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While fixing some odd editing I realised that the 2006 census breakdown contains Irish Traveller as an ethnic group, but in Ireland they are not classed as such but a socail group. Is there a reason for this discretion for this? Murry1975 (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

When was irish last dominant in Dublin?

When Was Irish last spoken in Dublin as the majority toungue? Abrawak (talk) 08:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Sport

I do not believe "Croke Park is Ireland's national sports stadium" so I would suggest that this be removed unless a credible citation can be found. It is the major venue for Ireland national sports but that is something else. Stating that it "traditionally" hosted some Gaelic games and altered this since renovations is factually incorrect. The international rules games were played there since 1984 while the redevelopment started in the 1990s (and before the redevelopment it also hosted Baseball, American Football and Boxing, ignoring the 1901 soccer match before the GAA owned it). The use of Croke Park is a contentious issue and it seems far more sensible to minimise this content on the Dublin page rather then trying to negotiate careful wording around the issues.

Landsdowne road was not "replaced" by the Aviva, it was simply redeveloped and renamed (though the new name is not commonly used in Dublin).

Leinster Rugby have their own ground in Donnybrook which they still use for some pre-season games, the A side and is used for many schools games (and also by two club sides). The main side generally plays in the RDS with some Heineken Cup games moving to Landsdowne Road (and other occassional special fixtures such as "The Last Stand" a league game Vs Ulster as the last game in the "old" Landsdowne Road before it closed for redevelopment) and one (so far) in Croke Park (see first paragraph, good luck working that in).

Leinster Rugby, both the provincial side and the Dublin clubs playing in the Ireland and Leinster leagues, deserve far more of a mention then the single line they receive (in comparison to the paragraph on Soccer).

The annual Six Nations Rugby matches are also a major annual event in Dublin. Only the All Ireland Gaelic finals could possibly rival them for the title of the primary (regular) Irish sporting events, both deserve an explicit mention.

The two Greyhound tracks (Shelbourne and Harolds Cross) are worthy of mention similar to the horse racing tracks.

Anything beyond a passing mention of Aussie Rules is wildy out of place. I'm a bit of a sport nut and have heard far more about American Football in Ireland over the years then Aussie Rules. Two long sentences including a sneaky link to a sponsor seem planted. If Aussie Rules is worthy of a mention here then so does just about every other sport played in Dublin such as Softball or Tag Rugby which would both have far larger numbers of players.

The roller girls mention also seems silly and not notable, sorry ladies.

Wimbledon's claims they wanted to move to Dublin is also stretching things for inclusion in an article on Dublin.

No mention of Cricket? There are many clubs in Dublin, the oldest (Phoenix Cricket Club) dating back to 1830 with a number of others going back to the 1800s. Trinity College hosted Irelands only Test match to date (Ireland Women Vs Pakistan) and plans are afoot to develop an international venue at Malahide Cricket Club (Clontarf currently hosting Dublin based mens internationals). International qualifying tournaments (e.g. World Cup Qualifiers) and European Championships have used a number of Dublin grounds. Leinster Cricket Clubs ground in Rathmines hosted Irelands first ever Rugby international. Yes I'm cricket biased, but given the worldwide attention received by the Irish Cricket side at the last two world cups (and Ed Joyce and Eoin Morgan, both Dubliners, recent stints playing for England) it would be more notable then the Rugby League references.

As you can (probably) tell, I would really struggle to edit this and adhere to NPOV, but as it stands it is horrible. Good luck to anyone brave enough to try and improve the section, I promise I won't make life harder on you. Justnotmyip (talk) 04:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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2 Names?

Why does Dublin have two Irish names? Dublin and Baile Átha Cliath? Just interested. VenomousConcept (talk) 15:34, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

It's the city name in both Irish and English. Mo ainm~Talk 15:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Venomous, Dublin is an anglosized version of an old name Dubh Linn, this name comes from a settlement on the Liffey where it previously met a then larger river Poodle. This would have probably been a more common name for English traders to recognise and probably stuck better that the name in Irish of the actual area, or larger community. Other places in Ireland have roots in different languages like norse that where anlgocized instead of the Irish name (Waterford being one example), these names where probably better known or easier to pronounce for an English speaker. Murry1975 (talk) 16:36, 10 May 2012 (UTc

