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Gone Winchester[edit]

The problem is, I don't see your beef. I'm getting the same header both ways. If you're not, IDK why not. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 16:57, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

You shouldn't be. The original link takes the reader to the general Winchester rifles page; the revised link takes them directly to the section on that gun, which is what is being discussed in the Henry rifle page, and of course is what is most directly relevant. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
My error. I see you've adopted the revised syntax, merely eliminated the underlines, a preferable form. Issue resolved. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 17:02, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry 'bout that. I couldn't see what you were objecting too--& I honestly blew the 1st rv by not noticing the double. "#". :( Good to know it's not going to bring out the rv knives. ;p TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 18:43, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Heaven help us! Do you know, is there a BOT that eliminates underlines in syntax? Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Captions require periods at ends of full sentences[edit]

If captions are full sentences, they require periods at the end of those sentences. — Cirt (talk) 18:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you please show me where that is stated in the MOS as I've seen it universally the opposite way, hence my good faith edits to that effect. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I know of nowhere where it's appropriate to have a full sentence without a period at the end of it. — Cirt (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Please show me that in the MOS, as it is the Wikipedia caption standard that that single sentence captions do not. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I really don't think we should have full sentences without punctuation like that. IFF the captions were only sentence fragments, that'd be okay. But not in this case. — Cirt (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
"Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely sentence fragments that should not end with a period. If any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then all sentences, and any sentence fragments, in that caption should end with a period." Please don't do this again. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
This has not been my understanding, as I have see the absence of a period ubiquitously in articles. This clears it up. Thank you. Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. — Cirt (talk) 18:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Please, engage in talk page discussion[edit]

Please, engage in talk page discussion at Talk:Think of the children, rather than re-doing your edits.

Thank you,

Cirt (talk) 18:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

What do you want me to say besides the original is sloppy and poorly written and it has been tightened up? If you have constructive suggestions for the revision, please make them rather than continuing to revert a good faith effort to improve the lede. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
My apology: I see we're are only talking about the Simpsons lede paragraph. We'll see what can be worked out. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I've started several specific talk page sections to address your changes, which have unfortunately severely degraded the writing quality of the article. Please, I beg of you, engage in discussion on the talk page. You've repeatedly now added sentence fragments, incomplete sentences, sentences without verbs, and even removed references outright. Please, talk on the talk page before further degrading the article quality further, I ask you, please. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Please show me at the Talk page what and where your complaints are. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I've added several new sections to the talk page with subsection headers indicating as such. — Cirt (talk) 18:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Please, understand I do indeed think many of your edits are positive and constructive and most helpful. It'd just be most appreciated if we could discuss a few issues with some of them, at the article's talk page. — Cirt (talk) 18:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

re Think of the children as meme[edit]

BTW, there's no question "Think of the children" is a meme (which include catch-phrases according to its Wikipedia page). I was surprised not to find a ready example of it regarded as such in citable form after you flagged it. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 21:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with you -- but let's not add stuff we personally believe or think, per WP:No Original Research. Instead, can you find an example of this being referred to as a "meme" in secondary sources that satisfy WP:RS and WP:V ? IFF so, I'd be most happy to add it to the article! Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I tried (using a variety of Google search parameters). Nothing but glurge sites mentioning it, usually as a flytrap to try to lure one there to create an ORIG entry at theirs.
I get the OR thing, obviously. I wouldn't have been challenging you to provide MOS corroboration for your insistences if I wasn't Wikipedia savvy on opinions versus policies and citable sources. The fact that "Think about the children" is a clearly a catch-phrase (that's what the whole Wikipedia page is about, and how its bandied as one), and catch-phrases are listed as potentially memes at the Wikipedia Meme page struck me as sufficient at the time.
Obviously every popular phrase isn't a meme, and common use doesn't make one so. A bus driver saying "Step to the back of the bus" is not a meme. However, if (hypothetically) in the American civil rights era the command became adopted by Blacks as a widespread form of dissent (complying or not) against segregationalist treatment, then it would (properly accepted the meme gatekeepers or merely mentioned authoritatively in the London or NY Times) be. That's why with all the memeophiles out there I was surprised not to readily find an appropriate mention to cite. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that I agree with you that yes, it is a meme. However, I'd rather find a secondary source that says this. — Cirt (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Likewise, but I'm done with it. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Done with what? — Cirt (talk) 02:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Looking for an appropriate citation. I skimmed through the better part of ten pages of Google returns (that started sketchy, with rapidly diminishing returns) twice w/o anything that looked promising. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 13:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah okay sounds good. Perhaps if I have time I'll try to look through some archival news and research databases for "meme" and "think of the children". — Cirt (talk) 17:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
That would be great. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 17:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

re Mr. Terse[edit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you the Mr. (or Mrs.) Terse at the Think about the children page? While we were hammering out a compromise on the Simpsons thing I surveyed the page to see how tightly whomever was holding it to short sentences was doing. It had more short and fewer long than any page I can recall reading at Wikipedia (where all too often, even in feature articles, one can find them approaching the Magna Carta in length). Oh, please leave the discussion here: I'll know where to find it. Thanks. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 21:40, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I wrote most of the present version of the article, along with help from Peteforsyth. I've found through my experience at WP:FAC and successfully getting multiple articles to Featured Article quality, that longer sentences, with lots of commas -- or hyphens and m-dashes, or just lots of commas, generally speaking, get eaten alive at Featured Article candidacy discussions, and, what ends up happening, is that, those long sentences, get broken apart by copy editors, or, the article fails at FAC. Also, let's please keep discussions about the article, at the article talk page, itself, please, thank you. — Cirt (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
First, my comments are a compliment. Second, I did not feel they were appropriate for the Talk page as written. Third, how did we end up back here? Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 02:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Wait, I'm confused, which part was the compliments? — Cirt (talk) 02:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
It was written in the spirit of "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter," attributed to Pascal, and "A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts," from Strunk's brevity-impelling The Elements of Style. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, why then, quite lovely, thank you very much, Wikiuser100, for the most kind words! Most appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk)

