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Bloody Thursday

As far as I can see, the Bloody Thursday article doesn't specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday (or the others) comes from. As it's the article title you should tie this usage to a solid reference. It might also be useful to create a disambiguation page, as anyone keying in "Bloody Thursday" without specifying the year in the title format would be taken via a redirect to "1934 West Coast waterfront strike". It's not very difficult - I'd do it myself if I weren't keeping away from article involvement - but there's a potential risk of dispute as you negotiate your way round the existing redirect. (As an incidental word of warning in relation to the article, steer well clear of involving this topic with the "List of Massacres" article - the subject is a black hole for time and effort.) Opbeith (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The article is still in progress and will probably change a lot when I'm done with. It definitely will specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday comes from and will work on the disambiguation page - I already have worked on stuff that before. About that topic, I'm not really interested in it and after a fast look I think it's inaccurate. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Just found that there is a topic about it in Arabic Wikipedia here. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Salaam

Salaam friend. I was in vacation and didn't see you note there. I wrote a new neutral paragraph. Have a look. Regards, --Aliwiki (talk) 18:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Kamal Abbas (Cropped)

I was wondering if you could give you opinion on the picture nomination to be a featured picture. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Mohammed al-Tajer

You seem to be one of Wikipedia's experts on the Bahraini uprising... would you have any interest in taking a quick look over Mohammed al-Tajer for errors or omissions? Cheers! -- Khazar (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I have had a fast look indeed, it seems good and need expansion. I'll take another deep look when I get time. Good job. Bahraini Activist (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, thanks. I think I've taken it about as far as I can with the English language web, but if you come across anything else that fits in, go for it! -- Khazar (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar of Liberty

		The Barnstar of Liberty
		To User:Bahraini Activist for tireless, comprehensive, and terrific work on articles related to the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Khazar (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I've been reading through the work you've been doing all morning. Wikipedia needs more folks like you! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope it was worthwhile spending that time :) Bahraini Activist (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Well worth it! -- Khazar (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Salute

I saw your comment on Ameer's page, and I took a look at your contributions, and I wanted to wish you the best of luck. تعيش البحرين وسوريا وتونس ومصر وكل بلادنا وتسقط كل الأنظمة! :) Salamat. Yazan (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for caring to post here and for nice wishes :) Salamat *Military salute*. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 04:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Bahrain Revolution

	Bahrain Revolution
	Good night; I'd read what you published on bahrainonline Forum today and I am fully ready to participate in publishing the facts of our Revolution. To crush the gov.media and misinformation. Please contact me for any help regards; Om Abdulla Om.Abdulla.83 (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

hi

dont forget that the people that were tortured are in bad condition physicly , they need psychological treatment , they don't have future because of the trials from the courts , they can't work or study because they need a paper of something like behaviour from the government , some now don't eat , they think everyone is against them ..etc

this happening to my brother , he got tortured and now he's out from prison but it's still feels like living in prison to him out side , he even almost die because of the food they eat in prison , i hope you write these things and see if this happened to the others... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark-Cloud4 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Fadhila Mubarak

Hey B.A., I know you've got plenty to do already, but I put up a new activist article you might be interested in if you know of any additional sources for it. (Even getting the Arabic spelling of her name on the article would be a help). Amnesty International named Fadhila Mubarak as a prisoner of conscience earlier today. I'm going to nominate this one for Wikipedia:Did you know tomorrow and see if I can get it some Main Page attention. Have you looked into Did You Know for your new articles, by the way? It's a great way to get exposure for all this work you've been doing. Next time that you create a new article, you might check it out. Enjoy the day! Khazar (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for caring to write articles about activist relating to the uprising and I'm sorry that I didn't have time to improve them further. This is a bit more detailed article about her in Bahrainrights. I'm not sure if a citation can be found, but this is the song she was listening to when she was arrested in the checkpoint. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 08:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure--thanks for the source, and the song. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thanks for your great work on articles about Bahrain and the uprising! KjUaiKlqOpSmq (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I guess, even though I never edited anything about writers or books :) Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 15:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Naser Bader al-Raas

Here's an Amnesty alert on a Canadian citizen Bahrain is planning to lock up. You know the overall articles on the uprising better than I do--is there any place to logically insert this? [1]. It doesn't look like he's notable enough for an individual article yet, but if he is imprisoned, the Canadian press will no doubt be all over it.

Enjoy the day! Khazar (talk) 13:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure honestly. According to news he was arrested today. If he doesn't qualify for a separate article then I guess the best place would be "Censorship and repression" section in the main article 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Maybe we need to make a new section or article about those people who are involved, but yet still not notable enough. Here are some news related to him, which might help establish notability: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] and in Arabic: [9], [10], [11]. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 15:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I take it back, that's plenty for notability; I was foolishly Googling for his full name and didn't get those results. I'll probably try to write this one up in the next 24 hrs or so. It'd still be good to find a way to link him up with other articles to avoid his becoming an WP:Orphan, but I can probably just fit him on the template Thanks! -- Khazar (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Here are some tips for you:

1. Search in Bahrain's Google: Google.com.bh
2. When the name is in Arabic, try alternative spellings (e.g. Nasser instead of Naser - I know this might be hard for you since you don't know the Arabic pronunciation).
3. If you can, try to get the Arabic spelling and search for news in local newspapers, most notably Al Wasat [12].

