User talk:Anna Frodesiak

Notice Availability: I'm online mostly weekdays (China time). If it is an emergency, you may be able to reach me at IRC. My ISP or some other entity occasionally slows down my access to WMF pages. I am less productive or offline during those times. My Commons images: Although I uploaded and owned (most are now PD) almost all of these Hainan images, I would like to acknowledge that there are four of us who take the photos, so I don't deserve all the credit. If you have image or video requests, please let me know. Administrative actions: Please feel free to revert/modify any action without prior notice. Even though I try to monitor all such pages, please notify me if you think it would help me improve. Disclosure: I have an alternate account for use when not at home.

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Recreate Article

Hey the following article Michael Yarmush was deleted sometime ago. Whatever the case was, could I or what would I have to do to recreate it. Hulkster1 (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't deleted as an AfD so you may recreate it if you want. But, I looked at the deleted article. There were no references and I searched google and found nothing good. I'd say it has a tiny chance of survival if recreated. There are far more notable people to write about here:

• Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Related Users

You have blocked urbanshockers page and not that page is related to myne's. That is bad because you must have done that for no reason. And not only that, there is a chance you will get in trouble by disciplinary groups. I am the same person who edit pages. These usernames are Courtney Abigail, Urbanshester69 (NOT urbanshocker), Holaga, Autumn Night and Soto15.

Thank you for reading it. Sodo15 (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, brother! Talk about not getting the point... Viriditas (talk) 02:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, brother indeed. Okay, I believe you about urbanshocker and have unblocked that account. As for you, I'm not sure you understand these two points:

• You are blocked. That means you, personally. You are not allowed to create new accounts to circumvent the block.

• You were using Wikipedia to host content about Denver Craft. If you want to contribute content to Wikipedia, let's talk about that. But, you cannot simply make pages and move them about if it is unrelated to building the encyclopedia.

So, now, what do you think? Please communicate with me at User talk:Courtney Abigail. (Please do not create any more accounts.) I'm nice. Really, ask anyone, I'm very understanding. Just tell me what you want to do. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Meet St. John! (pronounced sinjen),

	You need a dragon citation
	Very docile, only feeds once a month. 8 metres long and very affectionate. Likes Jaffa cakes. Rips trolls to shreds. Likes his tummy tickled, but don't make any sudden moves to his head. He will prove a loving pet and guardian. I hope all is good with you and yours! Irondome (talk) 02:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kindly! All is well. I trust all is well with you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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File mover help

I might need your help moving some files on Commons, but I'm waiting to hear back from the image owner first. Viriditas (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm here when you need me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

The user has not responded and he's been active so I know he saw my message on my talk page. (You can view my comments here) Here's what I have so far:

1. I emptied the category Japanese Heritage Gardens on Commons because it contained erroneously categorized images. The category should be renamed to "Kepaniwai Heritage Gardens" and re-populated (which I can do). Should the category just be deleted or is there a way to rename it? I probably should just recreate the new category.
2. The images that were previously in this category that require renaming are the following:

• File:Japanese_Heritage_Gardens, Iao Valley.jpg - File:Korean Gardens, Kepaniwai Heritage Gardens.jpg This image is of a Korean garden, not a Japanese garden.
• File:Japanese Heritage Gardens, Pavilion, Iao Valley.jpg - File:Korean Gardens 2, Kepaniwai Heritage Gardens.jpg This image is of a Korean garden, not a Japanese garden.
• File:Japanese Heritage Gardens, Bridge, Iao Valley.jpg - File:Japanese Gardens, Kepaniwai Heritage Gardens.jpg

I will notify the user of this discussion on his talk page. Viriditas (talk) 03:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

All done. You can add whatever parent cats you wish to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kepaniwai_Heritage_Gardens

Check the cats at the three images.

I speedy tagged the obsolete cat with {{speedy|new cat (Kepaniwai Heritage Gardens) created to replace this one}} . I don't know how to move cats. I just make a new one and speedy the old one. No complaints so far and I've done it many times.

If I got this wrong, let me know and I will fix it. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks good. I'll start adding some more files. Viriditas (talk) 04:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

	The Forest Floor Desert
	You deserve an edible desert that looks like the floor of a forest. From 41 Degrees in Barcelona.[1] Enjoy! Viriditas (talk) 10:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I have no idea what you mean. Is this about my CPU that's on fire? I'm sorry I was a bit harsh with that IP. I thought he called someone a lizard man in an edit, but that was long ago. Don't ask. :) I was distracted by someone here trying to show me something about mixing eggs. Don't ask. :) Are you in Spain??? I love Spain!!! I almost moved there! I could totally live in Barcelona! Anyway, sorry to be so pixilated today. It's been a blizzard of offwiki stuff. I need to sit in the forest and have tea away from all the hubbub. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I think you were right to be harsh with the IP. He's playing games (see comments in the next thread below). BTW, speaking of tea, I have it on good authority that Kenya has fantastic tea. I've never tried, though. Viriditas (talk) 11:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Kenya tea, eh? Never had it. It sounds nice. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

