Talk:Columbine High School massacre

Wrong Link

The first mention of Brooks Brown has a link that goes to the article for a jazz player of the same name. Link needs to be removed. 216.137.237.110 (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced sentences

The following has been unsourced for more than a year, and i cannot at this moment find any refs to verify it. There are others but i will leave them for now Monkeymanman (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

The bombs had enough explosive power to destroy the entire cafeteria and bring the library above crashing down, though they failed to detonate.

There are tons of sources to this out there, from the FBI and from the CNN that published lots of Columbine documents etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.89.93 (talk) 23:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

An incorrect information

Hi everybody! I am an italian boy and I'd like to correct an information on the page, but I can't. Just a little thing to say, the uninjured students who left the library after the shootings were 27 (or 28), not 34. And Austin Eubanks was not shot in the head, but in the hand (he was treated in the hospital and released the same day). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.47.195.23 (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from AOCJedi, 30 March 2011

Uh...at Columbine, I'd like to put "Klebold taunted her (Valeen Schnurr), saying 'God is gay', reloaded, then walked away." You know, basic facts. Get this, I met a library survivor!! Can you believe that?! AOCJedi (talk) 11:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC) AOCJedi (talk) 11:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I think we'd need a citation for that. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

comment from Autumnrd99

Actually, it's written about the Columbine High School shootings from the 90s. When in the library, the gunman came and asked a couple of kids if they believe in God. I can't remember, but I believe he told them up front that if they said yes, he would kill them. Cassie Bernall said she did and so the kid shot her in the face. Look at the video on youtube called cassie by flyleaf. refactored by The Interior (Talk) 23:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

youtube is not a reliable ref. As far as i am aware the article covers what has been reliably reported. Monkeymanman (talk) 12:32, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, what do you guys mean they never asked them if they believed in God!!!? There were survivord that were asked!!! Not only is it a lie, it's disrespectful to the martyrs!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don jaun triumphant (talk • contribs) 03:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 95.247.227.22, 6 April 2011

I already wrote that in the discussion board. Some things should be corrected: -Austin Eubanks was shot "in the hand", not "in the head". Sources: http://evanlong.net/columbine-shooting/LibraryInjuredA-I.pdf , http://acolumbinesite.com/ -After the shootings in the library, 28 (not 34) uninjured students left the library (I wrote 27 but I was wrong) along with ELEVEN injured students and not ten. In fact, Brian Anderson was NOT rescued by SWAT team after 3.00 pm but he went outside with the others at approximately 11.40 am. The people rescued by swat were Patti Nielson, Lisa Kreutz and the three library staff. So you should include Brian Anderson among those who escaped immediately and remove his name from the paragraph "Suicide of the shooters". Source: http://evanlong.net/columbine-shooting/LibraryWitnesses.pdf , specifically the accounts of Peggy Dodd, Ryan Barrett and Jennifer Matthews. Thanks :)

95.247.227.22 (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. These assertions must be verified (see WP:V) by a reliable source(s) (see WP:RS). I'm sorry but a blog site does not qualify as reliable (see WP:IRS and WP:SPS). If you get additional sourcing information, please re-open this request. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 23:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit: I have to reactivate my question. The sources I provided are parts of the interviews made by the Arvada Police department to the students who were in the library, and the blog site is just the place where I found them. The blogger just reorganized the pages but if you write "Columbine report" on Google you can find the same pages in many other sites, for example here http://www.scribd.com/doc/14168730/Columbine-Report-Pgs-301400 or also here http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/evidence-repository/pages-00301-00400/ (these are random parts, but other parts can be selected). These reports are official documents, so I considered them as reliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.52.210.85 (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit: I should reactivate my edit request just once again because I noticed an incoherence that shows that my sources are reliable . If you say there were 52 students in the library before the massacre, the students who left the library uninjured just can't be 34: they were 52 - 11 injured students - 2 other students (Patrick Ireland and Lisa Kreutz) - 10 dead students = 29 students at the most. But John Savage left the library before the others, so the students who escaped uninjured after the massacre were 28. Anyway they couldn't be 34. It's logic! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.33.223.160 (talk)

Dr. Breggin's claims

Speculation by a high-profile personality is still speculation. Besides, by the corresponding Wikipedia entry, Dr. Breggin's opinions are not mainstream within the profession. It would be better to insert references to clinical trials related to these drugs and if there is indeed medical or forensic (i.e scientific) evidence supporting the claims. Aldo L (talk) 19:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Brooks Brown

Brooks Brown links to the wrong person. Just thought I should let someone know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.130.26 (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Photos of the victims

There's a picture of the shooters at the top of the page, but none of the victims anywhere. And people wonder why kids do this kind of crap. KevinLuna (talk) 00:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

