Talk:Window

Muscovy-glass Windows (Russia)

I know that at some point in Russian history muscovite was used as glass for windows. Would it be appropriate to add this information to the page? If so can someone suggest a good, authoritative resource? I can't seem to find a non-book resource with information relevant to this type of window. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etownunder (talk • contribs) 22:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

metaphorical windows

Would it be appropriate to add a section about the metaphorical use of the word 'window,' such as 'launch window,' 'window of opportunity?,' 'window dressing,' and (perhaps) 'I don't do windows?' 165.91.65.108 (talk) 02:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)RKH

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Church windows with cross. Salzburg, Austria
(April 2002).

Terminology varies a lot in the window and glass industries, but in "Window Materials", the statement: "Such a grille is called "glazing bars", "astragals", "muntins", "muntin bars" or "mullions"." I don't believe astrigal or mullion are applicable to what that paragraph is discussing. a mullion is pretty much strictly a load bearing part of the window. A result of, but not function of it's presence is that there is a seperate pane or panes of glass on each side of it.

Also, might be good to start a section in the article about glass coatings on windows? Anyone with some expertise? I'm no expert, but have a tiny bit of knowledge on it. Magu 10:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What about a transom? Would that be a type of window or a technical term? I know it's mentioned under 'window materials', but certain transoms are actually windows themselves.--Anchoress 21:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Terminology in the window and glass industry tend to vary a lot. Practically, I think since a transom is essentially a part of a door, it's not considered a window on it's own. It seems to me this would simplify inventory, ordering and manufacturing within a window company. Technically, it is a window... That is above a door. Some may disagree and I really can't say they would be wrong. Magu 10:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

To simplify my above comment, I believe it is a part of a door, as a transom is nothing without a door to be attached to. It serves no function or purpose, except to be above a door.

“Sunni Muslims hold that the window is a gateway to sin.” This absurd notion has nothing to do with Islam if in fact it even exists. At best it is a result of (possibly) confusing folklore with religion and at worst it is an attempt to maliciously malign the Islamic religion. In either case it is not factual and does not belong in the article. The comical attempts at creating “Arabic” terms expose the author's ignorance. “Astaghfir” does not mean forbidden. Likewise “ash-shaytan ar-rajeem Allah” is a nonsensical phrase that does not mean “against the will of God”.

In Christianity, the Gospel of Matthew is the only Gospel to refer to Christ’s use of an ornate window during the Last Supper.

Where in the Gospel of Matthew is this stated? I couldn't find it and I, like most people, don't have access to Cairns book.

I couldn't find it either and have no idea what it's referring to; a search of the entire NIV NT of "window" brought up nothing. Honestly the whole religion/window category is sort of odd and out of place in this article. Should it be deleted? --Toastedcheese 21:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes same here, the Gospel Matthew reference to a window needs removing, it isn't there in any English version of the bible that I've seen and it isn't in the original Greek. Even if Cairns book (I don't have it either) does contain such a claim it is something easily refuted by opening a bible. The statement is inaccurate at best, possibly a little sectarian for such a neutral topic! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.179.83 (talk) 10:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, well I've now checked the Cairns book (its available on google books) and p212 is about the "supremecy of the papacy 1054 - 1305" and doesn't mention Windows at all. I'm going to remove the questionable sentence - hope thats the correct procedure (newbie). Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.179.83 (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sun incidence angle

Uses the term "idiot" to describe historic window designers. little neutrality in the statement. Also the term fenestration is used, and it may be appropriate to provide a link for it or define it better. Unnecisairy latinization when it would be more clear to say 'window installation'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.227.100.250 (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect to 70.227.100.250, fenestration is a perfectly good architectural term and the disambiguation page covers this as well as ancillary meanings. The original author's only fault lies in that he did not link it to the Wikipedia article (which will be done shortly). Just for reference, following are several links (picked at random from Google) which one might reasonably refer to for further information as regards window design and placement in solar home building. JimScott 04:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

* Passive solar building design

* Passive Solar Design thoughts from the DoE

* Passive Solar Building Design Guidelines as proposed to City of Santa Barbara in December 2006

