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Talk:Punk rock

Hi Garagepunk66. With respect, I have reverted the changes you just made to your comment of 21:19, 27 October 2012‎ at Talk:Punk rock. You really shouldn't massively alter your original comment after other editors have already responded to it. Substantially altering a comment like this after it has been replied to deprives the reply of its original context. It can also be confusing. Instead, if you have new or additional points to make, please make them in a new comment below the existing replies. For more information, see WP:REDACT. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I should amend: Minor changes/fixes are OK, but please don't change the timestamp. Again, this confuses the chronological flow of the discussion, since it will appear that the replies were made before the original comment. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

You're significantly altering your comment again. Please read WP:REDACT and don't do this. If you've got something new to add, add it as a new comment at the bottom of the thread. I'm trying to help you out here. It's important not to significantly alter your posts after people have already replied to them. Otherwise the conversation becomes very difficult to follow. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I just read your messages. I am new as a Wiki editor (very green). As a writer I love to edit and re-edit myself. I' will do it the way you recommend in the future. By the way, do they have a spell-check devise on the Wiki edits toolbar? It would eliminate the need for a lot of re-edits. If it doesn't, then perhaps you could could send a request for one up the line.

Thanks, Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Made changes in "Origins" to correct factual inaccuracies and contradictions and put contents in lear chronological order

I made changes in "Origins" (History of punk subculture article) to correct factual inaccuracies and contradictions and put contents in lear chronological order. See my further comments in "Talk" section. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, I noticed that when I put the names of many of newly included bands in double brackets, that this ended up causing many of them to go to other bands' Wiki articles, so, I removed the doulble brackets. When I get the time, I would like to create articles on a lot of these bands, but I want to make sure that the articles are carefully worded and researched. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

What happened to "Garage Rock Revival" title? New Title Misleading (concerning "Post-Punk Revival" article)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember this article being titled "Garage Rock Revival." As it stands, the title of the article is misleading in how it pertains to bands that are trying to revive the garage rock sound of the mid-60's. Such bands are certainly not trying to revive post punk. Post punk was not garage rock, but a movement that consisted of bands that came much later (after 70's punk), such as Public Image Limited, as well as the goth and no wave genres, etc. Garage rock can never be spoken of as either pre-punk or post-punk, because it was the original form of punk rock (for references and detailed discussion, please read my posts in talk sections of "Garage Rock," "Punk Rock," "Punk Subculture," and "History of Punk Subculture"), so all attempts to revivalize it must be treated as "punk" and/or "garage..." and nothing else.

The title needs to be changed back to "Garage Rock Revival." There is still a Wiki article-link in the side box of the "Punk Rock" article that reads "Garage Rock Revival," but when you click onto it, you get something different that what was expected ("Post-Punk Revival", when it should read "Garage Rock Revival").

Please return the title of this article back to "Garage Rock Revival" (as it should be). New and seperate articles can be created for "Post Punk Revival," if there are any bands trying to revitalize that sound (i.e. PIL, goth, no wave, etc. or other revival genres. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

"Etymology" section (of Wiki "Punk Rock" article) is vague and confusing, omits key information, does not make clear that garage rock was the first genre to be referred to as "punk rock"

The "Etymology" section of the Wiki "Punk Rock" article is vague, omits key information, and does not make it clear enough that garage rock (1963-1967) was the first genre of music to be spoken of as "punk rock." It also omits the fact that Lenny Kaye (future member of Patti Smith Group) referred to it, as a whole genre, as "punk rock" in his original liner notes to the Nuggets compilation LP (Electra, 1972) The Wiki "Etymology" section speaks as if the word "punk rock," was used arbitrarily by critics in the early 70's. This is false and innacurate. The critics knew exactly what they were referring to: garage rock of the mid-60's.

In the early 70's certain inluential rock critics retroactively used the term "punk rock" to describe the mid-60's garage bands as a sub-genre, whether individually or collecively, making it the first time the word was used as such to refer to a style of rock.