O RLY? --Cabazap (talk) 08:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Strange incoherence

I'm Italian and forgive me if my english is not good enough. Anyway, I want to bring to your attention another time an incoherence showed in the section about the shooting in the library. At the beginning it says there were 52 students in the library and in the adjacent rooms; at the end, it says that 34 uninjured and 10 injured students fled immediately, except for Lisa Kreutz, Brian Anderson and Patrick Ireland who stayed in the library for a while. There must be something wrong, because if you count you have 34 uninjured students + 10 injured students + 10 dead students + 3 other students = 57 students. In my opinion, some sources are uncorrect; hope you will check them soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.52.234.142 (talk) 18:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and there is also John Savage who left the library before the others, so the number is 58 and not 57. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.52.234.142 (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Simple errors

--MrNdolo (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

In the third paragraph under the Firearms sections the term "discharged" is misspelled and accompanied by a redundancy in the use of the word "fired." If you could please correct this it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you! MrNdolo (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 07:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Another small error concerns the ammunition the killers purchased at KMART. The entry states they purchased their "bullets" at KMART. Unless Klebold and Harris were manufacturing their own ammunition from components they had purchased(they didn't), the term "bullets" is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.118 (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks; I edited the article to change this. ElKevbo (talk) 05:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 March 2012

Why is there no discussion of the parents? Has this been censored in an attempt to whitewash the story?

2.25.214.118 (talk) 16:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

What specific material are you requesting we add to the article? ElKevbo (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Reports from JeffCo authorities

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/report/columbinereport/pages/diagram_toc.htm

This has a list of reports from the JeffCo authorities WhisperToMe (talk) 13:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Article Needs Updating

The article is excellent but misleading about the motives of the killers. Dave Cullen's extensive research and publications about the massacre, especially "The Depressive and the Psychopath," maintain that neither revenge nor bullying caused Eric Harris' and Dylan Klebold's actions. The young men wanted, according to Cullen, to commit a world-historical massacre on a huge scale [Cullen deplores the face that the killings are called a "school massacre"]. As Cullen notes, psychopaths lack elements in various parts of their brains that prohibit them from committing crimes. On this point, see the extensive information about psychopathy in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders." MacLennan123Maclennan123 (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

{{sofixit}}. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you completely, but it's worth mentioning that the validity of some of Cullen's claims are often questioned amongst serious researchers of the massacre. The main problem seems to be that he makes a lot of speculations in his book and disguises them as fact. Be careful when sourcing him on this matter. ZK90 (talk) 02:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 April 2012

Please change Motive: Revenge for bullyine

Source: Columbine by Dave Cullen devotes some 400 pages to proving that the motive was not bullying. The perpetrators were actually pretty well liked at their school, and it has been proven that one perp was a psychopath, where the other was manic depressive. It was purely random; it was not meant to settle any scores. Lizzieshouv (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide exact references. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 19:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Mattbuck & Editing Columbine High School Massacre

First, mattbuck, your response to my post is rude. Second, someone more knowledgeable about the massacre than I has been asked to furnish information about it from David Cullen's highly regarded book, "Columbine." I don't own a copy of the volume. The knowledgeable person does. MacLennan123Maclennan123 (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistent Causes of Death

I've noticed that the cause of death concerning Daniel Rohrbough are not consistent. In the main article it is stated that he was shot in the back while walking down a staircase. In the section about initial injuries and deaths however, it says Rohrbough was shot in the chest. SantiDaVincio (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted. The autopsy report here and here shows Rohrbough was also shot in the abdomen and leg, but it was the 3rd gunshot wound (referred to as wounds "A" and "E" in this section of the autopsy) which was fatal. The report shows the path the fatal bullet took and indicates it was fired from his left, entering his chest from the left and exiting from the right.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

So it was in fact the shot to the chest that killed him? Does there need to be a change to the article? SantiDaVincio (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Impartiality of 'Massacre'

Before I start, I shall add that what these people did was terrible, and I am in no way trying to excuse or lessen it, however I believe the word 'massacre' has partial connotations. Surely an encyclopaedia should stay as impartial as possible, and replace the title with 'Columbine High School Shootings'. Just a thought... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.127.74 (talk) 17:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure that this has been debated several times if you dig through the archives of this Talk page. In general, we tend to rely on how others refer to an event rather then creating our own name. As you have discovered, that has some disadvantages, especially when the common name for a subject is not as professional or unbiased as some of us might prefer. But some of us believe that WP:OR ties our hands a bit in this regard. And it's not a bad way to do things, in general. ElKevbo (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

10 years later

Why is this article still locked? There hasnt been any problems as most editors are fooling with the olypics right now, isn't this an old event?184.98.143.25 (talk) 09:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)