* Passive Solar Building Design worksheet provided by the Queensland Sustainable Energy Industry Development Group in 2004

* Solar Building Design article in Backwoods Home Magazine written by Steven Heckeroth

Judaism and windows

References supporting the practice of gazing out of a window while reciting a Torah portion in any Jewish community would be appreciated. Furthermore, there are some significant errors in the use of Hebrew - "aruchat boker" translates to "morning meal" (= "breakfast"), and not "morning prayer" (usually "shacharit"). The Hebrew writing that supposedly spells "aruchat boker" actually reads "shulchan aruch" (= a set of codified Jewish laws). Neither, to my knowledge, has anything specific to do with Bar Mitzvah rituals involving windows. Correction to the Hebrew and references in evidence of the practice described would be useful.

This whole section should be deleted. There is no special connection between Judaism and windows. Even if there was some esoteric Karaite custom of this sort 100 years ago, devoting a whole paragraph to it here is ridiculous. If there is a page on Wikipedia about Karaite Jews, maybe it would make more sense there.

Gilabrand 13:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Evidently this content was restored (by August 14, 2009). It was deleted as inappropriate to the tenor of the article, which is about windows (secular) not religious customs (involving windows). Note that there is no religious content whatever in the section on stained glass (which of course could generate paragraphs on Christian cathedrals alone); ditto the section on clerestorys (which are by nature windows in churches). Let's not allow this to spiral into an edit war, please. Wikiuser100 (talk) 10:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Image

The first image should be the most representative of a generic window, not a highly specialized artistic one. — Omegatron 18:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This discussion should include a diagram depicting the various components of a window such as pane, sash, mullion, transom, muntin, etc.

Also, the caption of the sixth image from the top incorrectly states that the viewing window at the Monterey Bay Aquarium is the largest. According to the Monterey Bay Aquarium website, http://www.mbayaq.org/aa/aa_history/aa_faq.aspx, it measures 17 feet (5.2 meters) high and 56 feet (17 meters) wide making it the largest at the time it was built. The Georgia Aquarium, currently the largest aquarium in the world, has the second largest viewing window. According to their website, http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/exploreTheAquarium/oceanVoyager.aspx, it measures 23 feet (7 meters) tall by 61 feet (18.6 meters) wide, making it nearly 50% larger than the one at Monterey Bay. The largest, however, is a full 42% larger than the one at the Georgia Aquarium and more than twice the size of the one at Monterey Bay. It is located at the Okinawa Churaumi Aquarium in Japan and is an amazing 26.9 feet (8.2 meters) high by 73.8 feet (22.5) meters wide (http://www.kaiyouhaku.com/en/info/detail.html).69.15.3.26 15:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Ashley Mims

Question on Shi'ite custom

I have reverted a recent edit whereing user 130.209.6.40 challenges an assertion in the article. I reproduce that reverted edit here, so that is may be discussed on this talk page rather than the main article:

It is common for many Shi’ite families, particularly in Iran, to gather at a window and recite the prayer of As-sallamu (Arabic:علي بن أﺑﻲ طالب Farsi:علی پسر ابو طالب). This is in reverence to the Imam Ali who was stood at a window before receiving a mortal head wound on the 19th of Ramadan 661.

This information is false and innacurate! - It should be either deleted or verified!

I take no position; I simply am moving the question here. But perhaps the editor who added this information could provide more detail from the cited source or make any corrections or clarifications needed. Kablammo 16:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have quoted the source word for word, and unfortunately I can't really expand on it any further.Hamilton Fry 18:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This whole section should be deleted. There is no special connection between Judaism and windows. Even if there was some esoteric Karaite custom of this sort 100 years ago, devoting a whole paragraph to it here is ridiculous. If there is a page on Wi.kipedia about Karaite Jews, maybe it would make more sense there. (Gilabrand 13:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

Window materials

Please make understanding easier... explain what glazing is more clearly, i couldn't understand it (not even reading it 4 times) so upgrade that please... Luis Camuñas 05:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

History of windows - when did the first glazed windows appear?

