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Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Rushbugled13 (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Rushbugled13 (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ethicalv, you are invited to the Teahouse

Hi Ethicalv! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia.
Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Wikipedia and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Doctree (I'm a Teahouse host)

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And you sent: @DocTree

Thanks for the invitation to the Teahouse. I have no questions at this point as I'm awaiting feedback to all my edits. However if you're able to review some of my editing submissions I would welcome feedback. Ethicalv (talk) 01:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Ethicalv. I looked over your submissions. I suspect that your articles won't be accepted because of Wikipedia's policy and guidelines on reliable sources. "Self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable." I spent some hours looking for mainstream coverage and found none. To be included in the encyclopedia, articles must meet notability criteria with substantial coverage in secondary sources. Look for articles in mainstream magazines and newspapers written about the manosphere and use them as primary sources to establish notability. Good luck, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 17:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC) (PS: Post any reply here; I'll watch your talk page for a bit.)[reply]

Thanks for providing that link on "Self-published sources (online and paper)". I looked it up and by my reading it allowed the sources:

self-published media—whether ... personal websites, ... blogs, ... Internet forum postings, ...are largely not acceptable ... with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users.

I'd appreciate your help in this matter since I've set about documenting an almost exclusively online movement (the "manosphere") that nevertheless consists of hundreds of websites, blogs, and forums. I feel that whether or not one agrees with its positions, it needs to be documented. It is categorically impossible to document such an online movement on wikipedia if its main proponents can't be referred to in wikipedia. This online movement (the "manosphere") arose in response to what they felt was the well documented censorship in the mainstream media of any male opinions on gender issues that dissented from what they refer to as feminist doctrine. So although the movement literally contains hundreds of sites that receive a HUGE amount of combined web traffic, regardless of whether it's because of this censorship they mention or because of their own choice, they are ABSOLUTELY INVISIBLE in the mainstream media. In addition to the fact that its obviously more accurate to document them by referring to them directly, there is also NO OTHER WAY to document them. I'm sure you agree wikipedia shouldn't be robbed of the opportunity to be more complete.

Specifically I'd like whatever help you can provide in ensuring that I'm able to document this movement.

Ethicalv (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I wasn't clear, Ethicalv. After an extensive search, I was unable to find significant coverage of "the manosphere" in independent, reliable sources other than two columns on the SPLC website. Movements that are truly notable and belong in Wikipedia attract notice by second parties. That there are hundreds of websites, blogs and forums may be a fact but does not establish notability. Tens of thousands of websites, blogs and forums are devoted to subjects that don't belong in Wikipedia. Large or even HUGE volumes of web traffic do not establish notability. Reliable news sources this week reported the HUGE web response to photos of a kitten that looks grumpy, another subject not suitable for Wikipedia. Your emphasis above is out of context; it appears that you're choosing to misinterpret the guidelines to support your position. I read your submissions to articles for creation on Manosphere and Dalrock. In my opinion, they are not suitable for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for advocacy. You are advocating for those subjects. That you "feel" that it needs to be documented and "they felt" like victims doesn't change Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Wikipedia isn't the place to "document this movement." I suggest that you draft some definitive articles on the manosphere and submit them to reliable sources like major newspapers and magazines. That would create a reliable source that might make the subject suitable for Wikipedia. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 02:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

December 2012

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Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Paulthomas2 (talk) 03:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Someguy1221 (talk) 01:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Friendly advice

Hello there. I looked into your contributions after declining to intercede on your behalf at the Dispute Resolution Noticebpard. Please be aware that Men's rights movement and related articles are on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Talk:Men's rights movement/Article probation. Your contributions suggest that you may have a singular purpose of pushing a point of view in relation to this content. Hasteur (talk) 16:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Paulthomas2 (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright warning

Your addition to Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Roissy has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. The list of maxims you copied in to this article is an undoubted copyright violation, unless you have evidence that the maxims were released under a free license. Wikipedia takes our copyright policies very seriously, please do not violate them in the future. Kevin Gorman (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Ban Against the "Manosphere"

I have stated that it is my purpose to document the "Manosphere". In contrast with the topics targeted by single purpose editors, this is a broad topic area which is distinctly different from men's rights, as some participants in the Manosphere are in favor of campaigning for men's rights and some are diametrically opposed to doing so. I am learning wikipedia and with earnest effort my articles will eventually be published as I have no doubt that the editing process is free and fair. Please note that all of my articles were written within a short time and submitted. I am awaiting feedback before proceeding. I have not "continued to submit" anything as you have claimed.

