Talk:Sonic 3D Blast

Minor region dispute

I'm noticing that an unregistered user insists that the name "Flickies' Island" be used almost exclusively, despite the article title being Sonic 3D Blast. Now, there's a bit of a conundrum here for me: yes, it was developed in Europe, and the name was used in Japan, so I suppose there's that. But then, let's not forget that we're really not supposed to start edit wars over different variants of English or naming as of such, and, well, Sonic Blast was made in Japan, but I don't see it getting named G Sonic.

Personally, I propose using the combined name of the minimized PC version (Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island), so there'd really be no qualm (both subtitles would be used). Thoughts? --Shadow Hog 15:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually seeing this happen across a lot of other articles. At various times, the UK boxart is the one primarily shown for most pages. It's actually kind of annoying, but tolerable. However, the curious insistance that UK information dominate this article is really very puzzling. As with most Wikipedia articles, I think the information for the American version should primarily dominate; start a seperate article for Flickies Island and make it re-direct here. BlazeHedgehog 21:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

In particular, Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis is under almost constant debate; this seems to be merely spillover. I personally have come to the conclusion that there's no "wrong" title, although I do want to point out most internet-based resources (Mobygames, GameFAQs, GameSpot, etc) almost unanimously use American titles. Nifboy 23:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I changed my mind. In this specific instance, the hybrid PC title Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island would be a good region-neutral compromise. Nifboy 23:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I was about to support that title as a neutral compromise, but uhh! So en.WP actually is the usa.WP ... --32X 07:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No, that's normal; it happens to every single Sonic article every goddamn week (see also: Eggman vs. Robotnik). Nifboy 15:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Robotnik is the characters name, Eggman is his nickname. TJ Spyke 17:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment: The recent edit by Nifboy is pretty well, both versions are mentioned on the same level. Now's the best time to do the move. --32X 23:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Moving it to Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island is an incredibly stupid idea, since no one (not even Sega) calls it that. Wouldn't Sonic 3D make more sense, since people tend to call it that anyway? -M. F. Luder 10:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Not that it matters anyway, since our good friend 144.138.x.x ignored this discussion entirely and put it back the way they had it. --Shadow Hog 02:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

move?

the problem

"do NOT keep chaning this without consent. This version reflects the article title."

The good argument. So what about a move to make an end to the edit wars? Here are the options:

• "Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island" - original (and current) name in Britain, Japan, Italy, Germany, France, Australia and New Zealand
• "Sonic 3D Blast" - North American name
• "Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island" - name of the PC port's executable file
• "Sonic 3D" - maybe (?) the most common name

forgot to sign, it was 32X 20:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC), some IP edits followed. --32X 07:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

your thoughts

• ...
• why can't we just have it redirect to one main article? But, what it should be called? Well, I think Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies Island is good. It takes all the names together, and makes it good. Well, thats what I think.

• The article should be at Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island - As per what was agreed at the mega drive article this takes priority as both the most common name (Europe, Australasia, Asia) and the original name (Japan).

If certain Yankee nationalists are more vocal here though then why not just Sonic 3D? A lot of articles about such issues don't mention subtitles. --Josquius 18:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Except "Blast" wasn't just another subtitle; it was part of the game's main title, whereas "Flickies' Island" was the subtitle. I don't think it should be just "Sonic 3D", that's just awfully short and not really descriptive. I think Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island is much better since (1) that's the full title used for the PC version, and (2) if you were to put Flickies' Island on a North American Genesis or Blast on a European Mega Drive, the title screen would change to reflect the region's name, meaning that BOTH Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island and Sonic 3D Blast are the original titles, as no one title came later since the game's ROM is always exactly the same, though I'm unsure if that's the case with the Saturn version. (And by the way, Japan =/= Original in this case...) 208.101.130.232 12:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Which version was released first?

Sources such as GameFAQs insist that the Mega Drive version came out first, but in Sonic Jam's history, it lists all the versions coming out on the same month, with the exception of the European Mega Drive version, which it says was released later. It also lists the Saturn version first, but not the actual day.

"was originally released in Europe for the Sega Mega Drive in November 1996 and released in North America later that month, under the new name 'Sonic 3D Blast'."

I assume / hope this information from the article is true. --32X 14:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sonic 3D Beta

Shouldent be noted here that the Sonic 3D Beta was found?

Such notes about video game betas are often a bit unscientific because in most of the time someone already knew about the beta so the term "was found" isn't the best choice at all. --32X 11:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheat

Why was this removed?

"A cheat can be activated for this game when hitting the back of the Genisis console while the game is at its start menu. If you hit the console with the proper force, it will lead you to a menu, from which you can choose, and play, in any and all of the stages found in game."

I know it may sound like a joke, but oddly enough that is indeed a real cheat. I know because I've accidentally dropped the game before, turned it back on to see if it still worked, and was able to access such a menu. As for being in trivia, where else would it go? I feel it's worth pointing out atleast.

