Talk:Smolensk air disaster

A witness in the Smolensk investigation, Remigiusz Mus, found dead, on 28 October 2012

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The police confirmed to niezalezna.pl portal that Ensign Remigiusz Mus, an on-board technician serving as a part of the crew of Yak-40, which landed in Smolensk on 10 April 2010, an hour before the Tu-154 crash, and a key witness whose testimonials contradicted official version of events in crash’s investigation, is dead. Ensign Remigiusz Mus, who revealed that the Flight Controller from the Smolensk’s Airport gave to Jak-40 crew orders to descend to 50 metres above the ground, assured that the same command had been given to Tu-154 no. 101, as well as to the Russian Il-76, what completely contradicted Voice Cockpit Recorders transcripts. Remigiusz Mus was one of the most important witnesses in the investigation concerning the Smolensk air crash. He heard the orders given from the tower in Smolensk and during an interrogation he spoke about 2 explosions taking place before the TU-154M engines stopped. "Serial suicider" on the run again Why Remigiusz Mus died Did someone persuade Remigiusz Mus to commit suicide? The case mentioned even in German “Westdeutsche Zeitung”: Absturz der Präsidentenmaschine lässt Polen nicht zur Ruhe kommen That’s another victim of the "serial suicider", related to the Smolensk case. Some of the other mysterious deaths related: Gregory Michniewicz – CEO of the prime minister Donald Tusk’s office. He hanged himself on 23 December 2009 on a cable of a vacuum cleaner, the date when TU-154 plane came back from repairs in Samara. Christopher Knyż, the operator of "Fakty" on TVN, on April 10, 2010 was in Smolensk. He died in Moscow on June 2, 2010. Death completely concealed. Prof. Marek Dulinicz, head of the archaeological group, died June 6, 2010 in a car accident while waiting for the trip to Smolensk. Dr. Eugeniusz Wróbel, a professor at the Silesian University of Technology, a specialist in aircraft computer control systems, expressed doubts on the investigation on the crash in Smolensk. Officially, killed with a chainsaw on 16.10.2010 r, by his son, who removed traces of blood, carried cut corpse to the lake, went back and forgot everything. His "mental ill health" has not been noticed for over 20 years by his mother, who is a psychiatrist. Dariusz Szpineta - professional pilot and instructor pilot, an expert and president of an airline company, was found dead in a bathroom during holiday in India. Previously, he spoke several times in the media on Smolensk, questioning the official finding. General Slawomir Petelicki, former commander of the "Grom". Found dead June 16, 2012 year. Sharply criticized the findings of the Commission for Aircraft Accident Investigation and tardiness of the Polish government to explain the causes of the crash in Smolensk. He died as a result of gunshot wounds. List of victims of the "serial suicider" Voyt13 (talk) 17:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC) Sorry this page is related to improving the article and is not a forum for repeating fringe or made up conspiracy theories. If you keep adding this type of fringe forum stuff it may be seen as disruptive so please desist, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:40, 8 November 2012 (UTC) Is it time to start deleting these posts per WP:NOTAFORUM? N419BH 20:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC) Agree. MilborneOne (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Polish Parliamentary group to investigate the causes of the catastrophe

One of the users changed the name of one of the sections from "Polish Parliamentary group to investigate the causes of the catastrophe" to "Law and Justice investigation". I would like to ask the administrators to change it back to its previous name becouse the current one is incorrect. Law and Justice have not conducted any official investigation. The Parliamentary group is a -parliamentary- authority which can be formed according to the Polish Constitution and the Statute of Polish Parliament art. 17. Membership in this and other Parliamentary Groups is voluntary and open for members from all parliamentary parties. Please change it becouse its misleading for the readers. I would like to also ask to change that section entirely as in its current form it is merely just a bunch of negative opinions about the group itself and its members and experts expressed by some of the media and politics. During the Smolensk Conference in October, 100 academics from the biggest Polish universities, from USA, Australia, Canada and some other experts concluded that only an explosion can explain this catastrophe. Why are their findings ecluded from that section? Why there is no mention of the traces of explosive materials found by American scientists on the belt and part of one of the victim's blouse? That section in its current from is unacceptable. I hope for a substantive discussion about a new and encyclopedic form of that section.--FitJock87 (talk) 03:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

As I mentioned on your talk page, other editors do not have to indulge you since, as far as I can tell, you're simply re-raising the same issues that have been rejected a number of times before. Please first re-read those prior discussions, then, if anything is still not answered, re-ask. One particular policy that is relevant here: Wikipedia is not supposed to cover every single viewpoint in great detail. If a particular viewpoint is only held by a small group of people, then we should mention it only briefly, in passing. And if the viewpoint is only held by an extremely small group, such that the position falls under WP:FRINGE, then we don't mention it at all. Finally, please do not try to argue about the actual "findings", or where explosives were found, or whatever. We don't argue about the actual facts of a debate here; all we do is figure out what reliable sources say. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Assassination Theory

What is the problem with at least pointing out the existence of the assassination theory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.210.233.156 (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

There is none, that's why the article includes a section on it: 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash#Law and Justice investigation. N419BH 00:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

TNT

A coverage in French "Nouvelles de France", the prosecutors DO CONFIRM the detection of TNT:
Tragédie de Smolensk du 10 avril 2010 : les enquêteurs polonais ont bien découvert des traces d’explosifs sur l’épave de l’avion ! 88.156.86.194 (talk) 07:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Detection, yes, but the problem is that other substances can be detected as TNT. From [1] "Col Szelag told a news conference later on Tuesday: "It is not true that investigators found traces of TNT or nitroglycerine. Evidence and opinions collected so far have in no way provided support to the belief that the crash was a result of actions by third parties, that is to say an assassination." He also pointed out that equipment used to detect TNT could react in a similar way to soil, perfume or everyday objects."--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Could the detectors be used if they "beep" on every perfume bottle? All about the reaction on other substances have been many times denied, also by the producers of the detectors: [2] . Also, the damaged lungs in autopsies confirm the hypothesis of explosion: [3] . Also, why there is still no word about the Smolensk Conference with participation of over hundred scientists [4] [5] and other conferences: [6] [7] ? 88.156.86.194 (talk) 08:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Spelling and Grammar

Since this page is under the Semi-protection policy; I cannot make an edit, can someone please make an edit to the Initial Reports section, third paragraph, second to last sentence. The sentence "General Błasik not stayed in the cockpit and was a regular passenger" needs to be corrected and should say "General Błasik had not stayed in the cockpit and was a regular passenger". Thank you in advance and if my spelling and grammar needs correcting I am happy for someone to point that out for me and/or correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonym91 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done - Sorry you are unable to edit this article, but it has proved necessary to semi-protect it due to disruption from thos trying to push conspiracy theories. Welcome to Wikipedia. Mjroots (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I fully understand why it is protected so their is no need for apologies. I am happy that I got the help I needed and that we both made a small contribution in improving a wiki page.Tonym91 (talk) 13:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)