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Cora Cross

Hi everyone. Finished my draft on the frog-lips lady, er, I mean Cora. It's located here. Average article with all the real-world ifo I could find but can be expanded when more becomes available. What does everyone think? GSorby – Ping 21:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

To me it looks good. And just for the record, I'm working on my new favourite character, Ray Dixon, here. But it's nowhere near ready just yet. –anemoneprojectors– 13:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

It's missing the fabulous bit of reception info I added to her list entry... - JuneGloom Talk 13:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Again, like AP, Ive got quite far with Whitney's Story here. What does everyone think??!? MayhemMario 20:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wow that's pretty impressive! May need checking for grammar and punctuation? –anemoneprojectors– 13:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

There's an awful lot of tables, could some of the info be turned into prose? - JuneGloom Talk 15:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thorough work Mario, good job! Related to June's comment, I think the long table of ratings might be a bit excessive, as there was a lot going on beside's Whitney's storyline in most of those eps - perhaps you could pick out the highlights, such as Whitney's escape, Rob's death etc and summarise the ratings for those in prose? Cora looks very solid too, and Ray is shaping up well! Frickative 15:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I also think the tables are excessive because it took the background for some episodes it ran through. There are only a few entries in ther EE Revealed ratings table. Did any other sources other than Digital Spy cover the storyline? It is used a lot through out.Rain the 1 15:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree about the tables. Was going to say that yesterday but ran out of time :-) –anemoneprojectors– 14:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Whoops! Forgot about this, I did also think the amount of tables was rather striking, so im going to keep:

• Where the DS's article is named as part of the storyline, i.e. Whitney escpaes Rob's clutches.
• If the storyline was mentioned in the ratings.
• Or if the doof doof ended with the storyline. :) MayhemMario 12:35, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

List of EastEnders cast members

As many of you may probably already be aware of, my grammar sucks. Also, I've been working on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders cast members for a very very long time, and have just this week updated it with all the stuff I'd missed since I last updated it in May 2011. I never wanted to move it to the mainspace until it was fully referenced, but I don't think I can wait that long, and it's something that can be done over time, like the list of soap opera villains was. So what do you all think? Is it worth putting in the mainspace now? I've only included actors that I felt made a significant contribution to the series, although Frank Barrie as Edward Bishop is there... so if there are names you feel are missing or shouldn't be listed, feel free to discuss. Also, if I've missed any characters off or made any mistakes, please let me know, especially in relation to changes over the past few months. Also, is the lead good enough? Thanks! –anemoneprojectors– 14:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd support splitting it, the rest of the sources can be added over time. I think the lead could be changed, it seems a bit selective such as picking Linda Henry and Diane Parish out when they aren't more notable than other actors who have portrayed several parts unless you said several actors have portrayed regulars and other minor parts with notable examples being Parish and Henry. D4nnyw14 (talk) 16:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Those were just two I could think of off the top of my head, I think. Actually, I was hoping to expand the lead so it would be eligible for DYK, before moving it into the mainspace! –anemoneprojectors– 13:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Oi everyone, more comments/help please! :-) –anemoneprojectors– 15:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

External links

Someone's removed all the external links that were dead, some got reverted by GSorby but Frickative replaced one with an archive. Are they all in archives? If so, any one got time to do them all? I'm reverting the rest of the removals now. –anemoneprojectors– 13:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Im really sorry but im am extremely busy at the moment, with Poppy's FA, Body of Proof articles, The Voice. MayhemMario 17:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll do it tomorrow, if I remember. Perhaps someone can leave me a message tomorrow afternoon to do it? GSorby – Ping 22:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for File:Reg Cox.jpg

I have asked for a deletion review of File:Reg Cox.jpg. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. George Ho (talk) 03:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Am I alone in wondering what the point is to all of these escapades to return deleted media to the project? Give it a month and WP:EE will have a reputation of being the non-free image hotspot.Rain the 1 03:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Where did that come from? That image got deleted years ago...GSorby – Ping 09:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Asif - the two images have been restored without discussion. Two images to illustrate one section in a list seems a bit much to me.Rain the 1 12:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