BARACUDA is a cheat but what you noted isn't more than a strange circumstance. I have several consoles from several loctations, among of them is a Mega Drive II which immediately stops running when it was slightly hit. At that machine a too short controller cable can quit any gaming session. --32X 11:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I may be a little late, but I want to confirm (from personal experience) that hitting softly the cartidge on the back DOES bring up a menu that allows level selection and (after that) allows the player to skip the current level by hitting A B and C (at least on the European Mega Drive version). Of course it's not a cheat (since there's no possible practical way that this glitch was intended), but I really think it's worth a mention. --TEO64X 13:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Main series

Why this game isn't in the main series chart? it was the SEGA answer to Super Mario 64--189.129.91.139 17:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that an answer to Super Mario 64. The only things they have in common is both games were released in 1996 and have a 3D-ish perspective. Nothing more. Sonic 3D was developed by a 3rd party for Sega's "old" system while Super Mario 64 was developed by Nintendo as the launch title for their new system. --32X 20:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I think is should be in the main series, along with Knuckles' Chaotix. Believe it or not, it actually does have a place in the mainstream series, however small it may be. 208.101.130.232 12:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Although I'm not sure it is important enough to be considered main series, I definatly believe it is an important part of the storyline. It fits in perfectly just before Sonic Adventure in the storyline. In Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic is said to be on a vacation. In Sonic Adventure, Sonic is implied to be just coming home from a vacation. 66.65.240.77 (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge with main series

I think that it should be in the main series because it is a action adventure and not handheldSonicrules2 13:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules2

Article title

Neither of the above naming discussions resulted in a concensus on the name of the article, they just petered out. So let's get it sorted. Personally I think Flickies' Island has the strongest claim due to being the original and most widespread (EUR, JAP, AUS) name, BUT I am in favour of a neutral title. So there's "Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island" which is a bit unwieldy, or "Sonic 3D". Since most people refer to the game as "Sonic 3D" anyway, I propose a move to that. All in favour/against? Miremare 21:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, moving then. Miremare 06:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Saturn screenshot?

As this game was for the saturn as well as the MegaDrive/Genesis, would it help it provide a screenshot of the Saturn version of the game as well as one for MegaDrive/Genesis, for comparison? (I would myself, but I don't have a Saturn emulator) _~~Neo 2.3 Hylan 10:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Miremare 15:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

"PAL version"

The release date section says "PAL September 30, 1997 (PC)". Is it really accurate to state that a computer release is a PAL version? No one uses PAL televisions for playing computer games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.11.156 (talk) 21:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Gallery

I do not believe the gallery in this article qualifies as fair use. File:Sonic 3d mega drive diamond dust zone.jpg seems reasonable as an informative screenshot on the isometric viewpoint and graphics, but the FURs of the rest of them seem cut-and-pasted and not valid. Any thoughts? Tezero (talk) 00:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree with that. I think only such image should stay in the article.Tintor2 (talk) 15:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Reviews to enter later

• http://wii.ign.com/articles/839/839435p1.html
• http://www.gamespot.com/sonic-3d-blast/reviews/sonic-3d-blast-review-2534101
• http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,295392,00.html
• http://vc.nintendolife.com/reviews/2007/11/sonic_3d_blast_virtual_console

For fixing up the Reception section later on... Sergecross73 msg me 18:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Opinion regarding the article title

It seems nobody has managed to come to a firm conclusion regarding which title this article should be given, so I'd like to throw in a suggestion. From my understanding, decorum dictates that either the game's most popular name, or its name in the region it was first released in, is used as the article title. Since it was released in November '96 in two different regions, let's go with the most popular title. A quick look at the redirects suggests considerably more articles on Wikipedia link to Sonic 3D Blast than any other of the game's names. So, in my opinion, this would be the best choice, if for nothing but convenience. Cipher ^(Talk) 22:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, personally. In addition to what you said, I feel the name Sonic 3D can be confusing in retrospect, as one would think it features polygonal 3D graphics, like featured in systems like the N64, or stereoscopic 3D, like the 3DS, when in reality it is neither... Sergecross73 msg me 22:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

So changing the article name now would be pointless even though the releases have been updated? Magicperson6969 (talk) 07:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, that date is unsourced, so I wouldn't make changes based on that... (Update: An IP has removed that date altogether, and sourced the NA one as the earliest.) Sergecross73 msg me 12:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

Sonic 3D Blast → Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island – Good Lord, this is out of control. Every single reason for Sonic 3D Blast on this page is invalid. We don't use G Sonic because we're supposed to use the names given to releases of the games in English-speaking territories. Some kind of inbetween name or even "Sonic 3D" is wrong, because what's the use in what is essentially a nickname for an article title? Why should I believe the unreliable IGN on this release date when not even GameFAQs uses it and when Sega Retro (a group that actually bothers to look this stuff up) has totally different dates and an actual date for Europe? When was this game actually released, and how do you know? Why do you stop at month, but not day, considering the previous? How could you even argue the nonsense about "confusion over what 3D means" with a reasonable mind, especially by ignoring the far more obvious problem of confusion with Sonic Blast? How could you dare argue that we should "keep" the article at Sonic 3D Blast simply because most of Wikipedia uses that name in links (and why does that mean anything)? Just... how do you people come to these nonsensical conclusions? Here are the actual facts on the case: the name of the game is "Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island". "Sonic 3D Blast" is an alternate name used for release in North America. Whether it has any relation to Sonic Blast is unknown, but they were both released in the same month (rare footage of "same month" actually mattering). There is absolutely no reason we should be using a name that is being argued for with specious and misleading nonsense (and there is absolutely no reason for anyone to assume good faith for such people). Despatche (talk) 18:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see any indication that the current title isn't the common name for the game. Hot Stop talk-contribs 19:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

We can't exactly go with COMMONNAME here. Unless someone can find better dates, "Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island" was the first name of the game in an English speaking territory. Despatche (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - None of that rant above seems to address naming conventions of Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 19:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

No shit it doesn't, you are completely and utterly obsessed with doing me in. Hint: YOU NEED TO FUCKING READ IT ALREADY, BECAUSE IT COVERS FAR MORE THAN YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE NAMING CONVENTIONS'. I am so SICK of having to do this SAME little dance with Sergecross73 and friends, time and time again. Despatche (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2013 (UTC)