The article is vague. There should be some sort of detail. When did people start living in homes with glass windows? This question needs answering Gregpalmerx 10:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

External links

External links on Wikipedia is always a touchy subject, so this discussion page is a good place to talk about what links merit inclusion. My personal opinion is that this section is not about footnoting. It is meant as a link to other views on a subject, suplementary info, and perhaps some clear instruction on how to do something. With this criteria in mind, I would like to submit a website I created, a Window How To Manual, as a good candidate for inclusion as an external link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.53.82 (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Power Windows

Why is there no mention of electrical powered windows?. You know, like electrical doors and electrical window shutters. They open and close with the help of a motor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.142.244 (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Window profile?

There appears to be a decorative window part called a "window profile" often found as "PVC window profile." This appears not be a profile, but some sort of component, probably the frame. Two references: [[1]], [[2]]. This term seems to be used outside of English speaking countries, but may be a trend worth noting. Wakablogger2 (talk) 03:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Shaped window photo (heptagonal)

I just spotted File:Yuyuan ventana heptagonal.JPG. It may be of some interest for use in this article. --Trevj (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Related Links with Commercial Interest

Many commercial providers of windows and window installation services have offered in-depth description on the types of windows, the installation methods, etc... recently these links were removed and called spam Old_Moonraker (talk) I can understand his interest at jumping at every link connected to a website that makes money, but I wholeheartedly disagree that these links are spam. Windows are created and sold mostly from the manufacturers or through retail outlets. It is highly unlikely that someone would use this Article to create their own window. Therefore the article by its mere existence suggest commercial intent. If those manufacturers and sellers wish to place online informative pieces about the different types and installation methods for windows then we should link to those resources as additional. What are your thoughts?

by Etownunder (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

To keep this discussion all in one place, this from my talk page:

I noted you removed the link I added as well as others tied to commercial interest. While none of the pages in particular were commercial in intent. I completely disagree with your removal and claim that these were spam as the links, IMO all came from authoritative commercial dealers and manufacturers of different types of windows and since windows are purchased these services would benefit the end consumer of knowledge about them or the actual product as both pages offered more in-depth and rounded information on the types of windows available to consumers. I do however, agree with the fair treatment of removal of all of them, but I believe the issue deserves more discussion. Please join me on the Talk page to debate the merit of adding such links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.237.122 (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

"tied to commercial interest": exactly. Second opinion available here.

--Old Moonraker (talk) 16:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Wikipedia even suggest linking to commercial interest websites such as YouTube, Twitter, etc.. where relevant. I think a window manufacturer or installer of high note providing worthwhile information is in the same vein. This industry is driven by these entities and its difficult to find that information elsewhere. The dilapidated state of the pages citations shows this. I'll continue looking for more authoritative sources, however, in this industry vertical, like in a few others, you'll find the manufacturers informational pages to be far more authoritative than some general generic junk on an industry website, or on an outdated education page. I think this can best be proven by looking at the links you left up, two of which have commercial intent. One is a manufacturer of Box Sash windows, the other a seller of Chinese made wrought iron. The others are a museum page on glass from rome (but not specifically windows) and an industry organization. The pages you removed had far more in-depth information on the types of windows available to consumers and matched the commercial intent of the two you left up. I contest that the removal was hastily done, although with the best intent, and that in this vertical it will be near impossible to get quality information that isn't provided by the industry itself. Etownunder (talk) 22:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I examined the other two and found that, unlike the others, they actually contain "in depth information", rather than commercial content. As reliable sources they probably fail, but there seemed to be room for flexibility to keep them in. Please delete those as well if you don't agree. --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I looked over the link I added and the one from Anderson Windows. I also looked at the two links you removed with energy conservation intent. I don't see any difference between any of the links as each and every one has ads or is hosted by a website that sells windows in some fashion. Each and every link except the museum one, which is less correlated to the topic at hand than the rest. No, I am not removing more links, because I feel they all provided value to a user looking for information. Since "window" is not a narrowly defined topic, the related links, as well should show that diversity. Etownunder (talk) 15:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)