Let me tell you again that you're doing a great job :) Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 15:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, and those tips should be a help! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

He's up. Can you add the Arabic spelling of his name in parentheses after the English spelling? It'll help Arabic speakers find the article for translation. I think I'll nominate this for DYK in the morning, so if you can think of anything else we might add, feel free! Thanks again for the help with sources. Cheers Khazar (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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Khazar

You posted on Khazar's talk, are you aware that he left us? Can you perhaps watch some of his pages, It's too much for me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

"he left us" made me think he died! Nevertheless, it's a great loss to Wikipedia. well, of course I'm ready to watch over and improve the pages relating to Bahrain, but that's all I can do. I'm aware of 3 articles relating to Bahrain: Mohammed al-Tajer, Fadhila Mubarak and Naser al-Raas Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 09:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if I didn't choose the right term, English is not my first language. And in a way it feels like death, especially as it is the second time, and I had been so happy that he returned. You could take a few more articles on your watch list, it doesn't hurt, simply notify someone else if you can't fix something you notice. I do that for 2 users already, it's getting too much to add his giant list, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

2011–2012 Bahraini uprising

I removed the tag. The article looks a lot better now. Nice work with it. Cheers. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikinews

Hi, Bahraini Activist, I've been trying to improve your Wikinews story and get it published. I hope you write again at Wikinews! It's a little bit different system and culture than here. I hope that news process doesn't discourage you. The basis of your last article was good. If you want to continue, I'd be happy to help you out. All the best, Crtew (talk) 05:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I will continue. It's just that I couldn't find time to re-write the article. This is a great opportunity for me and I appreciate it. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 05:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising

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Don't worry, the article itself won't be deleted for at least 7 days, so you have plenty of time to work on the re-write. Just make sure that you don't repaste the copyright material into your draft on Wikipedia while you are working on it, even temporarily. You'll also find the guidance at WP:Close paraphrasing helpful for the re-writing. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

It was my mistake in the first place, I tend to be lazy sometimes, and I think you handled it appropriately (I didn't panic like last time when one of articles written by me was tagged for deletion). I have started rewriting, but I must say that I can't rewrite some sentences, because this could change the meaning. I will put them in quotes, since rewriting may change the legislative meaning (e.g. "similar manner of abuse" may not mean "systematic abuse"). Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 17:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I took a quick look at your progress, having seen the case flagged up at DYK. The section 'Specific techniques of mistreatment' copies the entire structure of the source, including the title, and each of the sub-section headings in the same order. Also much of the text in each individual sub-section remains too close to the original, very close in some cases. I wanted to point this out before you go any further. You need to rework the material in such a way as to present the same information, but without keeping so close to the original structure of the source. I know that this is much easier to say than to do, and is a problem that all wikipedia editors face, particularly when there is only one main source of information. I will try to come up with some suggested alternative text for that section (or at least make a start), but I'm currently fighting jetlag and have to go and do the dayjob tomorrow, so this may not happen until tomorrow evening my time (UTC). Please prod me if I haven't responded by this time tomorrow. Mikenorton (talk) 22:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me and for any help you intend to do. There are other sources for deaths, which will hopefully make work easier there. I hope I'll be done when you come today and will only have to make a review and small tweaks. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 05:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

This is my suggested alternative for the mistreatment techniques section - I've changed the section heading, altered the order and tried to just summarise each technique, although some of the original text is obviously still used

Mistreatment techniques

It is claimed that a number of particular techniques were used in the mistreatment of detainees, during their questioning by the Bahraini authorities, in order to gather information or to induce confessions. The techniques included:

• verbal abuse, particularly involving denigrating remarks about the detainees religion or family members
• the use of tight blindfolds and handcuffs
• long periods of solitary confinement
• sleep deprivation, keeping detainees awake with cold water, beatings and the use of loud noises
• forced standing, often on one leg
• regular beatings, on the back, the head and the soles of the feet, detainees were blindfolded so that they could not identify who was responsible
• use of extreme temperatures
• suspension by ropes in painful positions
• rape threats against the families of detainees
• the use of electric shocks and burning by cigarettes in a few cases
• sexual abuse
• various other types of degrading treatment including mock executions.

I often find it helps to start out with a summary, possibly adding back in other information later with quotes where paraphrasing is difficult. Mikenorton (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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Same with Public_Security_Forces. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Problems with the rewrite

Unfortunately, I have had remove almost all of it today. It still consisted of verbatim paste and/or very close paraphrasings from the source documents. For example, see the duplication detector report comparing the WP text to one of the source texts (Bahrain: the Human Price for Freedom and Social Justice). [13] The other source [14] which accounted for the bulk of the infringement on is too long for the duplication detector and had to be checked manually.

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– Voceditenore (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I haven't had time to look in detail at the re-write (Talk:Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising/Temp), but from a spot checks, it still has considerable problems of verbatim pasting and very close paraphrasing from the sources. Just one example:

The Wikipedia article:

When the family were finally able to see the body the next morning, the uncle reported via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.

The source:

When the family were finally able to see the body this morning, the uncle reports via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.

- Voceditenore (talk) 09:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Greetings

Salam, user Bahraini activist. Just for curiosity, how's the situation about the Bahraini revolt? In my other page regarding the Yemen Revolution, Saleh finally steps down yesterday. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 07:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Salam, It's stuck here in Bahrain; the government is not willing to meet protesters demands and protesters are not giving up. No dialogue is going on. Opposition parties keep making 2-3 legalized sit ins and marches a week in areas away from the capital (they are not allowed to into the capital) which are usually attended by tens of thousands. Youth groups such as February 14 Youth Coalition keep organizing daily protests in villages attended by hundreds, which usually end with clashes with police using Molotovs. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 07:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry. The rebellions takes over the Habib Bourguiba Avenue, Tahrir Square, Martyr Square and the Change Square, certainly one way or another, Bahrainis can return back to the Lulu Roundabout. But I doubt the king will introduce his " Constitutional monarchy", just like Bashar al-Assad's reformation. But I was sad that while Souria Revolution gets worldwide attention, the Bahrain Revolt were treated as its Hizbollah terrorist funded the unrest. What say about this? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 08:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)