To quote Lenny Kaye's liner notes to the original 1972 "Nuggets" LP compitaion:

"...In addition, most of these groups (and by and large, this was an era dominated by groups) were young, decidedly unprofessional, seemingly more at home practicing for a teen dance than going out on a national tour. The name that has been unofficially coined for them--"punk rock"--seems particularly fitting in this case." Lenny Kaye took the colloquial, unofficial term that was floating around and, in the act of writing about it, officially codified it in the larger public mind in his notes on a major record relase by a major record label with widespread distribution (Electra).

No doubt the previous Wiki editors have read the website, "Etymology of Punk (and the Developent of How the Term Came to be Used in Rock) (www.johnsavage.com/punk-etymology). But they have made a bad misreading of its contents. It quotes and cites numerous articles from 1969-the late 70's. From 1971-1975, "Punk Rock," is used time and time again to refer to the garage rock of the mid-60's. The word "garage band," is also used, but not nearly as often as "punk." The critics do allow the extension of the term "punk rock" to apply to contemporary artists of that era (1971-1975), as well. You will see references to various contemporry artists of the time that the critics percived as "punk rock" at the time. Some references may surprise you (Bob Seger, Grand Funk Railroad, Springsteen, etc.). Some may not (Iggy and the Stooges, early Alice Kooper). But, one thing is certain: the barometer for whether or not they considered a contemporary group artist "punk" was the degree to which that group or artist was percieved to embody the spirit of the mid-60's garage bands.

The current "Etymology" secion of the "Punk Rock article in Wiki, badly misreads the intent of rock critics of the early to mid 70's and makes it seem as if the term "punk rock" was used arbitrarily by these critics, but it was not. There may have some been confusion about what constituted "punk" in terms of contemporary artists of the time, but here is absolutely no confusion about how it realted to the garage rock bands of the mid-60's, which were considered the foundation of the definition.

In the article, "The Shakin' Street Punk Survey," by Metal Mike Saunders (that appeared in the "Shakin Street Gazette" Nov.7, 1974) Sauners speaks of the mid-70's punk movement in New York as a punk "revival" (not as a new thing called punk): "...the punk music revival is now in full swing.". He also talks about the influence of the Nuggets compilation LP on their New York contemporaries."

Over a year and a half earlier, Greg Shaw, in his Rolling Stone review of Nuggets had said:

"Punk Rock at its best is the closest we came in the 60's to the original rockabilly spirit of Rock 'n Roll, ie Punk Rock The Arrogant Underbelly of Sixties Pop..." (Rolling Stone, Jan. 4, 1973)

A few years later, Shaw in review for a live show by the Sex Pistols at the 100 club (Record, June 1976), describes them as "punk rock," but in the context of how they fit into his previous definition of the term, not as a new definition (keep in mind that, at that time, they often did covers of old mid-60's songs, such as "Stepping Stone," by Paul Revere and the Raiders and "Substitute," by The Who). It is not until the Sex Pistols got really big and become a cause celebre all over England (post-Grundy show appearance) that the term "punk" shifted away from its previous definition to designating a new phenominon.

But, the article that goes into the most detail about the early definition for mid 60's garage as "punk," is "White Punks on Coke," by Mick Houghton (Let it Rock, Dec. 1975) He talks extensively about the "resurrection," of punk currently going on (i.e. what we would assume to be the New York Scene--CBGB's, etc.). At great length, he litanizes the various "punk" bands of the 60's: ? & The Mysterions, The Castaways, The Count Five, The Shadows of The Knight, The Barbarians, The Seeds, The Blues magoos, etc. Read it. To Houghton:

"But that challenge [to the British Invasion] was taken up by a plethora of amorphous garage bands which sprang up in the suburbs of American cities. It is among these groups that punk rock began. (Let It Rock, Dec. 1975)

Over and over, the rock critics are absolutely clear that they consider the garage rock to be the original (and touchstone) form of punk rock. However, the Wiki "Etymology" section of the "Punk Rock" article does not sufficiently reflect this. It only makes occasional references to these critics and makes their statements appear to be equivical. It does mention that Ed Sanders used the term, "punk rock," to describe the Fugs (in a 1970 article). But, Sanders remarks does not attempt to define a whole genre of music. It is likely that he is using the term "punk rock" in context of how it was probably being used colloquially at the time: to describe garage bands of the mid-60's and how the term could also be used to denote contemporaries who considered themselves to be following in the eccentric spirit of the garage bands. In all likleyhood, Sanders is using the term in exactly the same context as critics, such as Dave Marsh, Lenny Kaye, Greg Shaw, Mike Saunders, and Mick Houghton.

