously Geogre have the surgery email me if you want the details they really are not too bad! Giano | talk 18:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and drinking lots of water to flusg it through is a myth (my surgeon said) it just makes the pain worse as the fluid backs up, and doesn't flush it through any faster! Giano | talk 18:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I can picture Giano carrying his stone around with him like Pepys as he exhorts people to have his keyhole surgery. Ugh. This whole topic of conversation is making my back hurt. I'm sure Bishonen just loves it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• As a matter of fact BoG it had to go away to be analysed, and was never returned! You clearly have not sufferered as much as me - few have. I'm sure Bishonen is quite happy to have her page turned into "medical questions and help page" - I find things medical fascinating - perhaps I should have been a Doctor, I would have been very proficient I'm sure. I think I will go off now and write a new page "My Surgery" completely littered with inline cites! Giano | talk 18:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, the latest is that the fever keeps climbing, and my description of symptoms was wrong. We now think it's something else, and it, at least, would be due to chronic, pervasive dehydration, as I let the stuff sit too long and thereby plant seeds of misery in my virgin tissues. (Well, I had an exam, once, but that was college, and I was experimenting.) Damn, though, this fever is something else! So, it's Cipro and water and staying unconscious for me for a while. Geogre 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

No Geogre stop right here! That is just too bad, you are going to have to cope alone - it's just the "snap" of those rubber gloves - I am crying already. Giano | talk 21:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ow ow ow ow ow. Is anybody well enough to give me a little support here? Why am I all alone in protesting objections like these? No, not you, Geogre, get back in bed! Bunch? Are you suffering from any masculine ailment, or are you at leisure? Bishonen | ノート 22:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC).

Blocking user at FAC

Actually, I did not bully anyone or act inappropriately anywhere on the We Belong Together FAC. Do you care to point out a place where I did? Bcrowell2 and Tsavage posted comments anonymously and based on what I've read at Wikipedia:Vandalism, I believed that they were vandals attempting to place words into the mouths of both users. Therefore, I acted very appropriately by reverting the edits. Secondly, because Hollow Wilerding renominated Hollaback Girl at FAC countless times with constant failure, I one-hundred percent believe that you think I will just go ahead and reinsert it. Because of this, I feel obligied to ignore your "warning", however, considering there aren't any articles I've been working on to submit to FAC anytime soon at all, I'll probably keep to supporting, opposing, and commenting. But if there is one that I feel the need to submit, I probably will because I did nothing wrong on the page. I've notified other administrators.

Also, please leave me alone and refrain from following me around Wikipedia. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)