89.106.14.236 / Tervealbeeps

It was fun for a while, but it's grown stale with his latest attempt at social engineering my email address.[2] He's been posting from an open proxy the whole time. Time to block the little guy? Viriditas (talk) 10:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not clear what that link means. Any more IPs or accounts, or activity on the known ones please let me know. A block could enflame things. Often, these things just pass. Maybe we should just wait and see. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

See also: Wikipedia:Open proxies. I'll leave this in your hands. He may or may not be abusing Wikipedia. Time will tell. As for what the link means, that's only the Wikipedia side of things. He sent me multiple emails with no message, only a request that I reply so he could harvest my email address for whatever reason. A bit suspicious if you ask me. Viriditas (talk) 11:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Without knowing about 89.106.14.236 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), I had already indeffed User:Tervealbeeps. I've now blocked the open proxy for one year. It had been blocked before for six months, which recently expired.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been watching. I was just about to indef for the exact same reasons that you did. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Good to know, and you're nicer than I am, too. --Bbb23 (talk) 05:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Nicer? I'm all about the iron fist these days. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Iron palm? Viriditas (talk) 03:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks painful. That reminds me to start Iron palm (laundry worker accident). Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Sentence Help

I am working on a radio station article (when am I not? :)) and I having trouble with making this one sentence sound right. Here's what I have so far, feel free to change them as you see fit (and I'm hoping to take the article to GA).

• On Sunday Mornings, church services from St. Mary Roman Catholic Church and Spruce Street United Methodist Church, located in Star City and Morgantown respectively, are aired live.

• On Sunday mornings, WCLG broadcasts two live local church services. Beginning first, with the 8:30am Liturgy from the St. Mary Roman Catholic Church, located in Star City, West Virginia. Then the 10:45am Worship from the Spruce Street United Methodist Church, located in Morgantown.

Both have their problems, but it's the best I can do. Help? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Every Sunday morning, WCLG broadcasts live the services at Star City's St. Mary Roman Catholic Church at 8:30am and Morgantown's Spruce Street United Methodist Church at 10:45am.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I like, thanks! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good! I'm afraid I have no suggestions. I've been out of Canada so long that I can't form even sentences any more. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

ThatCoolGuyOfer

I enjoy how fast you respond again i would like my page unblocked. 05:25, 22 November 2013‎ Thatcoolguyofer

Your page was not blocked. It was deleted. It was your biography and not notable. It is not suitable as an encyclopedia article. Sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you delete my page! Put it back! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishlover2 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was unfit to be an article. Here it is. Please don't make it into an article again:

Fish list Okay, so mabey you would like to know about different fish prices. I can tell you some of them. This is only at P.A.W. Betta: 3.00 Danio:.58 (WOW) Neon tetra: 1.30 Sword tail: 4.00 Glass catfish: 4.00 Mystery snail: 1.30 Japonica shrimp: 2.30 Ghost shrimp: .50 Goldfish: 1.00 Thank you for reading this!

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Blocking

Kira Trunna put me in trouble for 4 days in Sacramento. One day, I will get consequences again for 45 days. Do not tell anyone. Because of this, I saw a message saying "You have been notified a school consequence" and "You have been blocked for any edits". I just called and it didn't help. One day, you will get in trouble for 50 days which is not me who picks the day, although someone will. I just came out. The blockage for the school comment happened with my friends before. It happens on the denver craft game wiki. Do not block any of my pages ever again. Because I lost access to everything.

23.243.80.13 (talk) 19:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I do know you are User:Courtney Abigail. I've figured that part out.

If you use Wikipedia to host your pages, I will delete the pages and block your account immediately every time. That won't change. This is an encyclopedia. It is not a web hosting service for you to make pages about Denver Craft.

Instructions for you (read carefully):

Please find another place to host your pages. Try http://www.wikia.com/Wikia or somewhere. Maybe you can start your Denver Craft thing there. Good luck in all your future endeavours. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Leisure society

