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Began

Began this page as an extension of bubonic plague. Please see that article and the talk page. Related pages are the Black Death and the Plague of Justinian. Dissension on the topic is both scientific and historical. Some of the written references listed in the articles contain information on both sides. Comments welcome. WBardwin 06:31, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A significant amount of new material particularly on worldwide outbreaks was added. Comments welcome. WBardwin 07:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Err, the World Distribution of Plague map is supposedly up through 1998, though it still has a line between East and West Germany.

Why "third"?

This may be better clarified if there is an explanation of what were considered the 'first' and 'second' pandemics even if naming this a 'third' pandemic was inaccurate.

L. Greg 23:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the heading in the Bubonic Plague page. There are three total pandemics. Benjwong 05:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That entry has since been moved to Plague (disease)#History. As to the accuracy, it's only possibly accurate if this pandemic is described as "the third pandemic of Yersinia pestis", because there was at least one non-Yersinia pestis pandemic that came before: Antonine Plague. Even then, it would be even more correct to describe it as "the third known pandemic of Yersinia pestis", since it's not unlikely that pandemics in ancient history or prehistory occurred but evidence was lost. At the same time though, the further one goes back in time, "international trade" diminishes and disappears (e.g. Egypt↔India trade began ~3000BCE), reducing the opportunity for widespread dispersion. --Underpants 18:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Public Health in India

Yogesh Khandke - I based that sentence on a couple of brief extracts, one from Echenberg, Myron J. Pestis Redux: The Initial Years of the Third Bubonic Plague Pandemic, 1894-1901 Journal of World History - Volume 13, Number 2, Fall 2002, pp. 429-449. But I would like to read that whole article before we decide to keep the section. Do you think I incorporated your work into the article correctly? Please feel free to change or shuffle things about. WBardwin (talk) 22:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deletion

Your recent deletion regarding "Disease research" seems to be a matter of opinion. You assert that the deleted statement was erroneous, citing Bidel, David J., and T. H. Chen. “Diagnosis of plague: An analysis of the Yersin-Kitasato controversy.” Bacteriological Reviews 40, no. 3. The current material in the article is supported in : Orent, Wendy. "Plague: The Mysterious Past and Terrifying Future of the World's Most Dangerous Disease". ( New York: Free Press, 2004. ISBN 0-7432-3685-8) as well as other recent work. Perhaps we should contrast the two points of view in this paragraph. WBardwin (talk) 01:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Umm... this plague is supposed to be from 1855-1953, why does that map show 1970-1998? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.117.200 (talk) 21:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The map does not show the outbreak of the disease. The Third Pandemic, with its ever widening episodes of plague, distributed the disease through the early modern transportation system. Showing the modern location of the disease causing agent, the map illustrates the fact that the plague bacillus is now a world wide potential threat. WBardwin (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death stat discrepancy

Early paragraph says that 12 million total people in China and India died from 1855-1959, but the later section on India says that 12.5 million people died in India alone. Don't have time to delve into the sources right now, but I thought I should point it out in case I don't get back to it.

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 :The map does not show the outbreak of the disease. The Third Pandemic, with its ever widening episodes of plague, distributed the disease through the early modern transportation system.  Showing the modern location of the disease causing agent, the map illustrates the fact that the plague bacillus is now a world wide potential threat.  [[User:WBardwin|WBardwin]] ([[User talk:WBardwin|talk]]) 21:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
+== Death stat discrepancy ==
+Early paragraph says that 12 million total people in China and India died from 1855-1959, but the later section on India says that 12.5 million people died in India alone. Don't have time to delve into the sources right now, but I thought I should point it out in case I don't get back to it.