After careful reading of what was said, time and time again, by influential rock critics 1971-1975, there can be absolutely no doubt that garage rock is the first genre of music to be referred to as "punk rock." The "Etymolgy" section of the Wiki "Punk Rock" article must be ammended to reflect this reality. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Garagepunk66, thanks for providing us with all this info about history of the usage of the term "punk rock". I am also interested in the history of the term. As you probably know there is also the article, by Ed Sanders on March 22nd, 1970 in the Chicago Tribune. In this article, Sanders usage is dissimilar to the later usages 1971-beyond (which use punk rock to describe 60s garage rock) - he is describing his own music. I wonder if there has been any earlier uses found in published form, from early 1970, or earlier, or is it possible that the Sanders article is the first mention of the specific term, "punk rock". Also the link to the John Savage article above seems to be broken. Xsxex (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Garage rock

I don't want to get into much further discussion over etymology, and who called what music "punk", and when, and so forth - simply because I don't think it's very necessary. But, I do agree with you very strongly that the "Peak of popularity" section of the Garage rock article, in particular, is pathetic at the moment. If you were to start expanding and developing that article - maybe by going into some detail about the various regional scenes, and identifying which bands were and are considered the most important in each - you would have my full support. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I want to thank you, as always, for your kind consideration. I know that I have been a "handfull" lately, but I have come to have the highest regards for your editorship. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Heading to Ramones article misleading: Ramones definitely not the first punk band

The heading is misleading when it says that many cite the Ramones as "the first punk rock band." I am not arguing with the fact that many people do, indeed, make that claim, but that the way it is worded is misleading. The Ramones were not even remotely the first punk rock band (by a long shot). Neither, for that matter, were MC5 or the Stooges. The first punk rock bands were the garage rock bands of the mid-60's (circa 1963-1967). I am not denying The Ramones' punk credentials (as some people in these posts have). I definitley consider them to be true punk rock (great punk!!!)--just not the first. The heading should instead read: "The Ramones are often cited as the first modern punk band." Note: "...modern...." Let me explain.

In the early 70's certain inluential rock critics retroactively used the term "punk rock" to describe the mid-60's garage bands as a sub-genre, making it the first time the word was used as such to refer to a style of rock. To quote Lenny Kaye's liner notes to the original 1972 "Nuggets" LP compitaion:

"...In addition, most of these groups (and by and large, this was an era dominated by groups) were young, decidedly unprofessional, seemingly more at home practicing for a teen dance than going out on a national tour. The name that has been unofficially coined for them--"punk rock"--seems particularly fitting in this case."

Go to the website, "Etymology of Punk (and the Developent of How the Term Came to be Used in Rock) (www.johnsavage.com/punk-etymology). It quotes and cites numerous articles from 1969-the late 70's. From 1971-1975, "Punk Rock," is used time and time again to refer to the garage rock of the mid-60's. The word "garage band," is also used, but not nearly as often as "punk." The critics do allow the extension of the term "punk rock" to apply to contemporary artists of that era (1971-1975), as well. You will see references to various contemporry artists of the time that the critics percived as "punk rock" at the time. Some references may surprise you (Bob Seger, Grand Funk Railroad, Springsteen, etc.). Some may not (Iggy and the Stooges, early Alice Kooper). But, one thing is certain: the barometer for whether or not they considered a contemporary group artist "punk" was the degree to which that group or artist was percieved to embody the spirit of the mid-60's garage bands.

In the article, "The Shakin' Street Punk Survey," by Metal Mike Saunders (that appeared in the "Shakin Street Gazette" Nov.7, 1974) Sauners speaks of the mid-70's punk movement in New York as a punk "revival" (not as a new thing called punk): "...the punk music revival is now in full swing.". He also talks about the influence of the Nuggets compilation LP on their New York contemporaries."

Over a year and a half earlier, Greg Shaw, in his Rolling Stone review of Nuggets had said:

"Punk Rock at its best is the closest we came in the 60's to the original rockabilly spirit of Rock 'n Roll, ie Punk Rock The Arrogant Underbelly of Sixties Pop..." (Rolling Stone, Jan. 4, 1973).