You may also enjoy[edit]

You may also enjoy reading through this article: The terrorists have won.

It's quite interesting to find various uses of that phrase, over time.

Cirt (talk) 23:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Yikes! I'm all catch-phrased out. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 02:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much[edit]

Thanks ever so much for The Copyeditor's Barnstar for my quality improvement efforts to the article, Think of the children.

Most appreciated !!!

Thanks again,

Cirt (talk) 20:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of IBM Research – Ireland[edit]

FunkyCanute (talk) 14:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Response made at Talk page; substantial edits made since buttressing a previously existing article (at Wikipedia since October 2012) simply relocated to the above new page to reflect a change in the Lab's name by IBM. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Backpacking (wilderness)[edit]

Wikiuser100, you are making a great effort in trying to tighten this article. Hope my edits/comments haven't been too ungracious. Rwood128 (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.
No, not at all.
Busy shaping up relocated "Backpacking with animals" into its own new article.
I thought that was a better idea than trying to work it into the opening sentence of the lede.  ;)
"Backpacking is the recreational activity of carrying one's gear on their back while electing not to use an animal for it." Hey, there's a start....
Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

That was a good idea. Rwood128 (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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Jägermeister[edit]

Please stop! You are doing the move all wrong!

By copying the content of Jägermeister to Jägermeister (drink) and then changing the original to a new article you have caused two problems:

  1. The history of the drink article is now in the wrong place
  2. The several hundred places that link to the original article now link to the wrong thing

I am going to attempt to revert this as much as I can, but will likely need to call upon admin assistance so it won't be done in one fell swoop. RichardOSmith (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted your changes to Jägermeister and requested the deletion of the copy at Jägermeister (drink) (which has no links to it other than this one). The correct way to move a page is not to copy and paste as you did but to use the "Move" tab at the top of the page. In this case, however, I don't think that would have been the correct thing to do either - anyone looking for Jägermeister is almost certainly going to be looking for an article on the drink and not a German to English translation of the term. Certainly, anyone following existing links from other pages to Jägermeister would have been surprised by the dictionary page. Your article, should you wish to create it elsewhere, is still in the history of Jägermeister here. I do not believe it stands as an independent article as it was little more than a dictionary entry. RichardOSmith (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Richard is right here, and I've deleted the other page you created. If you want a page to be moved to a new title then you have to use the move tool rather than copying and pasting the content. Copying and pasting creates legal issues - Wikipedia's licence requires content to be attributed to the author, and copying the content prevents this by destroying the edit history. This applies even if you want to do something else with the original title of the page. Hut 8.5 21:42, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Which page did you delete? The page on the hunting master? On what grounds? It is a legitimate page, with citations, acknowledged (but not yet categorized) as a stub. All it needed was to be retitled to conform with the consensus at Jägermeister Talk. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The page that was deleted was Jägermeister (drink) which was the copy you made of Jägermeister before changing it to the hunting master page. Although your changes to Jägermeister have been reverted, the text of the hunting master page still exists in the page history even though it is no longer a page in its own right. If you want to recreate it in a new article you could do the following: go through the history of Jägermeister to the content you wrote (direct link), select "edit", copy the markup and abandon the edit, then paste the text into a new article. This would be a valid use of copy and paste. RichardOSmith (talk) 14:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. This has certainly been a whole lot of hullabaloo over a bit of confusion over how to use Move (which I've successfully used many times), where somehow I got the misimpression if I moved Jägermeister to Jägermeister (drink) I'd get locked out of using the Jägermeister page for the subject of the term (the hunting master). The combined route of a move, disambiguation page, and page referencing hatnotes on each resulting page did not congeal, and once the reverts started it was too late to stop the momentum. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

It appears that part (probably the root) of the problem is that Jägermeister can only be moved admins (which I've only just realised): it's been protected as you can see here and to have it moved you'd need to request it at WP:RM. Were it not for that I suspect your attempt to move the page would have been technically straightforward - a redirect would have been left behind and you would be able to change that redirect to your new article. Speculating a little, I believe you are correct in the point you made on the article talk page about a bot fixing up the links (in the case of a move rather than a copy and paste recreation of the page) - I'd guess, though, that that would only work if the redirect was left in place until the bot had finished its work (hopefully someone will confirm). I still believe that moving this particular page would be the wrong thing to do; I don't know if you are yet persuaded, but my earlier suggestion for retrieving your new article assumed you'd leave Jägermeister where it is and create the new content somewhere else. Wherever you recreate it, you might want to add a link to it at Master of the hunt as well. RichardOSmith (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)