Furthermore it is offensive, and highly improper according to wikipedia's own standards that you as an editor seek out topics to edit in which you most demonstratedly have extremely strong opinions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive242), and then edit away and attempt to ban any departures from your own views. Wikipedia bans are not to be used in retaliation against users

The kind of blatant ideological crusade you have engaged in makes a mockery of the efforts of honest wikipedians who donate their free time to this truly wonderful endeavor. As an editor who has directly attacked me in public forums, your efforts to have me banned can only be construed as censorship of the worst kind. I will always humbly submit to wikipedia's standards of editing and will make every effort to improve my articles given the opportunity, but the kind of censorship you propose would deface this great public institution to exclude topics you personally find do not suit your agenda.

I have on many occasions sought out help from more experienced wikipedians.

I'd appreciate your help in this matter since I've set about documenting an almost exclusively online movement (the "manosphere") that nevertheless consists of hundreds of websites, blogs, and forums.

There can be no justification for banning me from a topic on which I have made good faith efforts to document a real and growing movement. If however you do decide to pursue that I be banned from the topic of the manosphere it is for the Wikipedia community to decide, by consensus, to impose a ban. I humbly submit to whatever the outcome of your efforts may be.

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:39, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=|link=]] Your addition to [[:Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Roissy]] has been removed, as it appears to have added [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyrighted]] material to Wikipedia without [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission|permission]] from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]] for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia.  For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of ''information'', but not as a source of ''article content'', such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators '''will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''. <!-- Template:uw-copyright --> ''The list of maxims you copied in to this article is an undoubted copyright violation, unless you have evidence that the maxims were released under a free license.  Wikipedia takes our copyright policies very seriously, please do not violate them in the future.'' [[User:Kevin Gorman|Kevin Gorman]] ([[User talk:Kevin Gorman|talk]]) 08:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
+== Proposed Ban Against the "Manosphere" ==
-== Reliable sources ==
+I have stated that it is my purpose to document the "Manosphere". In contrast with the topics targeted by [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose_account|single purpose editors]], this is a broad topic area which is distinctly different from men's rights, as some participants in the Manosphere are in favor of campaigning for men's rights and some are diametrically opposed to doing so. I am learning wikipedia and with earnest effort my articles will eventually be published as I have no doubt that the editing process is free and fair. Please note that all of my articles were written within a short time and submitted. I am awaiting feedback before proceeding. I have not "continued to submit" anything as you have claimed.
+Furthermore it is offensive, and highly improper according to wikipedia's own standards that you as an editor seek out topics to edit in which you most demonstratedly have extremely strong opinions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive242), and then edit away and attempt to ban any departures from your own views. Wikipedia bans are not to be used [[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Purpose_and_goals|in retaliation against users]]
-Have you had a chance to read [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]?  I'm asking because I see you are still appealing to popularity as a criteria for inclusion, and we just don't use that as a guideline.  When something is "absolutely invisible in the mainstream media" (your words) it is unfortunate, but Wikipedia ''cannot'' cover them.  Please tell me you understand this policy, because up until now, I am not yet convinced that you fully comprehend it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
-:Hi.  You've been given an opportunity to respond to this message and you have not done so.  You've also had an opportunity to connect with and help out other Wikipedians who are working on men's rights issues.  Because you have not responded to any of these points and instead, continued to submit articles that don't meet our guidelines, I'm afraid the next step is to implement a topic ban, and there are at least three editors who currently support it.  If you wish to respond to the above before this occurs, please do so.  I will be watching for your response.  Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
+The kind of blatant ideological crusade you have engaged in makes a mockery of the efforts of honest wikipedians who donate their free time to this truly wonderful endeavor. As an editor who has directly attacked me in public forums, your efforts to have me banned can only be construed as censorship of the worst kind. I will always humbly submit to wikipedia's standards of editing and will make every effort to improve my articles given the opportunity, but the kind of censorship you propose would deface this great public institution to exclude topics you personally find do not suit your agenda.
+I have on [[User_talk:Ethicalv|many occasions]] sought out help from more experienced wikipedians.
+<blockquote>I'd appreciate your help in this matter since I've set about documenting an almost exclusively online movement (the "manosphere") that nevertheless consists of hundreds of websites, blogs, and forums. </blockquote>
+There can be no justification for banning me from a topic on which I have made good faith efforts to document a real and growing movement. If however you do decide to pursue that I be banned from the topic of the manosphere it is for the Wikipedia community to decide, by consensus, to impose a ban. I humbly submit to whatever the outcome of your efforts may be.
 == Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]] ==