A few years later, Shaw in review for a live show by the Sex Pistols at the 100 club (Record, June 1976), describes them as "punk rock," but in the context of how they fit into his previous definition of the term, not as a new definition (keep in mind that, at that time, they often did covers of old mid-60's songs, such as "Stepping Stone," by Paul Revere and the Raiders and "Substitute," by The Who). It is not until the Sex Pistols got really big and become a cause celebre all over England (post-Grundy show appearance) that the term "punk" shifted away from its previous definition to designating a new phenominon.

But, the article that goes into the most detail about the early definition for mid 60's garage as "punk," is "White Punks on Coke," by Mick Houghton (Let it Rock, Dec. 1975) He talks extensively about the "resurrection," of punk currently going on (i.e. what we would assume to be the New York Scene--CBGB's, etc.). At great length, he litanizes the various "punk" bands of the 60's: ? & The Mysterions, The Castaways, The Count Five, The Shadows of The Knight, The Barbarians, The Seeds, The Blues magoos, etc. Read it. To Houghton:

"But that challenge [to the British Invasion] was taken up by a plethora of amorphous garage bands which sprang up in the suburbs of American cities. It is among these groups that punk rock began.

Over and over, the rock critics made it absolutely clear that they considered the garage rock to be the original (and touchstone) form of punk rock. Terms such as "protopunk" and "pre-punk" were false revisionisms that came later, after the fame, or rather, infamous notoriety of the Sex Pistols (incidently that very notoriety is one reason why the Ramones became reluctant to use the term "punk" to describe themselves after 1977).

During the during the mid-70's punk entered its modern era: i.e. its most recognizable form (1975-present) in which it became self-referentially defined from within as "punk rock," and became a seperate subculture (a movement) of its own, replete with its own manifestos, ideologies (as pertaining to the movement as a whole or to factions within the movement), and its own visual fashion sensibilities. But punk rock as a musical style pre-dates the subculture that grew around it by well over a decade.

If you have any doubts that punk rock existed before 1975 (or for that matter before 1968), then go to YouTube and pull up "60's punk" (or even try "1966 punk"). You will come up with hundreds of entries--as many as (if not more than) in any other subseqent era.

Then sample the following songs (pre-1968): "7 and 7 Is," by Love (1966), "Voices Green and Purple," by the Bees (1966), "The World Ain't Round, It's Square," by The Savages (1966), "Destination Lonely," by The Huns (1966--original mix/original release), "We're Pretty Quick,' by the Chob (1967), "1523 Blair," by The Outcasts (1966), "I'm Movin' On" and "From a Curbstone," by Evil (1966), "Project Blue," by The Banshees (1966), "Circuit Breaker", by The Pastels (1965), "The Courtsheip of Rapunzel," by The Bruthers (1966), "Rats' Revenge," by The Rats (1963), "Look into Your Mirror," by The Merlynn Tree (1967), "Riot on Sunset Strip," by the Standells (1967), "Bad Girl," byt the Zakary Thaks (1966), "Stop it Baby," by the Heard (1966), "Saturday's Son" and "Baby Show the World," by The Sons of Adam (1966), "Wondering Why," by the Tremors (1966), "Another Day," by The Moguls (1966), "It's a Cryin' Shame," by The Gentlemen (1966) (also listen to rehearsal version), "Things Gettin' Better," by Kenny and the Kasuals (1966), "Cry a Little Longer," by The Grodes (1966), "She's Been Travelin' Round the World," by The Seeds of Time (1966), "I Don't Want to Try It Again" and I'm Gone Slide," by The Dagenites (1965), "Nothin" and "Just in Case You Wonder," by The Ugly Ducklings (1966), "What a Way to Die" and "Never Thought You'd Leave Me," by The Pleasure Seekers (1966), "Hangin' Out," by The Blox (1966), "She Lied," by The Rockin' Ramrods (1964), "40 Miles," by The David (1966), "Jack the Ripper," by The One Way Streets (1966), "I'm Gonna Make You Mine," by The Shadows of the Knight (1966), "It's Gonna Take Awhile," by The Morticans (1966), "Up Down Sue" and "Come on In," by The Luv'd Ones (1966),"Action Woman," by The Litter (1966), "I Love You," by the Worlocks (1966), "She Said Yes," by The Painted Ship (1967), "Wild About You," by The Missing Links (1965), "Open Up Your Mind," The Mod 4 (1966), "Spend Your Life," by First Crow to the Moon (1967), "She could Be My Baby, by The Red Squares (1966), "Look for Another Love," by The Hush Puppies (1966), etc. These are only a few.