What the hell? Why were these images restored? Where's the discussion? Who did it?!!? –anemoneprojectors– 14:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. George Ho requested their undeletion. Totally unnecessary! –anemoneprojectors– 14:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

File:Reg cox civvy.JPG being the other image. –anemoneprojectors– 14:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The fact is, they may not be replaceable, but they're not necessary. We don't need to know what they look like. There's no critical commentary on the character's appearance. –anemoneprojectors– 14:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Guys this is getting blown WAY out of proportion! I'm talking about the addition of this How does this aid the reader?! Enlighten me! George Ho, you are making a complete mess of things! GSorby – Ping 22:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Seeings as he added them to the list - our opinion must not count.Rain the 1 23:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Personally, and maybe only I see it this way, but I think it is good to have pictures of characters in place, notable or not, if the pictures are obtainable. Dontforgetthisone (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Not all images will qualify for WP:NFCC#8. In fact nearly none of them do. GSorby – Ping 08:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The fact is, the image was deleted because it was orphaned because it didn't satisfy WP:NFCC#8, and it still doesn't, and should not have gone to deletion review. –anemoneprojectors– 13:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Merging two images of Mark Fowler into one?

File:Mark Fowler.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

File:Mark Fowler (David Scarboro).jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have found an image from this source that would truly represent Mark Fowler: http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article170582.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/mark-fowler-played-by-david-scarboro-andtodd-carty-186146261.jpg

If the above image won't do, what about merging two existing images into one, just as an infobox image in Ben Mitchell (EastEnders)?

I have created File:David Scarboro Mark Fowler EastEnders BBC.jpg intended for David Scarboro article. I removed the other image from that article because the rationale for it wasn't there. --George Ho (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

We didn't merge the images, they were merged here. The good thing about that is that the two Bens were compared for the way they look, which is why it was a good idea to do this kind of thing. With Mark, I don't see the problem with two separate images, or using that one you linked to. Either seems fine to me. Perhaps we could do this for more characters, like Lauren Branning, Sam Mitchell or Lucy Beale. –anemoneprojectors– 12:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm..... Gungadin wouldn't mind, as long as I provide strong rationale. I guess, you approve, as well. I'm waiting for GSorby's opinions, as he did both of them. Look at file logs. --George Ho (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Gungadin uploaded both files originally, GSorby just reduced them in size. The old revisions have been deleted. –anemoneprojectors– 13:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Still, he is also one of contributors. Also, I have conflicts with GSorby, especially whenever I tried to replace images in Pauline Fowler and Nick Cotton. I have standards, lots of them: I do not copy and paste non-free rationales into image pages just because they are easy to do; I write them instead. Moreover, look at his attitude toward me, especially in Gungadin's talk page and Talk:EastEnders. Even when I substantially edit a same image page... I don't know.

By the way, I read your thoughts about the way I treat images. You said: I am "certainly wrong to want these images just so [I] can identify the characters in [my] head". I treat images of actors as actors; well, I do. However, you may have good points: I should be cautious about using images for a purpose, and I must provide a strong purpose. For example, I must find an image that truly represents generally a character. Or I might have implied incorrectly. --George Ho (talk) 13:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

The point of images is that they should enhance readers' understanding of the subject, and in general, you don't necessarily need to know what a character looks like to understand what they are about. I guess it can help, but wanting to have an image just so you can remember the character isn't what we have images for. This is why having critical commentary on some aspect of the character's appearance is always very helpful for strengthening non-free image rationales, as if someone has talked about what the character looks like, then it's always good to know what that person is talking about by being able to see them. But to understand that Ronnie Branning swapped a baby, for example, doesn't need a picture of Ronnie. –anemoneprojectors– 13:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Splitting off Ray Dixon?

