Talk:Jiang Qing

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This article does not even state the charge against Jiang Qing. Shorne 03:42, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Britannica says that she was Mao's third wife; is the current article correct in saying that she was his fourth wife?

Yes! On page 7 Jung Chang quotes Mao (The Unknown Story): 'When I was 14, my parents married me to a girl of 20. But I never lived with her...I do not consider her my wife...' Gather the confusion is of this origin. But indeed it was an actual marriage.

""" "Comment" Jung Chang's book "The Unknown Story" is not a work to rely on, it has been research by a large number of experts in this area and they all agreed on the many faults of the book. She is not a historian. Unfortunately I do not at the moment have the source for this except a leading sinologist telling me this face to face. Will return with facts. """

There are accurate accounts suggesting Mao did have an arranged marriage when he was still working as a farmer. The marriage did not formally take place, but is considered as one that had. [[User:Colipon|Colipon+(T)]] 23:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If it wasn't legally recognized why are we writing "fourth wife" all over her wiki page? It contradicts Mao Zedong's page where it says she was his 3rd wife. Someone needs to fix it because it looks dumb and makes wikipedia look bad. Unless there is undeniable fact showing its his fourth wife she should be called 3rd. If we choose not to do that than change Mao's page too so its not so contradictory. Please, figure this out its really confusing for those of us just passing by and reading it.

此篇文章可能尚存错误。最后一段说道江青在1991年保外就医，在释放后自杀，但是现实说法是江青是在1991年5月14日保外就医的过程中在公寓用毛巾上吊自杀的。The last sentence sais Jiang released for medical reasons in 1991, then release. But maybe the truth isn't it. Many articles said that Jiang suicided herself on May 14, 1991, in her apartment in the time of medical with a towel.--Flsxx 01:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wait, why is she listed as a "polygamist?"

Suicide

Note that the entry under Jiang Qing states that she committed suicide, but the entry under Gang of Four says that she "supposedly" committed suicide. Given the nature of the Chinese government I think it unlikely we have good information about her death, but shouldn't the two have similar language? Suggest something along the lines of "according to the government, she committed suicide", rather than getting into the implications behind "supposedly" or the presumed factuality of "she committed suicide". 70.107.171.204 (talk) 11:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Photograph Caption?

Shouldn't the first photo have a caption? When was it taken? Where? - Speaker for the Dead 15:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Real Name??

So what was her real original name? Lǐ Shūméng? Lĭ Jìnhái? Lĭ Yúnhè?

The narrative of this in the Early Years part is completely confusing. 208.87.248.162 (talk) 00:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no "real name". Jiang Qing's situation is very complicated. The closest thing she has to a "real name" is Jiang Qing itself. Read the section on "names" and you will probably get a better idea. Colipon+(Talk) 00:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Death of Mao

The section on the death of Mao could really use some citations, as it makes a number of declarations about her suspicious behavior there. It's possible this is accurate, but it sounds suspiciously like after-the-fact maligning of Jiang Qing by Maoist editors. 162.84.185.225 (talk) 19:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The first four paragraphs of this section closely parallel mentions of Jiang Ching in the description of Mao's death in The Private Life of Chairman Mao by Li Zhisui. Someday I may add the relevant citations, but it's a pretty low priority for me at the moment.--Wikimedes (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Education

Is it ever stated why Jiang was able to attend school while most girls her age were not? Until about 1920s, you did not send your daughter to school if you lived in China (the schools were all occupied by young boys and later men in high schools and universities). She was born in 1914. Thanks in advance. 75.5.5.83 (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

The "Names" section even states, "Many females in that time period did not receive formal education or given names". I am assuming her parents were wealthy and open-minded enough to support it. 75.5.5.83 (talk) 23:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Fukuda Cemetery

It is quite strange that the Japanese translation of the cemetery is used in this article instead of its original Chinese name (Futian), even though it seems the cemetery has nothing to do with Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nzlittlesheep (talk • contribs) 15:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

"Hooking someone"?

After arriving in Yan'an, Jiang began to think seriously about "hooking someone". After several affairs, Jiang began seriously plotting the seduction of Mao Zedong, clapping ostentatiously at his lectures and inviting herself into his cave. Soon after Mao and Jiang became acquainted, Zhou Enlai discovered Mao having an affair in the wilderness with Jiang, but exercised discretion.

Is there another, more reliable source for this? The current source is written about a book that is written about the supposed "facts" about Jiang Qing. Do we have any, perhaps, first-hand accounts of the personal lives of Jiang Qing and Mao Zedong? ZhangYuu (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The source is one of the more standard sources available in English for Jiang, and the phrase "hooking someone" was quoted in that source. Most of this article is unsourced, so this section, if anything, raises the standard of the article, even if the source relies partially on anecdote. If facts from the source need to be considered on a case-by-case basis, I do not believe that the quoted section's depiction of Jiang is contrary to other reports of her character, or how she is generally viewed by Chinese historians.Ferox Seneca (talk) 23:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Sources

• Kristof, Nicholas D. "Suicide of Jiang Qing, Mao's Widow, Is Reported." The New York Times. June 5, 1991.

WhisperToMe (talk) 06:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Did or didn't Li Na, Jiang and Mao's daughter, go insane?

It is asserted in the article that Li Na (the only daughter of Jiang and Mao) was forced to divorce her husband, and as a result went insane. The source is a New York Times review of a 1984 biography of Jiang. However, this information is nowhere to be found in Li Na's article. In fact, it seems (from the article) that she has lived quite a productive life, and is currently a member of the PCC.

So, which source is to be trusted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.77 (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The sources in Li Na's biography look like they are all Chinese-language PRC sources. Chinese government publications (like the People's Daily) are all self-published sources, and are not reliable when discussing the history of the PRC. Non-government PRC sources are censored from writing too much about the Cultural Revolution, so they are generally not reliable sources of information for this period, either. Li Na's biography is very short, and doesn't discuss the period of Li's life during the Cultural Revolution, when Jiang would have victimized Li.

If you think that a New York Times book review is too tertiary to be reliable, I could look up the information in the actual biography and improve the relevant citation. I could probably improve Li's article.Ferox Seneca (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Specious claims and Bad sources for them

Hi. Wanted to post this here for discussion, if that is needed but the obvious reason why I deleted certain parts was because what jumped out was that these parts read as a propaganda partisan piece, and no wonder when I looked at the sole source used to make it being a partisan and non-reliable source: Boxun News Network! If those claims are true then they must be made with reliable sources, academic sources by China specialists. Thus, deleting them is a must per WP policies. So, please don't restore it unless you can explain why this source can possibly be deemed reliable or appropriate. Lets make WP look good, and encyclopedic!24.5.69.164 (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

And for those who are not familiar with Boxun, its a dissident press akin to a tabloid style publication. Boxun's policy is that anyone is free to submit news to their website, which means that many of these stories are contributed anonymously and are unverifiable. This source absolutely has no place being used as a reference to support controversial claims, esp. sensationalistic ones about alleged planned murders, etc. 24.5.69.164 (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)