Then also listen to the period 1968-1974 (now called "protopunk"--a terribly misleading term): "Search and Destroy," by Iggy & The Stooges (listen to all of their first three albums. Then listen the the vastly underrated band, Death: "Rock & Roll Victim" and "Politicians in My Eyes." All of this pre-dates the Ramones. Once again, I am not denying their punk credentials or genuine greatness--but they were not the first.

So the heading needs to be changed as not to be misleading. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I have now made the necesary change. The addition of the word "modern," makes the heading more factually precise and can no longer be considered misleading. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Band's name starts with "The..." (concerning The Shadows of Knight article)

The name of this band starts with "The..." The proper name for them is "The Shadows of Knight." See pictures of album covers and sleeves, etc. on Googe images. I have made the necessary correction in the heading, and in the text, but I don't know how to correct the article title. Perhaps one of the master editors can help me by correcting the band's name in the title of the article. Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 12:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

See WP:THE. This can be a contentious issue (just look at the/The Beatles talk page archives!!) so it's good to get discussion going first - but the simple answer to the question "How do I rename the article?" is (usually) simply to click the Move tab at the top of the page and change the article title - with an explanation of why you're doing it. In that case, you can't do that because there is a redirect already at The Shadows of Knight, so I've asked for that page to be deleted in order that the article can be moved to that title (it can get confusing!). Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

PS: Now moved. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Language in overview needs to be more objective (in List of Garage and Psychedelic Compilations article)

If I seem to be nit-picking, please don't get me wrong: I commend the writers of this article on so many things. You have done a wonderful job organizing an extensive list of compilations, and I am deeply grateful for that. And, I fully and passionately share your love and enthusiansm for the topic (keep in mind that this statement is coming from someone who has been faulted for being too passionate about this topic and going overboard in some of my other posts--the other editors have had to try to restrain me at times). So, you might find it surprising if I am having to play the role of "objectivity cop" here.

I think we could modify some of the language in the overview, ever-so-slightly, to be more objecive (and more encyclopedic). In the first sentence we could change the word "staggering" to "extensive." The ending sentence, "As good as most of these albums are, the list of inventive names that have been devised for these compilation albums is a treat in itself..." is too opinionated and reads more like a record review. A better way to say the same thing would be: "These albums have been generally regarded as quality examples of their genres, and are also noted for their highly idiosyncratic titles."

So, I think we could make this slight adjustment to an otherwise fine and helpful article. Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:55, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I went in and made these changes, which I think will result in a better article. But, I have done so with great care and repect, to retain the meaning you wished to convey, but in more encycolpedic lanuage. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:15, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk page etiquette

Please be aware of WP:REDACT - you're not really supposed to remove your own comments from article talk pages, though I shouldn't think anyone is going to object in this case. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2012 (UTC) OK, I spoke too soon! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Los Iracundos

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Skrelk (talk) 08:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Garagepunk66/Los Iracundos

Hi Garagepunk66, I've moved the article to your user space, follow the link above. I think it would be possible to re-add it to the main space here on English Wikipedia after you a) translate it b) provide multiple reliable and independent sources confirming that the band is notable. Thanks for your understanding. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 09:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

...and the band seems to be notable in Uruguay, see the news sources for "Los Iracundos". Best. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 09:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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HAL made an error. Oops! Actually, the site mentioned above is a Wikipedia article written by fellow Wikipeidans who just happen to be on the Spanish laguage version of Wiki. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Request for translation expansion on Garage rock article