NEW COMMENT. I have answered this confusing business in detail at the top of this page.Wiki first says the English called it Dublin then in the next sentence says Dublin was founded as a settlement by the Vikings (hundreds of years before the French Norman invasion of 1179) So the question is --what did the Vikings call it and the answer is that the Vikings named it Dublin .What happened was probably the Vikings went to this place and said what is this place called and were told it was called--The crossing over the river--(in Irish of course) The Vikings then said what is that dark lake called and were told --Its called the Black Pool-- (Dub-lin in Irish of course) The Vikings then said good .We like that name. Our new settlement will be called Dublin. The fact is that wherever the Viking settlers went they named the place as they liked ,using either Irish language names or their own Viking (Norse) names. When the French Norman invaders arrived in 1179 nearly all the places in Ireland had already been named and Ireland became a French speaking nation for nearly two hundred years only changing to English when the English did in about 1350 (I am ignoring the true English names introduced by the largely Scots plantation settlers from 1600)

The above comment from Murray shows how difficult it is for the Irish to accept the facts about Ireland. He mentions the English or Anglicization several times when the ruling language was either Viking Norse or Norman French until about 1350! The wretched English had nothing to do with it! Irelands first colonial rulers were the Vikings who gave the country its names,Irelands second colonial rulers were the French Normans who ruled the French speaking nation until they became assimilated and started speaking English like their French brothers in England in about 1350

It is amazing the igorance or distortion there is in the early history of the British isles. History books --including Wiki, have articles about the early English kings ,the Edwards ,Richards,Henrys etc some of whom are buried in Westminster Abbey . These are all referred to as English Kings etc. It is never mentioned that most were born in France or educated in France ,never spoke a word of English and were totally in manners style and culture Frenchmen in every way! Incidentally the great heroes of the Scots were all French speaking Normans --Robert De Brucage and William Wallace.Whatever attempts are made ,through marriage etc or place of birth etc they were Frenchmen through and through and not remotely English--yet you wouldnt know that from films or even Wiki!

VERY PECULIAR!VERY IRISH! Looking up the origins of the name Dublin I found the most confusing or rather naughty piece of deception over the name Wiki says Dublin (from the Irish words for Black Pool) is the name used by the English (those damned English!) ..for Dublin whose REAL IRISH name is something so difficult I cant pronounce it but which means crossing place over the river But in your next sentence you say -Dublin was founded as a settlement by the VIKINGS! SO WHAT DID THE VIKINGS CALL THE PLACE THEY FOUNDED? The answer surely is that THEY named it Dublin just as they named nearly every place they travelled to in Ireland, Why cant you say this? Why bring in the English who had nothing to do with it? And since ,following the French Norman invasion of Ireland in 1179 ,Ireland became for three hundred years a French speaking nation(like England), I dont see that England or English had any part in naming the places of Ireland at all (except obviously in the places named by the Scottish settlers in the plantations etc from 1600 . The fact is that the Irish do not like to accept that their first colonial masters the Vikings named most of Irelands towns and that their second colonial masters were the French(who were also masters of conquered England) and the English/ British had nothing to do with it. Please correct remove or explain this confusing/deceptive business of what the English called it and simply explain that Dublin was named Dublin by the Vikings and was called Dublin for hundreds of years before the French Norman invasion.Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.113.13 (talk) 11:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

See above for a quick explaination. Murry1975 (talk) 12:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

What are the subdivisions of Dublin?

Dublin can be politically broken down into six constituencies.

It can also be broken down into Walkinstown, Crumlin, Templeogue, etc.

The individual articles refer to these divisions as "suburbs" but that term is not widely used in Ireland - neither in informal conversation, nor in the media. So what are those things?

People usually say "What area are you from?" - but there's surely a more precise word than "area". Any ideas?

"Estates" also exist ("housing estates"), but they're subdivisions of the above "areas". The article List of Dublin postal districts uses the term "areas". Gronky (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

After more thinking, I think "areas" is right. Anyone know where we'd find a law that discusses the boundaries of these areas (which would confirm that they exist)? Gronky (talk) 11:36, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

http://www.dublintourist.com/towns/ a link to a tourist website. It really doesnt make it any clearer, some are towns some are areas, I presume depending on if they where old towns that merged as Dublin grow or areas, by both being a out together "area" or being a historic area which had very little settlements or people. Murry1975 (talk) 07:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, that's food for thought alright. I wonder if all counties and the whole country is divided into "towns and areas". When I get time, I'll stick that whole list of "towns and areas" into some search engines and maybe some legislative pages will crop up with declarations about what these things are. Thanks. Gronky (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Towns, townlands, and villages mainly, some still are referred to parishes- even if this is rare. Just ran a quick search

http://www.irish-place-names.com/

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/

http://goldenlangan.com/map.html

Hope this helps. Murry1975 (talk) 07:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)