Talk:List of EastEnders characters

Amy Mitchell baby/ies

We have two children down for playing Amy Mitchell, but in a recent All About Soap interview, Rita Simons praised the child who plays Amy. So can we assume that only one child plays Amy, and that child is unknown, and Natalia and Kamil Lipka-Kozanka are past "actors", and have been since Amy became a toddler, featuring more often? –anemoneprojectors– 16:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Wakey wakey! Looking for thoughts and answers here :-) –anemoneprojectors– 15:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Obviousy she is just played by one actor now, but who? It could be one of the twins, but we cant be sure. MayhemMario 16:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

It could be one of the twins, but who knows. It seems wrong to say she's currently played by them both when it's clear that she's not. –anemoneprojectors– 16:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, I dont know whether we should delete the twins, as one of them may still be portraying her, so what should we do? ! MayhemMario 16:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I say put the twins names in the past, an then utuncredited for present. As that is exactly what we know - Amy was played by these twins but now its an uncredited actress who may or may not be one of the twins). Bleaney (talk) 00:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with that. –anemoneprojectors– 12:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Lorraine Salter/Stevens

Lorraine Who??

I saw in Inside Soap that Lorraine had a different last name... was this an error? She's defintely Salter in the credits... –anemoneprojectors– 15:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

She's listed as Lorraine Stevens, as she is in one of DS's articles too, mayeb she got married, only time will tell.... MayhemMario 16:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Seems odd though that she's credited as Salter but listed as Stevens in other places. Maybe we'll find out. –anemoneprojectors– 16:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Lorraine Salter Surname

This is a bit of a pain. On the end credits of tonight's episode of EastEnders, they named Lorraine as "Lorraine Stevens" and on the episode's summary page, it credits Lorraine as Salter. Any ideas on what to do here? GSorby – Ping 20:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes they publish the credits differently on purpose, maybe it was so we didn't twig who "L Stevens" was. –anemoneprojectors– 13:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

She's Stevens in later credits now [1] –anemoneprojectors– 13:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The question now is - do we change it as her "common name" or not? –anemoneprojectors– 13:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

So what are we going to do? I've now created Lorraine Stevens as a redirect, by the way. –anemoneprojectors– 13:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Are we going to keep Salter as her common name or what?! –anemoneprojectors– 14:37, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I say Stevens on this one! GSorby – Ping 14:38, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I think so too. How many episodes did she do in the 90s anyway? –anemoneprojectors– 14:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know the exact episode count, though I do remember her first incarnation! In total she appeared for 2 brief periods of a couple or three episodes in the 90s which is very similar to what she is slated to do this time round (she has already made 1 brief appearance and is due for another). With this in mind i'd be inclined to leave her as Salter at least until she makes her next appearance. Even after that in terms of screen time they will be pretty even... I guess i'm coming down on the side of leave it Salter. Bleaney (talk) 20:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Lorraine has appeared in 2 episodes in the 1990s. Linda Henry appeared as the character on 28 November 1991 and 17 March 1992. Alcock has appeared as Lorraine for five episodes so far, appearing on 1, 2, 5, 6 and 9 March 2012. In total, the character has only appeared in 7 episodes overall. GSorby – Ping 21:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Memory is getting hazy! In that case, maybe Stevens would be better. Bleaney (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I think we should change her "common name" to Stevens. –anemoneprojectors– 13:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sasha Dixion

IS she Appering again if not add to the past Characters because at the moment she is nowhere at the moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butler97 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

At the moment she is not. That is why, about a month ago, moved her to the past list. MayhemMario 16:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

She is nowhere at the moment not in past or present just thought you would like to know

She was only in one episode, we tend not to list one episode characters in the past characters list. –anemoneprojectors– 16:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 March 2012

Heather Trott

217.43.209.204 (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC) Heather Trott

Heather has been removed from the list. I assume that was what you were requesting? - JuneGloom Talk 22:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Recurring cast clearout

Should the likes of Jimmie Broome, Sophie, Bev Gregory and Ali still be listed as recurring? Im not sure that the likes of Jimmie, Sophie and Bev Gregory have appeared enough times to earn a recurring label, despite the fact it is perfectly possible that they will appear again. In the case of Ali, I doubt Tamwar and Afia will be hiring him again! Bleaney (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep Jimmie, remove Sophie, Ali and Bev. MayhemMario 16:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

And your reasons are???? 21:22, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep them all. If Maria Da Costa can come back, so can anyone else. Keep to what we previously agreed (leave them for a year), right? –anemoneprojectors– 13:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Well that is a lazy idea IMO. Waiting for something that may not happen - a year. Just do a little searching, find out what the actor is doing.Rain the 1 13:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes the year rule still applies (Sal Martin is coming up to it) But it is rediculous to suggest that we keep every single character who has made more than one appearance for an entire year! Bleaney (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

ok, let's look at them individually. Jimmie is a colleague of Ritchie Scott, though his most recent storyline (about Roxy/Amy) is over. I think we should leave him in. Sophie is still Whitney's boss, so I feel she should stay and the rule should apply to her. Bev can probably go as that storyline is over. Ali I'm not sure about as he might still work at the restaurant, though it does seem unlikely after the incident! So he could be removed as well. –anemoneprojectors– 14:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes I agree, at the very least Bev and Ali should go now!! Bleaney (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The imminent departure of Aunt Sal...

