Talk:Sweden

Ethnic Groups

The article states that 6.2% of the population is of another ethnic group than Swedish, though in the source referred to, (http://www.scb.se/Pages/TableAndChart____26041.aspx) it states that in reality, 14.7 are foreign born, and a total of 19.1% is either born out of Sweden or has both parents born out of Sweden. The 6.2% to in the article represents the number of people living in Sweden who has not yet retained citizenship, but not the number of people of non-Swedish ethincity. According to Wikipedias own article about Swedes as an ethnic group, 7.712.376 people in the world are of Swedish ethnicity, which accounts for 81.9% of the total population of Sweden. Hence, the number 6.2% referred to for non-ethnic Swede's is by all means proven incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.178.243 (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

          I agree, the ethnic group section is plainly wrong. SCB clearly states that 20 % of the population is made up by other ethnicities, yet it is stated on the wiki that Swedes make up 90 % of the population. This should be changed asap. --94.255.146.60 (talk) 21:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Swedish-speaking Finns

At the 4th footnote is said that Swedish-speaking finns and other groups born outside of Sweden might consider themselves to be Swedish is absolutely wrong. We are our own people and we consider ourselves to be Finnish if anyone asks. I don't know any case of a Swedish-speaking finn who would consider himself to be Swedish. If you find a source for this i might consider it to be okay. But we're Finns alright, as much as the Americans not are British. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.56.50 (talk) 16:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you speaking on behalf of all Swedish speaking finns? I know some people in Åland that consider them self to be Swedish. - Fniss (talk) 00:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Åland/Ahvenanmaa is closer to Sweden culture-wise, and most of the people who live there speak Swedish as their mother tongue. Åland could be considered an exception in this case; most Swedish speaking Finns living in the mainland consider themselves as Finns. 85.156.216.148 (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case it seems perfectly true that "Swedish-speaking Finns or other Swedish-speakers born outside Sweden might self-identify as Swedish". I know that my grand parents certainly did. Skrofler (talk) 09:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Rike/rike

"The Swedish name Sverige (a conjunction of the words Svea and Rike – the latter is still spelt with the letter g, "rige", in modern Danish)" I dont see why it says how it spelled in danish, the important part it how it spelled in Swedish (rike). Otherwise you could wright up all translation of the word "rike". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxmannen (talk • contribs) 10:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The name comes from the time when danish was the official written language i Scandinavia. Thats why its spelled "-rige" and thats why its referred to danish in the article. I agree though... it should be explained why its referring to danish or skip it totally. - Fniss (talk) 01:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree on this. Being paraguayan (not knowledgeable about this subject) the reference to danish left me confused. The question that came inmediately to mind was "Why is the country's name in a foreign language!?", and there was no answer for it in the (very good and interesting) article. Of course it's very clear after reading Fniss's comment. But this explanation would've been interesting to read next to the text, as it would've clarified it. JuanParaguay (talk) 04:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jogo93, 20 July 2011

I would like you to check if the list with the largest cities of sweden is correct. It´s not the same list as this http://www.scb.se/Statistik/MI/MI0810/2010A01/MI0810_2010A01_SM_MI38SM1101.pdf, scroll down to page 9 on the pdf. This list is provided by "Statistiska Centralbyrån" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_Sweden, this source should be very reliable. The adequacy of this list of cities shoulb be investigated. thank you! Jogo93 (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: The article is showing the Largest metropolitan areas not just the largest cities which is why there is a difference in the lists, I believe at least. Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the answer Jnorton7558 gave, regarding the reason for the difference. SCB's definition of "tätort" (locality) on page 1 sounds like it probably more or less aligns with urban area, rather than metropolitan area. Specifically, it ignores city/county boundaries (making it not the population of the city proper), and ends wherever houses become more than 200 m apart, but it does not account for commuting practices and things like that, which factor into the metropolitan area. However, regardless of definitions, the current table has no citation for its source, so it could quite legitimately be replaced with data from this source, with citation. If that's done, I'd also suggest shortening it to not more than 10 cities. StephenHudson (talk) 07:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

This list is a laugh actually. The three largest metro areas are the only metro areas that Sweden officially has. The rest of the list seems arbitrarily defined by whoever made the list. The locality population have been used for some places, like Uppsala, Luleå and Trollhättan, while municipality numbers were used for Västerås, Linköping and most others. Since it won't make much sense to compare metro area populations to locality populations I would suggest editing this list according to locality population (with metro population in brackets). I will start doing this as soon as I can, possibly tonight. Skrofler (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Done!Skrofler (talk) 16:48, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request: found the missing citation, 25 July 2011

I found the citation that is missing under the education section, 3rd paragraph, in the part that talks about tertiary education:

https://www.tilastokeskus.fi/artikkelit/2006/art_2006-07-06_001.html

I found this citation source in the article about Finland, which discussed a similar set of statistics about its own tertiary education system.

Thanks!

Strange and not sourced statement

"Nobody has influenced electronic dance music in the 21st century more than the Swedish House Mafia," As much as I really love this group, I cannot honestly believe this. There is too much history thanks to the huge amounts of creative musicians in this genre. 81.233.168.217 (talk) 23:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request: Grammatical error

{{edit semi-protected}} In the "Climate" section, the following sentence is present: "Sweden receives between 1,100 to 1,900 hours of sunshine annually."

The usage of "between A to B" is a grammatical error and should be replaced by either "between A and B" or "from A to B".

An appropriate sentence would be "Sweden receives between 1,100 and 1,900 hours of sunshine annually."83.233.107.20 (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 09:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Personal union with Norway??

The article writes: "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union."