Does anyone think it's time to split Ray Dixon? See my draft User:AnemoneProjectors/Ray Dixon. 15 of the refs are non-storyline refs. –anemoneprojectors– 13:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Decent content and very good real-world info. Go for it. GSorby – Ping 13:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes I would agree it would be good with a separate article. Dontforgetthisone (talk) 15:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I will get around to it soon, as it's been a while now and nobody has objected. –anemoneprojectors– 12:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that he is notable enough to have his own page though. He hasn't done much 81.20.179.232 (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Re-introducing Sharon

I'm wary to edit this as I don't know what the guidelines (if any exist) are, so here I am. Surely the infobox Sharon Watts should read that she is being introduced in 2012 by Bryan Kirkwood, not Lorraine Newman? Sure, it looks like Newan will be the show-runner when the character returns but the return was announced under Kirkwood before he quit the role, and sources directly mention that it is him who has been working on getting Letitia Dean back for "quite some time". Indeed, the article's lead directly states that it is Kirkwood who is re-introducing Sharon. So is there any problem with changing the infobox? U-Mos (talk) 15:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

No, you are right, feel free to change.GunGagdin^Moan 15:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

It depends who is credited as Exec in her return episode. –anemoneprojectors– 13:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I dont agree, Bryan signed her, so he reintriduced her, the new exec may just be overseeing the return, but they werent responsible for signing the contract.GunGagdin^Moan 15:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Gungagdin. Bryan signed her back up - so he is responible for reintroducing her.Rain the 1 15:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I thought we always said the introducer was the person who executively produced their first episode. That's how many of the older ones may have been assumed. –anemoneprojectors– 13:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with Gungadin, Sharon's return was announced before Kirkwood got sacked, so therefore, he should be the introducer. George^Ping! 14:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I still agree, and Newman is only "acting" EP anyway. But.... Kirkwood got SACKED?! –anemoneprojectors– 14:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Episode numbers

Can anyone help with this? I'm trying to find a site that lists the episodes along with their airdates and episode numbers (for example, last night's was #4419). We used to use Holy Soap, but that's now gone and the Wayback Machine has nothing before about August 2010. Tvtv.co.uk would be good but as soon as the episode has aired, the page for the episode vanishes and the site is not possible to archive. Radio Times has a good guide, but after the episode has aired, the episode date disappears. Also, it doesn't include the broadcast year. I can archive Radio Times pages, but I'd like to find a list that has all the dates and all the numbers, like Holy Soap had. Can anyone help? Otherwise I'll carry on archiving Radio Times pages! It's for this: User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2012) (and other years, see User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes). –anemoneprojectors– 12:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Tiffany Dean/Butcher

Hey everyone, hope you've all been okay. Recently, someone started a discussion at Talk:Tiffany Dean about moving the page to reflect her current name. I agree with this as she is more widely known as Butcher and I don't remember calling her Dean anymore! Ideas? George^Ping! 07:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Normally Frickative would compare Google News results for this kind of thing, and Tiffany Dean is still beating Tiffany Butcher... but I do feel it's probably time to move her myself. –anemoneprojectors– 13:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't even remember her being called Dean. She is much more known as Butcher 81.20.179.232 (talk) 08:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Jase Dyer

Can people please keep an eye on this article. An anon person has filled it with real-world information, but first it was all unsourced, then they have been adding unreliable sources and forums, now their own opinions, removing my tags without addressing issues, and the writing is really poor. If anyone has time to check it all out, make sure that all quotes are sourced and all sources match up, and that nothing is personal opinion, please help. –anemoneprojectors– 13:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a go at cleaning it up. - JuneGloom Talk 16:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I've made a start by changing the tenses in the storylines section, rewriting and sourcing the casting, characterisation and Roxy sections and adding some reception info. Though I was hindered a little by the IP, who kept removing the maintenance templates and then blanking sections of the article. - JuneGloom Talk 20:14, 14 May 2012 (UTC)