What do you think of this puzzle? There's a concept called a leisure society, a utopian idea that was written about in hundreds of articles, papers, and books in the 1960s and 1970s.[3] I suppose you could say that they wrote about it back then in the same way we write about a post-scarcity society and transhumanism today. In any case, having had the article on my list of things to do for some time, I went to go and have a look at it to see how it was doing. Imagine my surprise to find that someone had redirected this highly notable concept to a band that formed in 2009 called The Leisure Society. The band is, of course, named after the notable concept, a concept that now has no article. We've seen this kind of thing over and over on Wikipedia. A notable, but older concept that predates the birthdate of most editors and has hundreds of sources but little content gets moved out of the way for a person, place, or thing in popular culture that is named after the concept. What do you make of this kind of "recentism"? To make matters worse, an editor named Dylanfromthenorth (talk · contribs) prodded the article in 2011, which admittedly was a stub, but left an entirely fictitious deletion rationale as a justification for his prod.[4] I commented just now on his talk page.[5] In any case, a few hours after the prod, another editor came around and redirected the stub to the band.[6] Meanwhile, we continue to have a missing encyclopedic topic, and a redirect to a band named after the concept. I'm beginning to see this kind of thing more and more. Notable, historical concepts get pushed aside for references to popular culture because nobody can be bothered to do the hard work researching and writing about the topic. What's the solution to this kind of problem? I previously brought this kind of thing up with the disambiguation project and they told me in no uncertain terms to go take a long walk off a short pier. Any ideas? Pretty soon, every serious topic is going to redirect to "Brawndo". (It's got electrolytes!) Viriditas (talk) 10:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello Anna and Viriditas, hope you don't mind my commenting. I concur, this sort of thing happens frequently, and it isn't just recentism. Take for example Antigonish, which redirects to the "city" in Nova Scotia. I initiated a move discussion (per a longstanding MOS standard for Canadian cities and towns) that Antigonish, Nova Scotia be moved over the redirect. It was deemed in the discussion that Antigonish (poem) was more of a primary topic than the town it was named after (in which case the DAB page should be at the un-disambiguted title, but that hasn't happened.) That is just my anecdotal evidence however. There is of course the following:

• It is easier to write about a band than a conceptual society (I don't think anyone would disagree with that), and this the articles are easier to make larger.
• The PRODed article had a reference but it wasn't standardly formatted (and didn't look much like a reference).
• The articles have unique names (i.e. The Leasure Society is all capitalized, and is prefixed with "the").
• People (Wikipedians especially) are always apt to take the path of least resistance (i.e. redirecting an article over formatting a reference).

I personally see no issue with just reverting the redirect and putting hat notes on both articles (as there is no naming conflict), and tweaking the reference to make it look a little better. If you do want to improve the article on the hypothetical society you can of course do it within the article, or within userspace and request a delte-move-history merge (I am sure Anna, or even myself, would be happy to help with the delete/history merging). The convenient thing about having an article redirected rather than deleted is the history is still intact and anyone can view/use the old information as required to rebuild the article if they so choose. I guess in short, yes I agree with you Viriditas. Cheers, --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I share Viriditas' concern. However, the original holder of a name isn't necessarily the most notable - I think we have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Consider Boston or Newark... bobrayner (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll assume good faith on the PROD, but the redirect was inappropriate. It's hard to say which is the primary, but I'd lean toward the utopian idea.

If the utopian idea meets GNG, then it can stand even without sources so long as it's verifiable if challenged.

So, there are three choice I see:

1) Restore the stub and hat the band article with "Leisure society redirects here, for the utopian concept, see Leisure society"

2) Restore the stub and make it the primary with a hat to the band.

3) Restore the stub, move it to something like Leisure society (concept), and turn Leisure society into into a dab page. Does the pesky "The" in The Leisure Society prohibit that?

As for this issue in general, like bob says, case-by-case. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely case by case, and naturally the first named isn't always the most notable. I would avoid DABing Leisure society for two reasons, first there is a speedy criterion for a DAB page that disambiguate two pages (although there is a caveat of there being a clearly primary topic). Second, the two names are distinct enough (capitalization and "the") to not need a page. I would redirect Leisure Society (capitalized and no "the") to the concept. But that's just me, I have been known to make mistakes. I did sleep in once. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Which speedy criterion? WP:CSD#G6? I see "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, but neither one is the primary topic, then it is appropriate to have a disambiguation page at the base name." I know of no guideline saying only two items isn't allowed at dab pages. I've even made a few:

• Booker Wright
• Scanimation
• Clown goby
• Holiday Beach
• Striped headstander

I agree with you about the "The". Technically, these are two different names, so two distinct articles could exist with Leisure society having a hat to the band. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually Template:Db-disambig says the page must end in (disambiguation) , that's my mistake, as there has to be a primary topic. But again in this case the names are significantly different enough, so a DAB page isn't needed, not that it would be forbidden. kelapstick^{(on the run)} 11:25, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

So, where does that leave us. I guess the best plan would be for someone to expand it to at least a couple of paragraphs. That way, nobody would dare redirect it. But who? I can't because of my functional illiteracy, low IQ, and sheer laziness. Of course, there's Viriditas. :) Hmmmmm, let's see, great with words, high IQ, unlimited energy.....and, oh, yeah, he brought this up in the first place. :) Thoughts? Oh! And I could take a photo of some people doing absolutely nothing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd just have to take a selfie, my last four months have been a leisure society. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 00:01, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