It is easy to believe that Norway was dependent on Sweden during 1814 and 1905 and that was certainly not the case. Even though many believes so.

In fact the Swedish army was led by Karl Johan (Charles-John) in the end of the napolonic wars invading Danmark making Denmark sease Norway to Sweden. Howerer the bother of the danish king was governor in Oslo and tried to become Norwegian king. ASo he called for the assembly of a first Norwegian parliament that made the Norwegian constitution. The reaction of Karl Johan was to send the Swedish militaries to Oslo on his behalf (he was the boss). Because he accepted a compromise accepting the constitution if he became also of Norway. So the only that was common between Norway and Sweden during those years were the king, the foreign politics (constitutional a royarl affair) and the embassies. In 1905 the Norwegians demanded own embassies and the king refused. So Norway elected a danish prince as king and on Norway went with own embassies. All the time Norway had its own army, parliament, law, administration that had nothing in common with Sweden.

I suggest the text is changed to "The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union, but only joint king, foreign politics and embassies, else two independet states." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.219.161.75 (talk) 04:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you should read personal union: "A personal union is the combination by which two or more different states have the same monarch while their boundaries, their laws and their interests remain distinct."

Andejons (talk) 06:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Consolidation date

Twice now, there has been attempts to put dates on a Swedish consolidation. First of all, dates such as the establishment of the Kalmar or Swedish-Norwegian union has nothing to do with this. Secondly, if the dissolvement of such a union is enough for an "establishment", then clearly the Swedish-Polish union should be included as well. Thirdly, the 6th of June 1523 was the coronation date of Gustav Vasa, who by this time had control. If anything, it is a de jure date, and even that can be discussed. Forthly, if one wants to put a date on a consolidation of Sweden, a guessed date for when the first historically certain Swedish king was raised to the throne is quite pointless. The whole point of describing it as a "consolidation" is that there is no fixed date. There are arguments that would put such a consolidation in the late 12th century (there are sources that tell of events where different "landskap" has tried electing different kings), or perhaps in the 13th, when the king was finally strong enough to impose at least some laws all over his realm.

Andejons (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Picofun, 5 September 2011

"Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.3 million inhabitants also the largest city" should be changed to "Sweden's capital is Stockholm, with 1.4 million inhabitants also the largest city".

The correct rounding of 1.37 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm) with one decimal place is 1.4 million.

Picofun (talk) 00:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I don't understand how did they figure out 1.37 million (urban) from the source. Materialscientist (talk) 00:32, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the figure altogether. Based on Stockholm#Historical_population, it appears "Stockholm" is ambiguous, as it can refer to Stockholm Municipality, Stockholm Urban Area, or Metropolitan Stockholm. We shouldn't just give a single figure without being explicit about which we're referring to. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 13:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Sweden Democrats

The Sweden Democrats are not a far-right party. That term is a political tool used by their political and ideological opponents to discredit them. On an economic scale, their position is centrist or right of center at most because they are in support of the Swedish welfare state and describe themselves as "social democratic." On a social scale, they are more in support of the Swedish model of ethnic tolerance (as they argue it) for pragmatic reasons of social cohesion making them national conservatives, which could be described as traditionalist in one sense, as well as for reasons of cultural preference, which shows that they are civic nationalist as well due to their beliefs that "anyone can be Swedish" through assimilation; this is a far cry from the ideology of ethnic nationalism that groups popularly and more traditionally described as "far-right" exhibit, which seems to be a threshold marker to be accurately defined as such. Just because a source is sited describing the Sweden Democrats as "far-right" does of course not make it so especially if these are journalistic sources who write stories without a necessity for academic integrity and whom are often openly tied to specific political parties or ideologies as is the case in much of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.196.58 (talk) 01:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed that the left-right scale is not as accurate and relevant as it once was, but the placement of the Sweden Democrats as a far-right party is correct on that scale. Read i.e. Left-right politics. /111126 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 (talk) 04:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

War/Armed Forces

The article says that Sweden has not been directly involved in wars for 200 years. I disagree with this claim. At the moment, Sweden has three armoured battalions in Afghanistan and has lost six soldiers in combat. I believe that is direct participation in war. 72.198.79.196 (talk) 03:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

This probably qualifies as sort of military conflicts rather than a war. Materialscientist (talk) 04:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Royal Anthem

Being a Swede, I can't understand the point in having the royal anthem (literally "The King's Song" in Swedish) posted in the article. The royal anthem is not considered official in any way and is not sung by other than strong royalist. Although Sweden strangely is a monarchy, keeping it does not correlate to the powerless position the monarchy has in Sweden. The article in Swedish does not have it. /111111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.250.36 (talk) 01:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 1 November 2011

Please change

to

as a citation is needed.

192.71.204.18 (talk) 14:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

What section and what is the statement that it supports?Sjö (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 21 November 2011

"Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007."

This is incomplete information. the Swedes call the oresund Bridge the Orebro. The line should be changed to 'Sweden has 162,707 km (101,101 mi) of paved road and 1,428 km (887 mi) of expressways. Motorways run through Sweden, Denmark and over the Öresund Bridge, or Örebro, to Stockholm, Gothenburg, Uppsala and Uddevalla. The system of motorways is still under construction and a new motorway from Uppsala to Gävle was finished on 17 October 2007.

Badgerknox (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense. Örebro is a city, nothing else.

Andejons (talk) 20:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily nonsense but a misspelling/misunderstanding in good faith. You meant Öresundsbron, or the Öresundsbro Bridge, not Orebro, Oerebro or Örebro, which as duly noted is a city nowhere near the bridge. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)