In interest of expaning and improving the article, I found the Spanish language Wikipeia article on garage rock. It has a lot more information and goes into much more detail. Perhaps we could find someone fluent in Spanish to translate some of it--in the pursuit of expanding, improving, and enriching our own article. The Spanish article gets higher marks of approval in its questionaire than ours, so it might serve us well as a model. Don't get me wrong, their article is not perfect, either, and has one imperfection: It tends to de-emphasize the pre-British invasion (pre-1964) American garage phenominon as not to detract from the emergence of the Latin bands in 1964. But, they do go into more detail about practically everything (including revival--The Chsterfield Kings, etc). Though my Spansih is not good, from a glance, it looks as though they attempt to walk you through the subject and teach you about it (as ours should do). Our article just bleets out a few quick things, but does not really develop the topic in an enriching, edifying, or meaningful way. Ours does have better pictures though (thank you SabreBD, once again for your addition), but let's find a few more. Our article should be second to none!!! [[1]] Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I have attached the Spanish article to this site as recommened on the instuction page for translation expansions. We could rectify the best characteristics of both articles. For instance, ours could keep its "Garage Started in 1963 perspective, but have the necessary expansions. Garagepunk66 (talk) 08:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Correction in Kinks article: "Golden age" section should read 1966-1972--discussion of 1966 should be placed under "Golden age" section--"Breakthrough and touring ban" section should read "1964-1965"

The "Golden age" section of this article should read 1966-1972, not 1967-1972. It was in 1966 with the release of songs such as "I'm Not Like Everybody Else," "Dead End Street," and "Sunny Afternoon," on singles, as well as the release of their first LP masterpiece, "Face to Face"--Face to Face (The Kinks album) (UK rel. Oct. 28, 1966, Pye Records) , that The Kinks entered what is now regarded as their "golden age." This is the common understanding of all followeres and observers of The Kinks. See Jason Gross' website devoted to this topic, The Golden Age of the Kinks (http://www.furious.com/perfect/kinks.html). According to Don Igancio, regarding thier 1966 album, Face to Face: "This album not only marks the Kinks at the beginning of their peak years (from 1966-1972)..." . See also article by Stanley Urbane "Face to Face-Heralding the "Golden Age" of The Kinks," where he says "In 1966...with 4th album, Face To Face, The Kinks took a marked change of direction, and for many, this was the beginning of the "Golden Age" of The Kinks." The Face to Face album is inseperable from the preceding singles (mentioned above) that had been realeased throughout 1966--they are closely tied. They share the same thematic and stylistic preoccupations with the album. In fact, "Sunny Afternoon" was included on the original Face to Face LP, and the other singles' songs are usually included as bonus tracks on CD versions of the album.

Understandably, making this change would necessitate other changes:

• The text discussing The Kinks in 1966 should be taken out of "Breakthrough and and touring ban" section and placed under "Golden age" section.
• The "Breakthrough and touring ban section" should cover the years 1964-1965 (not 1964-1966--as I said, 1966 should be transferred to next section). The US touring ban actually was in effect for a few more years (up through 1968 or 1969), but it was in 1965 that the ban was put into place. So, 1965 would make a better year to end the breakthrough/touring ban section, because after that (1966) the Kinks enter a new phase (a phase that the article mentions was already beginning in late 1965).

And or course 1964-1965 were great years also--the kind that any other band would regard as a golden period. Long live the Kinks!!! Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:30, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I made the necessary changes. Now the article is more precise and factual. The text now reads more impressivley and looks great on the page.Garagepunk66 (talk) 08:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Evil (garage band)

I just edited the Evil page to include the new members with better formatting in the infobox. By formatting the names with a plainlist, you can achieve the list format. Since there are no other bands known as Evil, I moved the page to "Evil (band)." I'll take a look at The Grodes, too. Bonnie13J (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Heading to "That Obscure Object of Desire" article should mention that it was Bunuel's last film

The heading should say that That Obscure Object of Desire was Bunuel's last film. That is a glaring omission and is absolutely necessary to point out at the beginning. Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I have made the necessary change. The heading now mentions that it was his final film. Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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Garage rock article: added mention of Link Wray influence and made minor change in wording

I added (annotated) mention of Link Wray influence to the article. I also changed the wording (in the part about British Invasion influence) from "to adopt a British Invasion lilt," which sounded silly and unencyclopedic, to "adopted a response..." (i.e. to the British Invasion), which not only sounds more appropriate, but is more correct. I added several references to back this up.Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)