It's coming up to a year (4 April) since we last saw 'Aunt' Sal Martin appear on EastEnders. As per previous discussions on here, and the hatnote at the top of the Recurring and guest characters section, Recurring characters should be removed from this list if the have not appeared in the last year, so... she is due for the chop in a few days time, and I plan to do this if noone else has. I thought it was worth mentioning as this is really the first time that the 1 year rule will come into force (and I know that many people may question why Aunt Sal has suddenly dissappeared from this list).

But before I move Aunt Sal to the past (in a few days time of course!) I just want to check she is not credited to appear in any forthcoming episodes. How do I check that by the way people?? And will anymore future episode details be released between now and Wednesday (4 April)? Are forthcoming episode details released by the BBC on a certain day? Anyone got any ideas?? Bleaney (talk) 13:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Sal is not due to appear in any upcoming episodes. GSorby – Ping 16:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks GSorby, will we get anymore details for upcoming episodes between now and wednesday? Bleaney (talk) 21:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The most future episode we have details for is 10 April. Tomorrow we'll have 11 April. On Thursday we'll have 13 April. Etc, etc. We used to have another week from tvtv.co.uk but that site isn't as up to date as it used to be. –anemoneprojectors– 13:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The great Sal has sadly been removed from this list. I can only hope she appears again and can be re-added to this list. Bleaney (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Whitney leaving?

I've removed Whitney from the leaving list as the source says "Bianca will depart on April 27 when she has an explosive row with Carol, who takes her grandchildren away from Bianca to live with her in the countryside" and "Palmer, [...] will leave [...] to spend more time with her four children". My feeling is that Carol will be able to take Liam, Tiffany and Morgan but possibly not Whitney, who is now an adult, and the four children refers to Palmer's, not Bianca's. –anemoneprojectors– 12:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Previous actor(s) field?

Naming previous actors who have played a character is very useful, but the field looks rather bare with only a few characters, namely child characters, only having more than one actor play them. Would it not be more useful to have the previous actors mentioned in the 'Actor' field and maybe use the third column for durations? The durations could be useful in showing how long a previous actor played the role without having to go to check all the articles. I have made a list on my sandbox if anyone wants to have a look.[2] Oh and I am new so don't attack me for making a suggestion. Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 20:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

That could actually work. I know we've rejected the addition of durations in the past, but why not? This could do with more debate really. –anemoneprojectors– 12:55, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, apparently GSorby liked that format too - [3]. The only problem I have is the duration is supposed to be the character's and that seems like it lists the actor's durations instead. - JuneGloom Talk 14:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

True, it might be better to go with the character duration, but then would we know which actors are present and which are not? –anemoneprojectors– 14:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I like it, I always say that durations look untidy on a list of characters but this one is quite nice. I made a few alterations to it so it's more consistent and takes up a bit more whitespace. And AP, just check the actor at the bottom (chronologically)? George^Ping! 15:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello everyone, thanks for keeping my proposal in mind, I know the durations should be for the characters, but the reason I added the actors durations instead was a way of keeping the previous actors on the list, yet still maintaining the actors credit, like for example, Lucy Beale has been played by Bywater only since 2012, yet the character duration of 1993-2010, 2012 might seem misleading. More debate on adding the duration page, whilst still keeping the page tidy, would really help. Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The list would definetly improve with this field added, the 'previous actors' field is a bit bare looking with only a handful of characters recast, also like the idea of the actor durations, as it makes it less vague as to who played the longest. Reli source (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like were getting somewhere with this idea! I am glad! I've made my own draft here and as you can see, I've made some alterations and resized columns and whatnot so it looks quite tidy. People are liking this idea then? Well done Livin'InAGhostTown, very good! George^Ping! 22:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks GSorby, not bad for my first time on here. I think your alteration works well. Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 22:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

GSorby's list highlights the problem of having the durations referring to the actor. Amy Mitchell no longer has a duration because no one knows when her new actor first appeared. Yet we do know when the character first appeared... - JuneGloom Talk 22:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, but was Amy not always played by the same child? Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 23:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Amy was played by twins but we don't know who plays her now. I think the duration should be only for the character, as this is a list of characters, but it would be ok to combine the past and present actors into one column. I've been working on the list of cast for ages and that has individual cast durations (but only for cast members who appeared notably). –anemoneprojectors– 12:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I think I've solved the problem, though I don't know how aesthetically pleasing it is. Check out the tables here. - JuneGloom Talk 20:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