That would be impossible. Nobody can take a pic of themselves while doing nothing. :) Although, about one second after the shot, you could return to doing nothing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:09, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

"OK glass, take a picture". Heh. Thanks to you both for your help. I see that Tony Veal over at the University of Technology, Sydney has put together a comprehensive working paper on the subject of a "leisure society".[7] The paper covers all research from 1890-2009. Whew, it might take me a while to put something together, but at least I know where to start. Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Demographia

Saw your concerns on Jl2047a talk page. It's actually quite a used source on the site. We also have an article, List of urban areas by population, that uses data from Demographia. The author of the site is also published. While this may personal preference, the data from this site is much more reliable than sources such as the UN's World Urbanization Prospects. Elockid ^(Talk) 16:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Elockid. I appreciate your comments. Holy moly. I had no idea it was used so widely. I also have no idea why it has never been mentioned at RS noticeboard.

Just to let you know, I did consult at the admin's IRC channel before acting. I really wanted to make the right decision. Some of the considerations:

• The site is run by http://www.demographia.com/ and http://www.publicpurpose.com/. The latter has a serious agenda, as does Cox himself. That, plus the general appearance of the site, and the absence of any sources for their data (as far as I could see), made me question the reliability.

• Another admin asked him to stop and he continued without comment.

• Ill formatting: To an article which had "population_metro =3,400,000 (2012)", he added formatting like "population_urban =2486000 (March '13)"

• The edits were to very major articles that get a lot of edits. I didn't want 247 questionable edits to get buried and watch hundreds more articles be affected. It would have been a lot of work to remove even a day later.

I will immediately post at RS Noticeboard and see what the community thinks. I'm also curious what you think of the site. Sure, it's widely used, but I'm not sure that gives it credibility. I will start digging into those other edits to see if there were other mass-additions. Very best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

For metropolitan areas/urban areas/agglomerations, etc. there's really only two categories I put for them. One that uses solely UN figures and another that uses other methods. The UN based sources tend to have no statistical concept of comparison. Basically it's just comparing apples to oranges. If you look around city forums, there's usually a routine debate of how if London used the same definitions as the US census bureau, the population would be X million. The inconsistent definitions used by sources like UN often cause disputes. The reason I believe what makes the Demographia source more reliable is that they have a criteria for their data and explain the methodology. To ensure consistency, the figures are based off the same criteria. Not only that, it's much consistent with official sources. For example, Seoul's official metropolitan estimate is listed at over 25 million compared to Demographia's 22 million and the UN's figure of less than 10 million. The number for Demographia is much closer. There's also issues like this where sources that use solely the UN have a grossly underestimated figure while the official/semi-official sources have a figure more similar to Demographia. Cities like Moscow, Jakarta, and London are a few examples. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm, interesting. Now I don't know what to think. Would you please paste what you've just written at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#demographia.com? I think others would like to know your views. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Posted. Elockid ^(Talk) 04:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Why did you delete fish list? It did have meaning! Fishlover2 (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Fils (not the Jordanian coin)

Anything posting about that character will be a sock - I'm blocking on sight. It was established at an AfD that quite a large part appeared to be made up or at best unprovable. A dead giveaway is the element of gender confusion, which would be normal in things translated from Japanese and languages where the pronouns and possessives agree with gender assigned nouns, but isn't in English. (An example being the six foot six black-bearded and heavily muscled sentry being 'elle' in French because 'sentinelle' is for some strange reason feminine.) No sign of this stuff being translated. Peridon (talk) 10:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I actually did a search right after I saw activity at the spi. As far as I've seen, he uses the Fils and other part of the term together each time. I'll put it back on my PC notepad for regular searches. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:59, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Happy Hanukkah!

Happy holiday to you and yours. Everything fried and sweet is good for this holiday. A cardiologists' paradise is this festival :) From Irondome (talk) 08:09, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Re:Spaces around punctuation

This is the first time I am hearing this,spaces around punctuation.Buy any book published in the subcontinent and you will never find it.I cant say about other countries but for India,we are never taught this.Whats the use of doing these?A punctuation mark itself has its own significane.I have never seen spaces around punctuations used in our country.It might be the same reason we pronounce english with a/o accent - because in our mother tongues we use a/o accents so like that in our scripts we never put spaces around punctuations and is not practised.RRD13 (talk) 13:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I actually prefer to keep discussions in one place. At the top of my talk it says "If I started a thread on your talk page, I am watching. Please reply there." I hope you don't mind, but I will paste your reply back at your talk and reply there. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Signature

Was wondering whether having the old signature (but linking to the new username) would not violate the signature policy. My old name resembles the actual username sufficiently in my opinion, but still good to ask. --HTMLCoder.exe / talk / stalk 08:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)