JuneGloom that list is perfect, the character duration is actually better than the actor duration. Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 23:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me, that's what I wanted to see really. But should we do it for departing, returning, future sections too? What about the past character list in the same format? –anemoneprojectors– 13:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The past character list would look good in the proposed format, I would be happy to help you guys out as the list is a lot longer, the cast changes section is a tricky one, the departing characters will already have their durations on the present character list, but it may work for returning characters as they are taken off the past character list when a return is announced Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 00:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

So is this change going to happen? Reli source (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

(undent) I think it should. –anemoneprojectors– 12:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Would it be worth posting a link on the project's talk page in case others want to comment? - JuneGloom Talk 13:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you want, but I feel that this page has more watchers than that one. We already appear to have a consensus. –anemoneprojectors– 13:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

How are changes like this decided? Is it by a vote? Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey. We do not vote - but we have these type of dicussions and see what the general consensus is.Rain the 1 20:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That's nice and fair I think, the general consensus seems good, am I right? Also I made a proposal for the past character list if anyone wants to review and discuss it. Livin'InAGhostTown (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Mark Jr.

Soaplife magazine are apparently reporting that when Sharon Watts returns she will bring Mark Jr with her (Mark being Michelle Fowlers and Grant Mitchells son). Is this a reliable souce?? And if so should Mark Jr. be added to this list as a future character?? Does anyone actually have access to Soaplife as I actually havent read the article myself?? Bleaney (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I can have a flick through the mag in the shop later today, but Soaplife (and All About Soap) tend to exaggerate and speculate a lot. Why would Sharon bring back Michelle's son? - JuneGloom Talk 14:29, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I went through the mag and didn't see anything about Sharon or Mark Jr. - JuneGloom Talk 18:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I read somewhere that she was bringing her own son Dennis Jr(Her and Dennis's child) surely that would make more sense to bring her own child instead of Michelle's --Anna2123456789 (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Maria de Costa

I think Maria de Costa should be removed from this list and put into the past. Yes I appreciate she has 'recurred' over the years, but like in the case of police officers, there are presumably a number of social workers in Walford, and any one of them could 'take on' the next case in Albert Square, not necessarily Maria. It's not like in the case of Mr Lister where there is only 1 market inspector, or Reverend Stevens who is the local parish vicar. What do people think? Bleaney (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Anyone??? Bleaney (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree, I had no idea who she was until I followed your link. Then when I found out who she was, I had no idea she'd been in it more than once. She's too infrequent anyway.GunGagdin^Moan 01:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Move her on to past. There are no current storylines for her. She may come back, but she may not. –anemoneprojectors– 12:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Bleaney (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Good stuff. Now how about Imam Ali? He's not appeared for almost a year and there's no mention of him in upcoming credits. Shall we move him to past now? –anemoneprojectors– 13:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we should stick to what we agreed an leave it for the whole year. If on the day of his 'year anniversary' he is not credited in any forthcoming episodes he should be removed then. Bleaney (talk) 13:54, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Recurring list - i've been bold!

I have decided to be bold and have cleared quite a few people from the recurring list. here are my reasons -

• Jill Marsden (EastEnders) - Yes she is definately a recurring character, but she is not creditied to appear in any forthcoming episodes, and as the case against Ben has been dropped she is not likely to appear in connection to that. DS Crisp is handling Heather's murder investigation, so she is not connected to that either. She could always appear again, but presumably there are many DCI's in Wa;ford so it could be someone else.

• Lorraine Stevens - No credited forthcoming appearances and all sources indicate that she has completed her 'second stint'. Yes we have a source to say she will die soon, but she doesn't need to appear for this to happen.

• Imam Ali - As per the 1 year rule, he is not credited to appear after the 12th May which is 1 year.

• Jimmie Broome and 'Bev' - I know we have discussed these before, but to be honest I dont think 2 appearances automatically makes someone recurring. Again, with Jimmie, he's a lawyer, and may or may not appear again, its not as likely as say Mr Lister or the Rev. With Bev she has only appeared twice in connection with Whitney's employment at the nursery. She doesn't even have a second name!

• Nico Papadolpoulos - Again, not credited to appear again, and 2 appearances in the space of a week dont qualify someone to be recurring in my book!

Of course, in the case of Bev & Nico they do work on the square, but I think we need to see them a few more times before we leave them to languish on this list for a year! This recurring list is a whole big bit of original research, and it was getting FAR too large. I think we should err on the side of caution before we start classing people as recurring, otherwise this list is liable to get bigger than the present cast section! Of course, please feel free to disagree with me on here if thats what you think! Bleaney (talk) 20:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I will go along with that, though I suspect at least one of them will be back. You have didn't move them all to the past list, so I have now done that. –anemoneprojectors– 13:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Durations?

Should a duration column be added for the amount of time a character has appeared. It would be more convenient than checking the article and other soaps eg Coronation Street have one.